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Ok gang, somebody check me.

Load 30-06 with 165 gr TSX, 56.7 gr of IMR 4350. OAL 3.218".

The bullets sure are long and there's no rattle of powder in the case.

I checked it a against a factory load, it's 3.210 OAL, no powder rattle there either.

Just loaded a few rounds and wanted a reality check, it's been 13 years since I made my own.
 



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My Sierra manual for a 165 gr. lists 56.0 grains as maximum. The information I have is that you can load up to the top end with the TSX's as the bearing surface is reduced due to the relief cuts in the bullet. I would drop the powder down at least a grain to start. They also like a significant jump into the bore; .050" would be about right to start. What primer are you using? If it's a magnum primer, I'd definitely back it down one or two grains.
 

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My Lyman manual has 165 gr Nosler Partitions at 57.0 gr of 4350 as the the accuracy load. I'm using Winchester standard lg rifle primers. I just got some 165 gr TSX bullets the other day. Haven't done any loading yet. But with the Nos Part, it seems like a compressed load. Let me know how they do. That rifle of yours should be heavy enough to handle it. LOL j/k
 

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Thanks guys. My speers and hornady manuals say diffrent things. Barnes hasn't sent the load data for 4350 yet, and I don't have their manual. These things are expensive bullets and I really don't want to guess.

And they're really, really long. I don't like that I can't hear powder rattling.

PBR,

Yeah, the old rifle outta handle it, but if I blew it up, there'd be no replacement. A mint 03-A3 is impossible to find at any price.
 

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From the Barnes Reloading Manual #3:

30-06 Springfield

165 grn. (XFB, XBT, and Solid)

IMR 4350 | min 53.0 | max 57.0
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bpnclark @ Jun 30 2008, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
From the Barnes Reloading Manual #3:

30-06 Springfield

165 grn. (XFB, XBT, and Solid)

IMR 4350 | min 53.0 | max 57.0[/b]
Thanks, just orderd the #4 manual myself. That gives me around 2800 FPS? I guessing the solid is the TSX?
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ltdann @ Jun 30 2008, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bpnclark @ Jun 30 2008, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From the Barnes Reloading Manual #3:

30-06 Springfield

165 grn. (XFB, XBT, and Solid)

IMR 4350 | min 53.0 | max 57.0[/b]
Thanks, just orderd the #4 manual myself. That gives me around 2800 FPS? I guessing the solid is the TSX?
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No it’s their solid bullet. They didn't have the TSX when the #3 book came out. But Barnes, Nolser and almost everyone else groups all their bullets (with the same weight) together. Barnes only uses different load info on their coated bullets. This info will probably be the same in the #4 book. According to Barnes max should give you 2895 fps.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bpnclark @ Jun 30 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ltdann @ Jun 30 2008, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bpnclark @ Jun 30 2008, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From the Barnes Reloading Manual #3:

30-06 Springfield

165 grn. (XFB, XBT, and Solid)

IMR 4350 | min 53.0 | max 57.0[/b]
Thanks, just orderd the #4 manual myself. That gives me around 2800 FPS? I guessing the solid is the TSX?
[/b][/quote]

No it’s their solid bullet. They didn't have the TSX when the #3 book came out. But Barnes, Nolser and almost everyone else groups all their bullets (with the same weight) together. Barnes only uses different load info on their coated bullets. This info will probably be the same in the #4 book. According to Barnes max should give you 2895 fps.


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Roger ball,

I'll take my 56.7's to the range this weekend and see how they do. I'll probably load some down as well. Thanks for help!

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One thing I've noticed with the Barnes manual - those cowboys like to run 'em waaaaay hot with lots of powders. Too hot for many reloader's liking.

Lt. - it doesn't sound like you're doing any load development: starting low and working up, ususally a 1/2 grain at a time. You also seem to not know what your distance to lands. With TSX's - you'll definately find a sweet spot with the D to L, also as you get to the maximum powder load. The TSX likes maximum loads, but you gotta find it. All rifles are different.

For a point of reference, I load my 168's with 58 grs. of IMR 4350, and it ain't hot, but it's top end, and groups got tight right there. But I did work 'em up.
 

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The OAL I was able to get from the Barnes website. I just found my stoney point gage last night so I'll be able to measure distance to lands and back off .05.

I'm being cautious. My Barnes manual hasn't arrived yet and its a long weekend coming up, great time for the range. My Speer and Hornady manual say different things for the 4350 and the TSX's are SOOO much longer.

I've reloaded a total of 10 rounds at 56.7 and fired none. I will load above and below that, how much further down and up is the question. This things are pricey.

I just didn't want to go over the max. I DO want to stay near 2800 fps.

So what I'm hearing from all is 53 gr is the minimum and the max is 57 or 58?
 

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Some of that is going to depend on the case and the primer. Don't overlook the use of the correct primer when building a book load. As to a compressed load, I wouldn't let that bother me in the least. It just means the powder can't move around in the case and cause variations in velocity. Check your load against the primers!!!!
 

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This just in from the kind folks at Barnes.

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410,

I'm using CCI primers, regular large rifle, non-magnum. I loaded a spread from 55 to 56.7, at 1/2 gr increments. I don't think I'll hurt the 03-A3. It'll give me something to work from.

Rancho,

Dude- You like 'em hot!

Thanks gang. As always, appreciate the help.
 

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I'll take accuracy over velocity any day. Sounds like you are doing everything right, even before the sanity check.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ltdann @ Jun 30 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Rancho,

Dude- You like 'em hot![/b]
Wimmen's - you bet... Hot and red hair.

As for the 58 grs of IMR in my '06 load, it's chrony'd at 2895 with a 24" barrel, and it isn't showing any pressure at all. The brass will probably last a life time. 59 grains starts to get toasty, but with the accuracy I'm getting at 58 grs with two different bullets, no need top wring out the extra 50 fps or so.
 

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My


The bullet manufactures never give their true “max” loads. They can’t afford to get sued by someone shooting an old gun on a hot day. Usually you can go 2-3 grains more (but I’m not saying that’s a good thing or to do it!). I’m just saying that max loads from the bullet manufactures are pretty safe with a newer gun and newer brass.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (myfriendis410 @ Jun 30 2008, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'll take accuracy over velocity any day. Sounds like you are doing everything right, even before the sanity check.[/b]

For the most part, I agree. My Nikon scope has a BDC that's calibrated for 2800 fps +/- some. What I'm hoping for, is good accuracy and distance across -2700-2800 fps of velocity. With the spread in powder loads, I should be able to come up with a good round.

I've haven't been able to put 20 rds inside a quarter in 15 years, so I'd be happy with a 2" spread at 100 and a little more at 200.

I'll let you guys know.
 

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55.7 gr of IMR 4350 gives me a 1 1/16 spread at 100yds with the Barnse 165 TSX, at about 2755 fps. Getting closer
 

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When reloading the TSX should give you groups with in a dime. I have this in my 06 with 168gr. XLC, and my 270 in 140gr. TSX, 270 wmag 140gr. TSX.

If you call them or look at the web they will say the TSX can go 1-2 grains above listed max loads (I did not go that high, I'm at max load listed or a little under). If you get tech services on the phone they will give up more info for you to work with.

Good luck!!!!
 

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Ok folks,

I''ve been at this for a while now and no closer to getting groups that are better than the factory ammo.

I'm using the 165 TSX, IMR 4350, regular primers. All the cases are same and are trimmed to the same length, the OAL is at the specs barnes gave me. I've gone from 55.0 grains thru to 57.5.

It's all over the place. Any ideas?
 

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Switch to decaf. LOL j/k I haven't loaded any yet. Gotta do that before the end of next month. I emailed Barnes and got this back.

.30-06 Springfield
Bullet Weight: 165 gr Case Trim Length: 2.484" S.D. 0.248
Bullet Style: TSX BT Primer: Federal 210 B.C. 0.380
COAL: 3.218" Barrel Length: 24"
Case: Winchester Twist Rate: 1:10"

Bullet Weight: 165 gr Case Trim Length: 2.484" S.D. 0.248
Bullet Style: MRX BT Primer: Federal 210 B.C. 0.439
COAL: 3.205" Barrel Length: 24"
Case: Winchester Twist Rate: 1:10"
Bullet Weight: 165 gr Case Trim Length: 2.005" S.D. 0.248
Bullet Style: Banded Solid Spitzer Primer: Federal 210 B.C. 0.438
COAL: 3.225" Barrel Length: 24"
Case: Winchester Twist Rate: 1:12"
Bullet Weight: 168 gr Case Trim Length: 2.484" S.D. 0.253
Bullet Style: TSX BT Primer: Federal 210 B.C. 0.404
COAL: 3.218" Barrel Length: 24"
Case: Winchester Twist Rate: 1:10"

Minimum Maximum
Charge Velocity Charge Velocity Load
Powder (grains) (fps) (grains) (fps) Density (%)
BL-C(2) 45.5 2581 50.5 2809 81
IMR 4895 46.0 2588 49.5 2754 90
IMR 4064 46.5 2594 50.0 2801 95
*AA 2520 47.5 2613 53.0 2851 86
IMR 4320 47.0 2561 50.0 2708 89
Big Game 50.5 2648 55.5 2869 98
Win 760 50.0 2616 54.5 2804 90
H414 51.0 2655 55.0 2818 91

IMR 4350 53.0 2627 57.5 2845 106
H4350 52.0 2651 55.5 2825 97
RL 19 55.5 2644 60.0 2859 108
 


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