Are you conservative or liberal???

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Conservatism - from the foregoing we find that this term conveys the following:
1. A free market and the personal acquisition of property by individuals

2. Individual freedoms and property rights are representative of attendant moral, religious, political, and civil right

3. In accordance with the Constitution, the federal government is limited to acting in those areas wherein the states themselves do not have that ability, in inter-state matters and in foreign relations

4. There is great importance placed on separation of powers, judicial review, and states' rights as opposed to federal power

Simplified Definition:

An ideal conservative believes in the importance of the individual person, including the fetus, and the family structure and that it is the responsibility for the individuals within each family to do as much as they can for themselves before asking for assistance. When assistance is needed the progressive route taken is community, city, county, state and federal, in that order, with the federal government the avenue of last resort. A conservative believes in the least government possible.

Liberalism – from the foregoing we find that this term conveys the following:

1. Government should correct economic deficiencies caused by an unregulated free market economy

2. Government should provide social welfare

3. It is right for government to impose progressive income taxation

4. Government should impose a minimum wage

5. The social security system should remain a system where those working support those who are receiving social security payments

6. Government should support only public education forcibly paid for by taxpayers even though some object to some of the subject matter and the manner in which it is taught

7. Government should impose stringent safety and health regulations

8. Government should impose stringent consumer protection and environmental preservation laws

Simplified definition:

An ideal liberal takes the completely opposite position to an ideal conservative vying for a socialistic form of government working from the top down wherein the freedom of the individual is compromised for the supposed good of the collective group.

Please note that these definitions do not include side issues such as abortion, gun control, immigration, campaign reform etc. Conservatives and liberals may have similar positions without compromising their principles.

In summation, the fundamental difference between a liberal and conservative is whether an individual is allowed the freedom, with attendant responsibility, to function in society – or – whether an individual’s interests are subservient to the collective interest of the members of society. One must either be one or the other because once the collective interest takes precedence an individual’s freedom is compromised, then it just becomes a matter of degree as to the extent. A liberal who compromises his principles may consider himself a moderate liberal but is still a liberal. It is impossible for a conservative to be a moderate conservative because any compromise involves usurping individual freedom and attendant personal responsibility and this would automatically make him a liberal.
Now, are you liberal or conservative?
 

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How 'bout yourself? Conservative or liberal.

Also what was this excerpted from? In what context was it written? I see some sort of slant toward the favoring of conservatism.

(Edited by karstic at 12:46 pm on Mar. 25, 2002)
 

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Conservative. I got this off of an email. What text that it was written in I have no idea but I also noticed a slant towards the conservative side myself.
 

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I just read it twice and I still don't know what the hell I just read . Or why. Being an American Independent I can think any way I please without being influenced by others of my party.
 

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American Independent since the tender age of 17 (I'm looking at 41 now).  Unsure where the quote came from but it's been said, "Liberals just want to pass laws.  Conservatives just want to stop Liberals."
 

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I went to the deomocratic convention durning the Clinton addmin. At the first of the convention, the speaker asked if there were any Republican in the house. I looked around and didn't see any hands. I raised mine, and the speaker asked me, "What makes you a Republican ?". I told him that "my dad is a Republican". He then asked, "What made your dad a Republican?" I replied to him that, " my grandfather was a Republican". He then asked me, "What if your grand dad would have been a horse theif, what would that make you?" I REPLED  " A democrat"
   
   I am very Conservative!!!!!!!!
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Independent!! there are enough A$$holes in both partys. Hate having someone tell me who I have to support!
 

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Conservative here.  Not to say Republican, they're a little too centrist for me.  I have a hard time telling the difference between Dems and Reps any more.  No wonder I have no friends.

Is that sarcasm or cynicism?  Oh well, the dog still likes me.
 

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Being conservative/liberal doesn't necessarily reflect what political party you belong to, rather what you feel what kind of role government should play. Depending on what issue you ask me about, I could be conservative or liberal. For example, I feel property owners have a right to develop their land, but I feel they have a responsibility to develop their land in a way that minimizes the effect on the natural environment.

Another example, people should be responsible for their own economic fortune. They should take it upon themselves to get educated, find gainfull employment, and not extend themselves beyond their means to avoid financial hardship. But, I still give to charities to help those people in financial hardships. I feel that I am well off enough to help those in need.

Like I said it depends on the issue. I believe in the rights granted to me in the Constitution. With those rights come reponsibilities, basically to accept the consequences of your actions and not to blame your problems on someone else. I feel the citizenry of this nation has moved away from being responsible, self-reliant and independent of the government and has moved toward relying on the government for their well-being and always looking for someone other than themselves to be responsible for the hardships in their lives.
 

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Very well put Karstic. I believe this country would be much better off if more people took responsibility for their own actions rather than passing the buck.
 

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Now for the short answer.
What's a conservative?
A liberal after they have been mugged.


alanscott
 

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I consider myself right of center. If some people think they are a liberal then your in the same boat as Marxist errr.. I mean Maxsine Waters.
 

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I am a proud member of the "vast right wing conspiracy".
 

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In the words of the good old congresswoman Bobbi Fiedler, "When I learned to read I became a Democrat, when I learned to count I became a Republican."

Actually, democrats and republicans are both too liberal.  I'm a conservative libertarian.

Regards,
Paul
 

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In the statement as stated above I must say I am Conservative. I think the gov should have less control. There are toooo many laws now. We have actually lost freedom of speech in this country and it saddens me. If you are not P.C. you don't have freedom of speech because you might offend someone.

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Let me just say that Rush Limbaugh is too liberal for me...
 

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  Good discription Songdog.
I would say I'm somewhere around Rush.

                      EVAN III
 

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I've bee staying out of this thread, but there are some days (4 or 5 a week) that Michel Savage is to liberal for me....:muha:.

Kernhuntr
 

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