Can you loan guns in California?

[Frostbite]

Is loaning a gun to a friend considered a transfer that must be done through a Federal Firearms License holder?

Can guns be loaned for indefinite periods of time?

That was a question brought up in a recent discussion of various state laws.

 

[OPAH]

Ca, Penal code section 27500 - 27590, from what I read: you can not loan:
if under the age of 18,
has a criminal records prohibiting position of a firearm and
no longer than 30 days I believe.
A lot of law jargon in there, I would take a look before you do.

 

[Marty]

In general, yes provided the person is permitted to possess a firearm.

Otherwise:
Sales, Transfers and Loans of Firearms to Minors
Generally, it is illegal to sell, loan or transfer any firearm to a person under 18years of age, or to sell a handgun to a person under 21 years of age .
(Pen . Code,§ 27505 .)

 

[Brnsvllyjohn]

OK may sound stupid but how does a junior hunter acquire a firearm if he cannot borrow one? I have let young hunters hunt with some of my guns in the past.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Loan mine all the time.

 

[MariotheBarber]

Loan mine all the time.

You must have good friends, I can't even get a ice chest back from mine hahaha...

 

[CL&RR]

Less than 30 day loan
Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm between personswho are personally known to each other, if all of the followingrequirements are satisfieda) The loan is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.(b) The loan is for any lawful purpose.(c) The loan does not exceed 30 days in duration.(d) Until January 1, 2015, if the firearm is a handgun, theindividual being loaned the firearm shall have a valid handgun safetycertificate. Commencing January 1, 2015, for any firearm, theindividual being loaned the firearm shall have a valid firearm safetycertificate, except that in the case of a handgun, an unexpiredhandgun safety certificate may be used.


3 Days or Less
Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm if all of thefollowing conditions exista) The person loaning the firearm is at all times within the presence ofthe person being loaned the firearm.(b) The loan is for a lawful purpose.(c) The loan does not exceed three days in duration.(d) The individual receiving the firearm is not prohibited by state orfederal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.(e) The person loaning the firearm is 18 years of age or older.(f) The person being loaned the firearm is 18 years of age or older.


Hunters /Hunting
Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm, other than a handgun,to a licensed hunter for use by that hunter for a period of time not toexceed the duration of the hunting season for which the firearm is to beused.

Got these from the CalGuns Foundation

I've been told if you loan a gun to someone you should have a letter detailing, period of time, individuals involved in the loan process, purpose, make & model. This should be copied so both parties have one.

 

[TheGDog]

"valid firearm safety certificate" <--- Would a valid Hunting License suffice for this requirement? Seeing as how an individual has to go thru the Hunter Safety Course?

 

[Frostbite]

Thanks to all for the info.

Quite complicated.

 

[Marty]

No, safety certs are not the same as hunting licenses despite common sense.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

You must have good friends, I can't even get a ice chest back from mine hahaha...

They know me and my rules...guns returned when promised, cleaned and cased.

 

[Brnsvllyjohn]

Ok been thinking about this. If I read this correctly I cannot loan a firearm to someone unless they are hunting with me. If I loan them a gun to just go shoot at the range they must have a safety certificate and not just a hunting license? I guess I tell my grandson I need my gun back. He doesn't have a safety certificate, is not 18, he is not with me and it is not deer season here yet. Not sure how this is going to work out for families that tend to share guns. I used to loan my 6 MM Remington to lots of 12 year old deer hunters in the family. My 20 gauge 870 has been used by a lot of beginning hunters also.

 

[OPAH]

Complicated? From the jest of It, younger than 18 must have parental consent and a valid reason Ie: going to the range for target practice.
didn't see the MUST have a Safety cert. but freck you know California any way to make it difficult or confused for us gun owners, they want their sheep and they want them now, we are a hiccup in their Getty up.

 

[adam32]

When purchasing a rifle, a hunting license DOES count as a safety cert, so loaning will be the same.

Is the rifle in question registered to you? Most likely it isn't, so don't worry about it, loan all you want.

 

[Plain ol' Steve]

When purchasing a rifle, a hunting license DOES count as a safety cert, so loaning will be the same.

Do you mind posting up the source that supports the above?

Thanks

 

[Common Sense]

I have often taken my children's friends hunting with them (some of them didn't even have hunting licenses) and supplied them with guns. I have often loan firearms to friends and neighbors. My next door neighbor often would "borrow" a shotgun during dove season even when I was not home; but he always returned it cleaned and with at least a box of shells.


The question was "Can you loan guns in California?" to which I answer --- "yes I can".

If the question was "Is it legal to loan guns in California?" My answer would be "frankly my dear..."

 

[Marty]

Adam is correct in that a valid hunting license is a qualified exemption for the FSC ( firearm safety certificate - CA DOJ http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fscfaqs ) when discussing long arms (not handguns).

Side note: Ironically, the CA DOJ says the HSC (handgun safety cert) is no longer valid and only applied to the purchase of a handgun. As of Jan.01, 2015 you need a FSC to purchase either a long gun or handgun. Yet, on the old HSC test, there were questions about the safe handling of long guns.

 

[Plain ol' Steve]

Thanks Adam 32 & Marty.

 

[BelchFire]

Legal? I dunno. Appropriate? I can count on one bird-finger the number of people I would loan a gun to. If they go postal, or anything else ...... you can be found libel. I wouldn't do it.

 

[Common Sense]

Legal? I dunno. Appropriate? I can count on one bird-finger the number of people I would loan a gun to. If they go postal, or anything else ...... you can be found libel. I wouldn't do it.

I have never seen you or talked to you, but if you came out to California and wanted to go quail hunting --- I wouldn't hesitate to give you directions to where you could find birds. I would also supply you and your children/guest with shotguns and a few boxes of shells.

I have loaned guns many times to out of state visitors and co-workers. I have never loaned guns to minors, except when they went with me and my children hunting and I was present. Half of "my" guns I haven't had for several years because my children/grandchildren borrowed them -- one of them was used by my grandson's friend last year to harvest a few pheasants when my son took them on a hunt.