Buffalo Charge

[Peter V]

Hi Folks,

We have added some footage of a full blown charge on our portal for those who may interested in witnessing the true tenacity of an irate Cape Buffalo.

It is not a “staged or set up charge” as seen in some of the video footage out on the market ...simply a grand old bull that took exception to being disturbed and chose to settle matters the hard way.

To view the clip, choose “safari footage” from the bottom menu options at www.africanhuntersguild.com

I'm sure our fellow forum members here will find it to be of interest.

 

[larrysogla]

What caliber are the weapons firing to stop the cape buffalo charge?????

 

[doorman]

Ok

First of all you don’t clap to get a cape to turn around or get up you wait for him and you try not to be seen. The video is a put on he has been ban from showing those video’s at SCI, he was showing capes being shot and wounded and having them charge the hunter. As for the gun you can’t dangerous game with anything less then a .375. Most guides use .416 or bigger. Most use a Lott .458
I have take cape’s and we are going to Zambia this year. We all hunt my wife, 10 yr son old & 8 yr daughter. The kid will hunt plains game, my wife and I are hunter Lion leopard’s & cape’s plus all plains game that we see. But again hunting buffalo’s that way will get hunt or Killed. Hope this will help
Doorman

 

[BDB]

How come they didn't just use a red cape ?

 

[Arise_Kill_Eat_Acts10:13]

About time!!! Thanks doorman.

 

[James Vee]

Doorman, are you sure you watched the video in question? I get the feeling that you are thinking of Mark Sullivan. This video is from "As the Dust Settles", and it's a woman doing the shooting.

 

[doorman]

It look’s like one of the video’s I saw at SCI last year. But I have never heard or saw a P.H clap his or her hands to get a buffalo up; I have 8 trips to Africa I lack 8 species from Africa to finish my African 28. But regardless I would hunt a cape that way at all. And maybe the reason he was laying down was because he had been hit earlier, I saw no other around? I hunt Water buffalo in Austral and we hunted the same it was a stack and get as close as possible then shot to kill. I could be wrong on the video but I don’t thing so.
Doorman
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[Peter V]

Doorman,

Without any intent to flame or bash anyone, I feel obliged to respond to your comments simply to set the record straight, so here goes!

Firstly, as a PH who has a just a bit of experience in hunting cape buffalo i.e. do it for a living and having spent the last 46 years in Africa, I disagree with you on some of your points on "hunting capes". They can and do behave unpredictabley, even more so if it's an irratble lone bull who enjoys his own company and as such is super sensitive to being disturbed given he does not have the benefit that herding brings.

Secondly, I happen to know the specific PH who features in the video as the "hands clapper", hell as recent as last weekend Gavin and I bumped into each other in the Umfolozi in Zululand / Northern Natal and chatted. Believe me when I tell you he ain't Mark Sullivan, nor has the video in question beeing banned at SCI and specifically, the buffalo in question was not wounded in anyway. So I guess you may be unintenionally mixing up the footage with some other video.

Best wishes

 

[doorman]

Hi Peter V
No I’m not thing of Mark.I have check with several of my African buddies they have not heard of the other PH. What company does he work for? I spoke with some one that is on the record book committee (SCI) he has heard of Gavin. The PH that I talk with said they wouldn’t hunt a cape that way (they saw the video) and nor would I. Most reputable company’s would not want that to get out IT’S DANGEROUS SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT, That’s my view. We hunt with Swanepoel & Scandrol they don’t hunt that way. I’ll post pictures of my cape when I get back .

Doorman

 

[Peter V]

Doorman,

Gavin Hume is with "Hunters & Guides", one of the more reputable and established safari firms out here:


http://www.huntersandguides.co.za/home.htm

Regards

 

[James Vee]

Peter, you any do any work with Coetzee's?

 

[huntducks]

I see nothing wrong with him clapping his hands to get the Buff to stand, you ever heard the expression more then one way to skin a cat, first off the hunter was not ready to shoot as she had a nice standing broadside shot for maybe 5 seconds she should have drove one right thru it at that point, as it was she and the PH did a great job standing there ground and doing what they had to do.

Doorman I have whistled, clapped, and even yelled stop at game many a time and most of the time it works.

Peter V thanks for the link.

 

[bzzboyz]

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Doorman I have whistled, clapped, and even yelled stop at game many a time and most of the time it works.[/b]

Most of the time I bet it doesn't have the capacity to kill you though, nor the desire to.

 

[huntducks]

Bzz

I was hunting Grizzly's in AK. and could not get a shot at a bear bedded in some adler thickets we waited for over 2 hours finely I whistled and the damn thing stood up on his hind legs at less then 70 yards tying to figure out what that noise was that he had never heard, I shot him throught both shoulder and down he went.

 

[doorman]

Hello
This is my last statement on this hunt; I WOULD NOT clap my hand to get alone or a herd bull to stand up, you and your PH should be shot if you hunt that way.

If I remember correctly the Ph could lose his or her licenses for hunting dangerous game that way. The Ph is the one that is suppose to take all the risk not the client if she had wounded him then the Ph goes after him. Why were then in such a hurry any way? I have the big five already, I’m now on the dangerous seven. My first cape was a three hour stalk and hunt my PH waited for the right shot at the right time to shot. My Elephant I took at 20 yds after a small charge, he had winded us from stalking him in the bush. Sometimes that happens thats hunting, but to clap I would not do. Too many GOOD and BAD PH’s get killed every year for doing stupid SH** like that.
As far your brown bear's, clapping of the hand’s that a total different hunt all together. Most bears will run from humans (depending on the loc.), so clapping to get a bear up I’d thing real hard about, more then likely I would not do it if he had seen or winded you, you would not have him. I just got back from a brown bear hunt took the very last hours of the hunt 9’2 23 2/8

All that I’m saying that’s not the way of hunting that most PH will hunt. I’m also the Hunt Donation Chairman for a Safari club here in Texas so I do know a lot of the African Outfitters. But again this is me and the way I hunt. I hunt to come home the same way that I left, (not in a pine box)Hunt Safe
Doorman

 

[Peter V]

Doorman,

As a humble professional, I bow before your esteemed knowledge and great experience; please do feel free to hunt buffalo and anything else for that matter as you see fit.

As for me, I'm off to clap at a few buffalo and sundry rhino

(as great beasts they do indeed deserve applause prior to being dispatched).

Regards

 

[doorman]

Thank you, you should. The “recognized” Professional’s that I have learned to hunt with would NEVER hunt that way. When I arrive in Zambia on the 28 Th of this month, if you are in our camp you will be politely ask to leave camp. I have talk to several my outfitters, I was wondering why they have not heard of the “African Hunters Guild” Again this is my last post on this matter! By the way are you Peter Capstick?Are you a member of the African Proffessional Hunters Assc.?
Doorman

 

[Arise_Kill_Eat_Acts10:13]

Peter- Do you do this often or just when you think it is needed? At what point do you clap? At what range do you do it or don't do it? I am asking because I’m seriously curious about this practice of yours.

I have never been to Africa. I am fortunate enough to know some folks who hunt Africa Quite a bit. Whenever I am w/ them, I am a human sponge (asking questions and such).

I was very interested in this topic (clapping at dangerous game) because I have never heard of this method. From what I have gathered (and I’m sure you all know) the Cape Buffalo is regarded as one of the most dangerous and unpredictable animals in the world.

At a recent SCI gig, I asked a few of my friends about the clapping at dangerous game, specifically, Capes. It is not my intention to bust your chops Peter. I just wanted to pass along the overall consensus to my question… In a nutshell, every one of them said something along the lines that it is not wise

. Keep in mind that the question was directed only for Capes.

Again, I am not trying to act like I’m a big hunter or act like I know my stuff on Africa because I’m not & I don’t. When I come into the Africa forum, I am truly humbled at some of you high rollers that have the opportunity to do this stuff often

. JHO rocks for resources and information. Correct, accurate & SAFE information.