Iran, Bush, Obama and Reagan

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History is a great teacher. Reagan didn’t play footsies with dictators. He knew human nature. He knew evil. He knew who was wrong. He knew the dictators were bad regardless of whether we were nice. Not condemning them wouldn’t make them behave better.

Let me give me just one example, which is most appropriate right now: Poland, the heart of the Soviet communist bloc. The crackdown ensuing in Iran has many similarities to what happened to the Solidarity movement in Poland after martial law was declared in December 1981.

After martial law, an unceasing stream of words and covert activity and aid (billions of dollars worth) — done in coordination with Pope John Paul II’s Vatican — began flowing to the Solidarity underground from the Oval Office. The stream turned into a tidal wave, and Reagan didn’t stop until the levee broke.

The words alone, which constituted a powerful source of moral support for Poland’s freedom fighters, were so ubiquitous that the final index to the Reagan Presidential Documents — the official collection of all presidential statements — lists references to Solidarity or Poland on 216 pages, with multiple references on most pages. In these, Reagan stood as an unflagging champion of Solidarity, serving up stinging rebukes of Soviet or Polish communist government actions.

Reagan had geopolitical intentions in mind. He made a commitment to save and sustain the Polish freedom fighters as the wedge to splinter the Soviet bloc; they were the crack in the Iron Curtain, and Reagan wanted to be the crowbar. It turned out that bad news in Poland was good news for freedom: In Reagan’s mind, the ugliness that was the crackdown afforded beautiful possibilities.

Iran today, at this very moment, stands at a critical juncture much like Poland in December 1981. In fact, the current White House would be well-served to go back and read how the Reagan White House reacted after martial law was declared on December 13, 1981.

Tragically, the POTUS is not doing what Reagan did. Aside from underground aid and activity, even mere public declarations of moral support would be significant. What’s he afraid of? Could Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Islamist theocrats running this Jew-hating, nuke-craving, terrorist state be any worse? Though you wouldn’t know it from this President's sycophantic American press, Ahmadinejad has already made a fool of the President since the day he stepped into office.

What a genuine tragedy of history that the world has gotten its two most significant shake-ups in Iran under Jimmy Carter and now Barack Obama, and not under a Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush.

In the late 1970s, Carter had essentially given the green light to the would-be mullahs who wanted to overthrow the Shah. Now, this President, through his silent complicity, has given a green light to the enshrined mullahs in their current crackdown against freedom.

This isn’t a surprise. President Obama doesn’t have the necessary understanding — in the heart, the gut, the soul. He doesn’t perceive America — to borrow from Reagan — as “less of a place than an idea.” He doesn’t subscribe to Reagan’s oft-invoked aphorism from Thomas Paine, that America has the power “to begin the world all over again.” He doesn’t see America as that lighthouse, that blowtorch of liberty, that Shining City on a Hill that serves as beacon for the oppressed peoples in captive nations around the world.

President George W. Bush, for all his faults, set this nation, and the wider world, on a course to literally transform human history by remaking the Middle East. The seeds for Bush’s vision for a democratic peace, his openly expressed application of Reagan’s March of Freedom, would be in Iraq and Afghanistan. When he spoke of a March of Freedom igniting in the Middle East, Iran was to be a vital outpost along that path.

And for all his sincere efforts, the left bludgeoned him, joyfully beating him into a pulp — destroyed him. The boiling well of liberal hatred was so vicious, so toxic, gushing into a geyser, that it led to the election of the one presidential candidate who most starkly opposed this inspiring Wilsonian-Reaganesque worldview.

The left got the successor it wanted and deserves.

The American people,
IMHO, let us down badly last November. They obliviously elected a president who truly doesn’t seem to get it. We are now reaping what we’ve sown. What a shame, for us, for Iran, for the world. Freedom be damned. IMHO...
 

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The American people,
IMHO, let us down badly last November. They obliviously elected a president who truly doesn’t seem to get it. We are now reaping what we’ve sown. What a shame, for us, for Iran, for the world. Freedom be damned. IMHO...
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Seeing it next to the <st1:state w:st="on"><st1>Arizona</st1></st1:state> Memorial really puts its size into perspective... ENORMOUS!
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When the Bridge pipes ' Man the Rail' there is a lot of rail to man on this monster: shoulder to shoulder, around 4...5 acres. Her displacement is about 100,000 tons with full complement..


Capability


Top speed exceeds 30 knots, powered by two nuclear reactors that can operate for more than 20 years without refueling

1. Expected to operate in the fleet for about 50 years

2. Carries over 80 combat aircraft

3. Three arresting cables can stop a 28-ton aircraft going 150 miles per hour in less than 400 feet


Size


1. Towers 20 stories above the waterline

2. 1092 feet long; nearly as long as the <st1></st1>
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3. Flight deck covers 4.5 acres

4. 4 bronze propellers, each 21 feet across, weighing 66,200 pounds

5. 2 rudders, each 29 by 22 feet and weighing 50 tons

6. 4 high speed aircraft elevators, each over 4,000 square feet

Capacity

1. Home to about 6,000 Navy personnel

2. Carries enough food and supplies to operate for 90 days

3. 18,150 meals served daily

4. Distillation plants provide 400,000 gallons of fresh water from sea water daily, enough for 2,000 homes

5. Nearly 30,000 light fixtures and 1,325 miles of cable and wiring 1,400 telephones

6. 14,000 pillowcases and 28,000 sheets

7. Costs the Navy approximately $250,000 per day for pier side operation

8. Costs the Navy approximately $25 million per day for underway operations (Sailor's salaries included).
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The USS William Jefferson Clinton (CVS1) set sail today from its home port of Vancouver , BC
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The ship is the first of its kind in the Navy and is a standing legacy to President Bill Clinton 'for his foresight in military budget cuts' and his conduct while holding the (formerly dignified) office of President.

The ship is constructed nearly entirely from recycled aluminum and is completely solar powered with a top speed of 5 knots.
It boasts an arsenal comprised of one (unarmed) F14 Tomcat or one (unarmed) F18 Hornet aircraft which, although they cannot be launched on the 100 foot flight deck, form a very menacing presence.

As a standing order there are no firearms allowed on board.

This crew, like the crew aboard the USS Jimmy Carter, is specially trained to avoid conflicts and appease any and all enemies of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1>United States</st1></st1:country-region> at all costs.

An onboard Type One DNC Universal Translator can send out messages of apology in any language to anyone who may find <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1>America</st1></st1:country-region> offensive. The number of apologies are limitless and though some may seem hollow and disingenuous, the Navy advises all apologies will sound very sincere.

In times of conflict, the USS Clinton has orders to seek refuge in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1>Canada</st1></st1:country-region>.
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I seem to recall that there was a President Regan who sold TOW Missiles to Iran to raise money for the Contras and allowed the Israelis to sell US made F-4 parts to Iran. There was also a President Regan who was very friendly with Sadam Hussein and Ferdinan Marcos. Regan did play footsie with dictaitor's just not communist ones other then China and Yugoslavia.

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1980 F-4 parts? I don't think anyone would consider those strategic but if you're digging for something to hang your hat on I guess that will work for a start. Just so you know, the F-4 was considered outdated in the early 70s when the F-16, F-14 and F-15 came online.

Marcos was an ally for 2 huge reasons named Subic and Clark. If you understand projecting global influence then it all makes sense.

Footsie or watching our for our military interests? That all depends on if you're a pie in the sky leftlist liberal or realist.

Let's get back to the subject of Obama and his letting slip the only chance he may get to help free Iran. Care to comment on wonder boy Lefty and his recent actions, errrrr inactions regarding Iran?
 

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HI Jesse,

I am having a hard time logging on to JHO I dont' know why since i can connect to other websites. Back to Iran. In 1980 the F-4 wasn't all that bad compared to the Iraqi Mig -21s and Mirage f-1. It is a fact that we sold TOWs to Iran which the Iranians did use effectively . My main point is that Regan coddled dictaitor's has much has any other president.

What can Obama do about the oppression in Iran. We can't send troops since they are already bogged down has it is. We can't impose trade sanctions because we are at best a minor trade partner of Iran and all nations other then Israel have the opportunity to compete for trade with our Nato allies and Iran's other good friends such has Japan, China and S.Korea. It is not the job of the USD to liberate others only the iranians can liberate themselves against a brutal dictaitorship just like the Romanians did. perhaps Obama rembers that Eissenhour encouraged the Hungarians to revolt has did GHB encouraged the Kurds to revolt and look what happened.

BTW my son and I were able to nail 8 crows and they ae still using the flyway.

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Three New Navy Ships<O></O>​



USS REAGAN<O></O>​





Seeing it next to the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:state w:st="on"><ST1>Arizona</ST1></st1:state> Memorial really puts its size into perspective... ENORMOUS!
<O></O>​








When the Bridge pipes ' Man the Rail' there is a lot of rail to man on this monster: shoulder to shoulder, around 4...5 acres. Her displacement is about 100,000 tons with full complement..


Capability


Top speed exceeds 30 knots, powered by two nuclear reactors that can operate for more than 20 years without refueling

1. Expected to operate in the fleet for about 50 years

2. Carries over 80 combat aircraft

3. Three arresting cables can stop a 28-ton aircraft going 150 miles per hour in less than 400 feet


Size


1. Towers 20 stories above the waterline

2. 1092 feet long; nearly as long as the <ST1></ST1>

<ST1><ST1>Empire</ST1><ST1> State</ST1><ST1> Building</ST1></ST1> is tall

3. Flight deck covers 4.5 acres

4. 4 bronze propellers, each 21 feet across, weighing 66,200 pounds

5. 2 rudders, each 29 by 22 feet and weighing 50 tons

6. 4 high speed aircraft elevators, each over 4,000 square feet

Capacity

1. Home to about 6,000 Navy personnel


2. Carries enough food and supplies to operate for 90 days

3. 18,150 meals served daily

4. Distillation plants provide 400,000 gallons of fresh water from sea water daily, enough for 2,000 homes

5. Nearly 30,000 light fixtures and 1,325 miles of cable and wiring 1,400 telephones

6. 14,000 pillowcases and 28,000 sheets

7. Costs the Navy approximately $250,000 per day for pier side operation


8. Costs the Navy approximately $25 million per day for underway operations (Sailor's salaries included).
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USS BILL <st1:city w:st="on"><ST1>CLINTON</ST1></st1:city><st1:city w:st="on"></st1:city><O></O>​






The USS William Jefferson Clinton (CVS1) set sail today from its home port of Vancouver , BC
<O></O>​







The ship is the first of its kind in the Navy and is a standing legacy to President Bill Clinton 'for his foresight in military budget cuts' and his conduct while holding the (formerly dignified) office of President.

The ship is constructed nearly entirely from recycled aluminum and is completely solar powered with a top speed of 5 knots.
It boasts an arsenal comprised of one (unarmed) F14 Tomcat or one (unarmed) F18 Hornet aircraft which, although they cannot be launched on the 100 foot flight deck, form a very menacing presence.

As a standing order there are no firearms allowed on board.

This crew, like the crew aboard the USS Jimmy Carter, is specially trained to avoid conflicts and appease any and all enemies of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1>United States</ST1></st1:country-region> at all costs.

An onboard Type One DNC Universal Translator can send out messages of apology in any language to anyone who may find <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1>America</ST1></st1:country-region> offensive. The number of apologies are limitless and though some may seem hollow and disingenuous, the Navy advises all apologies will sound very sincere.

In times of conflict, the USS Clinton has orders to seek refuge in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1>Canada</ST1></st1:country-region>.
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USS BARACK OBAMA




Details are as vague as his past, his economic policies and his credentials to lead.



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Very clever! Thanks for the chuckle.
 

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Obama is getting to be worse than Clinton,thats bad!!!!!!
 

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Honestly, the leadership in DC scares the crud out of me. It's just not good.
 

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