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Without a doubt the majority of lost opportunities come from the delay in target "lock on" time. Way too many guys are obvious bench shooters when they come hunting. You can tell who they are pretty quick because when it's time to shoot they need to settle in and prepare for the 80 yard shot as if it were from the bench at 300 plus yards.

The comments about their rifle and skills making them capable of sub 1MOA groups at extreme range is of no use when you cannot make an improvised rest shot under 150 yards , or a free hand shot out to 75! We don't use a bench rest for hunting.

After a few days of no shooting or lost opportunities the pressure begins to build and the poor fellow starts shooting with poor quality hurried shots and we then spend the days tracking wounded game. By this time we are half way through a safari and have had no shooting, poor shooting, and possibly lost game which has made the pressure and sadness for the hunter even greater.

The very simple solution to this in any hunting I have experience with is to buy equipment and prepare yourself for the majority of situations not the extreme. By this I mean, the distance you shoot game most of the time. Lets face it, almost anyplace in the whole world and for most species you will be shooting well under 300 yards. Truth be told most would be under 200 yards. Sure there are extreme locations and species with longer range conditions but those are the very small minority of hunting trips.

Why then do so many folks prepare for the 400 plus yard shot and buy guns and scopes for this purpose? Why are so many hunters today focused on the outer limits of hunting reality? Why do so many prepare the loads guns and equipment so strongly for the 1 in a 1000 chance they will actually have this shot come up? The shots under 200 yards should be "point and shoot" with no thought needed to cleanly harvest the animal. These should be a given with no stress, risk, or effort. It should be a simple effortless shot.

However when you have your "lightning spewing" long range rifle with hyper velocity projectiles sighted in 4-5" high at 100 yards so you can reach out to 500 without unreasonable holdover, you end up with a high point in the trajectory of about 6-7" at 225 yards. Combine this with the uncomfortable freehand shooting because the rifle is heavy, they are not a frequent enough freehand shooter, and they have "freehand wobble" with the 5-6" rise in trajectory. This makes for horrible shot placement at closer range where the shot given should have been a no brainer. Adding another common problem with these typical hunters is a 50mm scope bell. Which will have the required high mounts. Used with a low factory stock causing difficult eye allignment and eye relief to get a quick scope picture. With the magnification set to 10 power (or more) for the animal at 80 yards which can no way be located quickley in the scope. Not to mention the AO is set wrong on the bell of the scope and it's also out of focus! Add to this a bit of flinching because of the mandatory "magnum cartridge" and what have you got? Lots of tracking time in the bush looking for wounded game.

Would it be better to have a light rifle, with moderate recoil, easy to hold and shoot freehand? Zeroed for say 200 yards or even 250 with a 2-3" high point in the trajectory and a 5" drop at 300 yards? This is a point and shoot setup. Add a fixed 4X, 6X , 2.5-8 scope or a 3-9 scope with a 40mm bell in the lowest rings possible. This allows a tightly planted cheek to stock fit with easy eye allignment. Combine with plenty of freehand practice and you have a winning setup for REAL hunting!

Try this. With rifle safe (unloaded) hold it in your hands and close your eyes. Raise the rifle and hold it to your face just as if you are going to shoot. Open your eye and see if you can look through the scope. Can you see the crosshairs perfectly clear? If not, the stock and scope mounts you have do not fit you properly. Your face should naturally fit to the stock so your eyes allign with the eye relief, and scope height. A little shuffle of the adjustment is fine but if you're not getting a bright clear view through the scope it's not correct for freehand shooting or "real hunting conditions".

If this little test does not work for you, what you have is a great bench rifle with a no limit sight time. Hey I don't claim to know everything about this stuff but I have been fortunate enough to see 1000's of animals hunted by folks with the best and worst equipment in the world. I have gained a lot from my 20 plus years of Professional Hunting in Alaska the PNW and Africa. I freely share that info on the wonderful sights provided like this one. If folks have a specific application and they don't buy into my opinions that's fine with me. I have no arguement with them and won't debate it. I have had a very high resolution of experiences with 100's of hunters. This is how my opinions were formed.

I firmly, and very strongly believe that the majority of hunters today prepare for the extreme rather then the majority. It's the number one reason for failure when hunting. All of the nit picking seating depths and special twists, enormous scopes and heavy fluted barrels are a joke in real hunting. If I have a guy who can shoot a 3" group at 100 yards and gets on target as quick as I point it out, we will whack a lot of game from Alaska to Africa. The folks with the fancy sub MOA target rifles will be fidgeting and screwing with rangefinders, elevation turrets etc and blowing the short shots watching the game wander off on the long ones.

There have been a few folks who have really figured out the "right stuff" with long range capable shooting. They are the very small minority of hunters. Those few who have built the "right stuff" usually practice the right way. The problem is way to many read the articles about the 500 yard shooters and buy the same stuff or what they think is the right stuff. They forget the custom fitted stock or think it's a waste of money. Then don't practice enough the right way. They think what they have is right but the work was not put in to complete the program. Most of these folks also have 20-30 rilfes and scopes. All mixed and matched gear of which they are not familliar with any of it to the extent it is a no brainer to operate. Different safeties, different scopes, some with AO, some with reticles in different plains, different hold overs different handloads. Different zero points, These long range wannabe's are the biggest nightmare to a guide or PH.

They actually try for and deliberatley attempt the long shooting instead of making the easy stalk to a better or higher % shot. I have heard plenty of times when a guy shoots clear over the back of an animal at 100 yards " wow I fogot the trajectory of this rifle I am used to the "XYZ" rifle I use at home for blah blah blah. Well why not bring that rifle if it's what your used to? Do you realize how long it takes to become expert with a single cartridge and rifle? You should be shooting hundreds of rounds to become a perfect fit with a thoughless magic connection between you and the gun. How does anyone develope this with 10 or more rifles of different makes with different scopes and loads? Heck I have only 2 hunting rifles with identical trajectory and I still don't have the time I would like with both. I just had the 30/06 rebarreled by John Ricks because I had 3500 plus shots through it. When I pick up that 30/06 it's a magic wand of death to anything I see under 250 yards. And not all that lucky for the game out to 350 either. It takes a lot of time to get into the groove with a single rifle.

Pick a rifle that has the needed trajectory and power to function within the 300 yard or les distance and practice with rolled up jackets as a rest, a pack frame, your bipod, freehand, off the hood of a truck if need be, off a stump. The bench is great to prove repeatability of the gun and load. After that it is hurting your chances to be a good hunter. Practice with the same clothing you will wear. The fit of the gun is critical and your coat or jacket is a big part of that fit. One of the best ways to shoot steady is when seated with knees drawn up to your chest. If right handed, rest the forarm of the rifle on your left arm at the elbow. The left elbow should be resting on left knee. The left hand can hold the right leg where comfortable. The right hand controls the rifle and fires the gun. This is the best way to make a long shot with nothing to rest the gun on. It's a very steady rest with just enough height to see over most brush.

I have shot a 375HH and a 458 Lott this way. The 458 Will rock me back most of the time but the shot is always good when taken this way. I have made several 150 yard kills with the Lott on Warthogs using this method and open sights. Imagine how much easier it would be with a 30/06 and a scope!

Hope this post opens up some ideas for you and gets you thinking about real practice for actual hunting. Remember there are about 1000 things that can happen when shooting game further then 300 yards and only one is good!
 

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thanks JJ ,
if i was still hunting with a rifle once i had the 'o6 shooting on from the bench it would be the last time i used it there .because that isn't a hunting situation .also i would more than likely have it dead on at 100m or at most 2" high it is a lot easier to hold over a target in a hunting situation than to hold under because you have it set 7" high , talk about asking for a mess .

when i use a scope on a rifle i want it so when you shoulder the firearm you are looking through the scope with very little movement and you know your target is in the scope you just need to find it ,the biggest percentage of the time the target is almost in the center of the scope .

must get frustrating for you ph's having clients with lots of equipment but little practice .

this is why i like my bows , have to be close enough you can taste them ,don't shoot through the pucker brush , have to be able to hit what you are looking at (haveing trouble here at the moment ) ,and don't expect to kill a great many animals .thanks again for the post ------- herb
 

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Great post, JJ!

I'd love to see this in the Rifle forum.
 

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Speck, if you think it has value to another forum you're welcome to move it. Let me know where it ends up so I can see the flames!
 

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jjhack,
That was truly a rifleman's opus. One of the better posts I have ever read on this site, or any other site really. I think its message is especially important in these type of forums as the internet is full of keyboard "hunters." This also ought to be published in several of the popular hunting mags that pimp the lazer magnums and the big bell scopes as a necessity to effectively take game. Thanks, I enjoyed your work.
 

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JJ,

I'll post links to it in a couple of places and see what kind of traffic it generates. Wouldn't hurt for a few more guys to check out this forum anyway.

I doubt you'll need asbestos shorts for this one, though. You're dead on, and I don't think anyone with good sense will argue with your point. I, for one, had a lot more success with field shooting BEFORE I discovered the bench rest. It does seem to take me longer to acquire a target and shoot in the field now, and I bet I can attribute that to the very causes you mention.

Of course, I shot mostly iron sights before.. now most of my hunting rifles are scoped. Probably doesn't help.
 

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JJ all I can say with regards to your post is "Amen".
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Thanks for posting bud.
 

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You couldn't have said it any better. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. These kinds of post are important to young and inexperience hunters like myself.
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Great post! I will never give up shooting from a bench, as I enjoy seeing how little the groups can get...but this is a strong reminder that when it comes to hunting, practice from practical hunting positions. I will shoot more offhand and sitting this weekend...
 

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Great Advice.

I learned some great tips when I was in USMC from one of my old Master Gunnery Sergeants.

Most of it is very similar to what you just posted.

Also,

In the current copy of the magazine "The Complete Rifleman" has a good article in it about the same stuff.

I have not finished it but it seems to be very similar to your advice.

JIB

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JJ,
incredible post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must kneel down to the almightly:)

Any way I could get your permission to reprint this????????? e-mail me if your interested....


Thanks Speckmisser for linking this to the blacktail forum!!!!!!!!!!

I'm still hanging in there
 

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