FHL now excluding military retirees from hunting elk

acldo6390

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Guys,
I just discovered that retirees are now excludced from hunting elk on FHL. Here is the response I got:
The eligibility requirements you cite are correct and was a Command
decision. Your comments will be relayed to FHL's Deputy Commander who chairs
the FHL H&F Working Group Committee.

Preference points was an MWR procedure. They stopped managing the H&F
Program in 2017. It is now under the Directorate of Public Works -
Environmental Division (ENV). ENV does not have the same legal authority to
generate revenue as MWR. By Federal Law and Army Regulation, we can only
sell permits and are not authorized to charge additional fees, have
fundraisers, or use ENV Appropriated funds to subside the H&F Program.
Tracking points was too costly to maintain and did not comply Federal Sikes
Act that requires permit "...fees shall be utilized for the protection,
conservation, and management of fish and wildlife, including habitat
improvement and related activities in accordance with the integrated natural
resources management plan ..."

Thank you for your feedback,
FHL H&F Program

MILITARY ELK TAG LOTTERY RULES AND ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS

RULES

1. You may only enter one (1) FHL military elk lottery. Entry into more
than one (1) elk lottery will void ALL your lottery entries.
2. If you draw both a FHL Military Elk Tag and any other elk tag
through the California Dept. of Fish & Wildlife (CDFW) drawing, then one (1)
of the tags must be declined.
3. DoD Dependent Junior Hunters (see Eligibly Requirements below) must
be 12 years or older as of 1 July 2019.
4. There's a 2-YEAR MORATORIUM for all successful military ELK tag
winners (i.e., if you drew a 2018-19 tag you aren't eligible until the
2021-22 lotteries). There is no moratorium for military DEER tag winners.

ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS

1. Must have purchased a 2019-20 FHL Annual Hunting Permit (includes
discounted annual permits).
2. Belong to one (1) of the following categories:

* Category 1 - Active duty military personnel and Families (includes
U.S. Coast Guard).
* Category 2 - Members of the RC and Families (includes Ready Reserve
(to include Scholarship/Contract ROTC Cadets) and National Guard, and their
Family members).
* Category 3 - Delayed Entry/Delayed Training recruits.
* Category 4 - Cadets of Armed Forces academies.

3. Category eligibility proof of above requires:
- For Service Members, submission to the Hunt & Fish Program a copy
of the front side your DoD issued Common Access Card (CAC).
- For Service Member Dependents, submission to the Hunt & Fish
Program a copy of your DoD issued dependent's ID card and the front side
your sponsor's CAC.



What are your thoughts on this? Seems unfair to me, I spend na lot of years deployed and missed a lot of hunting chances over those 26 years. I'm pissed!
 
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dthome

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That could not be more wrong. These guys gave the best part of their lives to the military, and once they’re done, they get the cold shoulder. Nice, FHL. Real nice.
 

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What about the costs associated to the retirees buying points all these years just to FHL?
 

ltdann

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What about the costs associated to the retirees buying points all these years just to FHL?
They ripped us off and found a way get away with it. Ass wipes!

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I noticed this too, total BS! I’m still active for a few more years, but I don’t get this.

They’ve also been reducing the number of military tags.


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It's funny that a civilian can apply and win a elk tag at FHL and hunt there. But military retiree's, nahhh.

It makes no sense.

That whole organization is shady and incestuous anyway, I doubt I'll ever hunt there again.
 

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They went from a point system, to no points, to screw you you’re not welcome. Way to move the goal posts during the middle of the game. It won’t change unless they hear our voice. They heard from me, I hope others chime in.
 

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I've made probably half a dozen ICE complaints over the years about thier garbage. The answer's I got were pretty much what the orginal poster said. One manager actually told me over the phone, "yeah, we made that decision because we know we could get away with it and there's nothing you can do about it."

I complained to their higher HQ, totally ignored. Worthless twits.
 

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Guys, I’ll post my reply. They quoted the Sikes act and are not properly applying it. In regards to the other reasons they raised I’ll say bullshit on those. I used to always tell my troops that if the job is too hard just say so. Then I’ll find the next one who can do the job. They’ve reasoned that the job when done properly and justly is too hard. I’ve already contacted my congressman and intend to file a complaint with the Army and VA Inspector Generals office. To exclude retirees (some are undoubtedly handicapped) is in direct violation of both the Sikes act and disability access criteria.
Keep calling and I will post once I’m back in my office the submitted letters and I’ve yet to receive a response when I requested a POC for the aforementioned hunters advisory council.
This is bullshit, we lose enough opportunities through our state and I’m not going to just sit by and watch them do this to veterans. I have two kids on active duty, it says “active duty family member” and not dependent. I asked for clarification on that but no reply.
Thanks for your replies it just underscores that my initial dissatisfaction was warranted.
 

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Just another reason to give my money to other states and have a better chance of drawing a tag. And ANOTHER reason to leave this state. Govt bureaucrats changing regulations and laws to fit their needs without concern for those that pay their salaries.

See ya!
 

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