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Well, I won't draw this one out this time... I promise.
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As the poet, Robert Burns said,

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Wee, cow'rin' timorous beastie
What panic lies within thy breastie?[/b]

OK, well, after he said all that, he also said,
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The best laid plans of mice and men
g'ang aft agley.[/b]

And that's the part that's relevant to last week's archery elk hunt in Colorado.

No elk venison for me this year. That's the bottom line. I had my opportunity, but wasn't able to capitalize after a tiny oak tree grabbed the bottom of my recurve as I was attempting a 31 yard shot. I saw a few bulls, including one that should go 370 or better, but never had another good opportunity after that first one.

The whole, sordid tale will appear on the JHO Journal later this month, so I'll spare you the extended description for now. But here are a few highlights.

First, the incident in which I missed the bull.

The guide we were with at the time, a 22 year-old iron man named Chad, called this bull from way down in the bottom of a canyon. It came in fast, and I chose the perfect spot to wait him out. He stepped into the clearing, and stopped about 12 yards from me looking for the challenger. Unfortunately, between us was a thicket of oak brush. I could see well, but couldn't shoot. He stood there, looked around, then bugled right in my face! I can honestly say I haven't experienced that much excitement in the field since I shot my first buck more than 30 years ago! I was shaking from top to bottom, and I could hear and feel my heart slamming right up against my ear drums!

The elk, unable to find his challenger decided that staying in that clearing wasn't wise. He turned to go back the way he came. I couldn't see Chad, and Chad couldn't see the elk, but I was hoping he'd call again. The elk would go right by me at about three yards if he continued up the trail... but there was no call and the bull was moving back to the thick brush he'd come from. I had a cow call in my mouth, and decided to try a mew of my own in hopes of stopping him and turning him for a shot. The sound I made has no definition in the annals of elk hunting, but it must have confused that bull because he did stop. Unfortunately, he didn't turn and all I had was a big elk butt at 20 yards.

He started off again, and I tried to call once more. Did I mention that I was excited? Somehow I got the call sideways in my mouth, and as I inhaled to make the call the danged thing slipped back into my throat...nearly gagging me! I coughed it out and made another godawful squawk. The bull stopped again, probably out of pity for my calling ability, and turned slightly quartering to look back once more.

I thought I saw my opening, and steeply angled shot behind the ribs and, hopefully, forward into the important stuff. I drew and released, ignoring in the moment that odd sensation that something had a hold of the bottom of my bow. The string felt really weird on the release and I watched in horror as the arrow essentially fluttered off the string and arced through the air a solid six or seven feet to the left of the bemused bull. There was the sound of shredding brush on the release, and I realized that the little bush at my feet had somehow grown up between the lower limb and the string.

The bull decided he'd had enough amusement for the afternoon, and trotted headlong into an oak. He put it in reverse, backed up like a truck about three feet, pivoted down the trail and disappeared. About 100 yards below, he stopped and stood barking at us...either still unsure what had just happened, or else that barking sound was the elk equivalent of a good belly laugh.

Halfway through the seven-day hunt, Chad stepped off of a rock and tore all the ligaments in his ankle. We'd (my brother and I) broken the guide! Back at the lodge, the outfitter (Rick Webb) sent in the second string, a new guide we'll call "Wild Bill." This is where the tale got ugly.

I'll leave off for now, but during the second half of our hunt I got some real good demonstrations of how NOT to be an elk hunting guide. My brother and I were extremely unhappy with this part of the hunt, and made this clear to Rick on Friday before we left. To his credit, he made it up to us with a deep discount on a future hunt and his heartfelt apologies. I felt bad for him having to do this, since he was really between a rock and a hard place after Chad got hurt... but his backup guide really ruined those last three days (two-and-a-half days, actually, since my brother and I quit hunting halfway through the last day).

Anyway, more to come in the JHO Journal. I've also got a ton of video that needs to be sorted out and edited.
 

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can't wait to hear the whole story! sounds like elk hunting though. Sorry about the guide. I had a bad one once and then decided to hunt on my own since then, and have done better without them and had much more satisfaction in the process. Keep practicing those calls! Glad you at least got out in the mountains in Sept!
 

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Cant wait to read all the details. Just getting that close to a bull elk is a rush that will never be forgotten. You'll relive that scenario over and over in your mind till you draw your dying breath. Theres a jewel in this hunt somewhere and were all waitin for you to get it polished and posted.
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Sounds like the hunt started out pretty amazing Phil, bummer it ended badly for you. As you know I had a bad experience on a "guided" elk hunt also, it's no fun, I feel for you. Well, at least you have a good price for the next hunt right?! I can't wait to read the full story
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Dang Spec. Was really hoping you got one. You sure do have a lot of patience with that recurve.
 

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Steve, I think about your experience everytime I go up there... and still feel guilty for making the recommendation. Every time I go up now, I hear more and more horror stories about that guy. Wish I'd known that before...

Kentuck, the patience with the recurve may have hit the wall last week. I am fairly certain I could have killed that bull with a compound (for several reasons), and if not, could very likely have killed another one that came pretty close too. That was an awful expensive trip to put myself up against the odds like that, and may serve as a lesson and incentive to me to consider a wheel bow...at least for paid hunts. I can still use the recurve around here, but it might be smart to consider stepping into the dark side if I'm paying for a hunt. Dunno yet... but we'll soon see.
 

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Hell, no worries there Phil, I was planning to go even before your trip. You and your brother had a great trip. Just turned out some things changed after your trip and before mine, and before the old owner sold the business.
 

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You know what will happen Spec. You'll get one of them new fangled wheelie things and go on a hunta and have game all over you at less than 20 yards!
 

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I feel your pain Speck. I blew a golden opportunity on three different 38 yard cow elk within a minute and a half of each other due to basic incompetency and technical difficulty. I was heart broken. The one thing I know is, I'll be back again next year.

Dave
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kentuck @ Sep 24 2007, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You know what will happen Spec. You'll get one of them new fangled wheelie things and go on a hunta and have game all over you at less than 20 yards![/b]
Truer words have never been spoken, Kentuck.

My next trip, currently scheduled for 2009, will be for first rifle season. It's not so much because I don't want to go with a bow again, but I really like the weather during October... it's more like "elk hunting" to me, with frosty mornings, a likelihood of snow, and they're usually still bugling. Besides, I have this new whiz-bang magnum rifle... and you know, of course, that I'll kill my bull at 10 yards.
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Sorry about your guide(s) Speck... maybe, I guess, they missed the first day of guide class 101????
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richardoutwest @ Sep 25 2007, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Sorry about your guide(s) Speck... maybe, I guess, they missed the first day of guide class 101????[/b]
Thanks Richard,

Our first guide was great... he's a young buck, but he knows the woods and the animals and he handled himself and us (the clients) like a pro. Too bad he had a bad wheel, and that wheel blew up halfway through our hunt.

That backup guide was exactly that... a backup, still learning the ropes, and eager to show off all he knew (and to tell us how much he knew at every turn
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). Most of his tactics would likely have worked fine if he were hunting alone, but three people on a trail are a lot different than one and I don't think this ever clicked in his head. Had some other issues too, but almost all of it can be attributed to missing out on not only the first day of Guide 101, but apparently the whole semester.

Couldn't help the feeling the entire time we were with him, that we were hunting HIS hunt, and not ours. I squared him away pretty clearly on that about midway through the second day on the job after he blew through one raghorn bull and was about to blow out another one in the chase for a "toad", but by then the damage was done.
 

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Glad that your first guide was just that, a guide... Unfortunately, we get stories like this every year. As an Outfitter, you always need an equal guide in the wings to step in just "in case". There should be no "back-up", as the other guide will be just as qualified! Once you are "booked" into a hunt, the only real thing that one can do, is get with the Outfitter (if one) and let them know your concerns right off the bat. The Outfitter should be work something out. We try hard to pair up guides with the hunter...personality. All guides should be able to adapt to the most experienced to the beginner and still give a quality hunt.

It really is hard for a hunter to pick a guide, knowing that he/she made the right choice. References help, but only so much! The hunter has no way of knowing if they are talking to the guys relatives or friends!! The hunter has no way of knowing that the magazine article they just read was in exchange for a hunt!! I have been around for a long time and have seen it all!!

When it comes down to it, the Outfitter or the Guide will do everything in their power to have a great hunt and to harvest an animal. Word of mouth will kill you fast!! I have found out a LONG time ago that hunting on someone elses dime is not the same as if I were hunting on my own.

Glad that you got out away from the concreat jungle anyway!
 

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Richard, you're absolutely right.

I believe ours was a case of an unfortunate series of events, beginning with our guide getting hurt, the outfitter (Rick Webb) himself being occupied in the recovery and pack out of a downed trophy elk with one of the other hunters, and his best guide was unavailable for the week as he's in the process of building a house.

I also think, unfortunately, that the outfitter wasn't aware of how unprepared this new guide was.

It was also, at least partially, our fault for letting it go as long as it did. The first night with the backup guide, Rick asked me how I felt about the new guy. I was honest, but held off some criticism because I wrote off some of the previous day's issues as simple mistakes. In retrospect, I should have been a lot less forgiving... I was spending my hard-earned money here.

When the guide performed the same way on the second day, I called him to the mat on it. That sort of chilled attitudes for the rest of the day, and when we returned to camp with one more hunting day left, we were ready to quit. I mentioned to Rick that night that things weren't going well. Fortunately, the other hunters were worn out and decided not to hunt the last day, so the guide they were hunting with (his normal hunts are 2-1) was available to join us on Friday. Unfortunately, the elk shut up and disappeared on Friday and we bailed out after half the day to go get ready for the trip home.

To Rick's credit, he's going to pretty good lengths to make it right by us, with a discounted future hunt for my brother and myself, and a great price for a couple of our hunting buddies as well. The outfit, Dark Timber Lodge still ranks pretty high in my esteem, as I'm pretty sure this was an anomaly in an otherwise well-run operation. This was my second hunt with Rick, and I've spent a good bit of time talking to him between hunts on a personal level.

I appreciate your perspective, by the way, Richard. I know you guys are in a challenging business, and you never know what kind of yo-yos you'll be dealing with. I'm betting you get some real "winners".
 

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I'm glad Rick is making it up to you. Nonetheless, I could tell by the way you told me the story while in Cabelas that it was a bitter pill to swallow. Hey, it takes some not-so-good trips to make the better ones stand out.

I'm still reflecting on my trip as I sure you are yours. There certainly must have been some memorable and exciting moments in it for you in spite of the goober-guide.
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Figured you might get a chuckle from part of this Robert Service poem:

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The Law of the Yukon

This is the law of the Yukon, and ever she makes it plain:
"Send not your foolish and feeble; send me your strong and your sane --
Strong for the red rage of battle; sane for I harry them sore;
Send me men girt for the combat, men who are grit to the core;
Swift as the panther in triumph, fierce as the bear in defeat,
Sired of a bulldog parent, steeled in the furnace heat.
Send me the best of your breeding, lend me your chosen ones;
Them will I take to my bosom, them will I call my sons;
Them will I gild with my treasure, them will I glut with my meat;
But the others -- the misfits, the failures -- I trample under my feet.
Dissolute, damned and despairful, crippled and palsied and slain,
Ye would send me the spawn of your gutters -- Go! take back your spawn again.

"Wild and wide are my borders, stern as death is my sway;
From my ruthless throne I have ruled alone for a million years and a day;
Hugging my mighty treasure, waiting for man to come,
Till he swept like a turbid torrent, and after him swept -- the scum.
The pallid pimp of the dead-line, the enervate of the pen,
One by one I weeded them out, for all that I sought was -- Men.
One by one I dismayed them, frighting them sore with my glooms;
One by one I betrayed them unto my manifold dooms.
Drowned them like rats in my rivers, starved them like curs on my plains,
Rotted the flesh that was left them, poisoned the blood in their veins;
Burst with my winter upon them, searing forever their sight,
Lashed them with fungus-white faces, whimpering wild in the night;

...[/b]
 

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Speck, someday I will post up on the blunders that some of the clients have done and yes some of the blunders the guides have done.. me included! I just have ta put it in a way that it does not single one hunter or guide or outfitter out... Some are incredably funny and some are truely sad.

You are right, it is hard earned money, your money! I am glad that Rick is making good on it. He knows that it is a word of mouth business! Of course, you will not please all the hunters all the time. But you can damn sure try!

take care...
 

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Thanks for the Robert Service, Bill. Love that stuff. Sometimes I really wish I'd been around to be part of all that time in history... and the rest of the time I realize how lucky I am that sterner men than me were there to blaze those trails and learn the lessons. Still, just as I hold onto my romantic dreams of Hemingway's Africa, I dream of the old days in the Yukon and Alaska. I like to think I am one who would have made the best of it... and wonder if I'm just deluding myself.

Thanks again, by the way, for the venison sticks and elk roast. The sticks made a great snack on the remainder of my drive (I went straight through... with a half-hour nap at the Magda/Gold Run rest stop in the Sierra)! The roast will go into the crock pot tomorrow.

Richard, I look forward to that post. I've read some classics, particularly from folks like Jim Zumbo and Patrick McManus. Not often you get to read from the other perspective...the guide/outfitter.
 
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