La Panza - looking for trespass fee properties.

[bobby7321]

So I convinced my friend to put in for la panza bull, since I had a good contact for a property to hunt if he was drawn (dad took a nice bull there, and grandpa took a trophy cow there :
Well that guy decided to put his ranch in the PLM program... so now I'm looking for other options. He's willing to pay a decent chunk of change for chance at a good bull. Anyone with info feel free to PM me. thank you

 

[nickman123]

My Dad had a La Panza cow tag last year. We talked to a number of bull tag holders while we were hunting. All the ones who'd looked into private land said it was a minimum of 10 to 12 grand. Is he willing to pay that kind of money? Also, what the heck is a "trophy" cow????

 

[easymoney]

IMHO, fees for elk (or even pigs and deer) hunting on private ranches are going to be very expensive. The price of 12,000-15,000 dollars for a bull tag is the going fee on at least three huge ranches with tens of thousands of acres and lots of nice tule bulls. I ask every year about trespass fees and get turned down every time. Why would they, when they get their landowner tags and then they can set the price to the guides who bring the ready clients...

 

[bobby7321]

trophy cow was a joke... and yes I also called the list that DFG gives to all tag holders (dad drew and gpa drew the tag within the last few years) and asked the going rate as well. NONE of them were in that range, not even close. And all were definitely negotiable. This was a couple of years ago, but I doubt the price tripled in 4 years.
I know PLM tags/hunts go for 10-20k. BUT THATS WITHOUT HAVING TO DRAW A TAG. And in turn, those PLM ranches can not allow tag holders (that drew the tag) to hunt the property. So that's not what I am looking for. If there is someone out there NOT in the PLM program, and has some good bulls on the property. Please shoot me the info. thanks

 

[nickman123]

We did not have a bull tag, My dad had a cow tag. But I did call several ranches on the DFG list in advance of his hunt to see what they would charge for a tresspass fee cow hunt. I explained my dad already had the tag. The cheapest price I was quoted for a cow was $2000. Since that seemed really excessive for a cow, we just hunted on the Carizzo Plains for free and dad got his cow there without too much trouble. But like I said, we met and talked with at least 4 other hunters who had bull tags that they had drawn and were hunting on the Carizzo Plains and were having great difficulty finding a bull. All these hunters said they had also looked into doing a trespass bull hunt on private property and the cheapest price they had found was 10 to 12 thousand. They were planning on trying the Cleveland forest if the Carizzo plains didn't pan out.

If you find private property in the La Panza zone that does trespass bull hunts for a reasonable fee (and to me, reasonable would be $2000 or less), please post it here. I put in for the La Panza bull every year and hope to draw it soon and would love to know of a property that has reasonable access fees.

 

[snoopdogg]

Have you called Joe Hobbs at DFW? He's DFG ELK here on this board. I'm sure he has info to share with you. Definitely feach out to him-I would.

 

[270shooter]

My wife drew the La Panza bull tag in 2005 and at the mandatory meeting with DFG she got drawn to be the only bull tag with access to the North Chimaneas Ranch a property owned by the DFG, she got a very nice 8 point bull. There are 3 different properties owned by DFG in that area, the North and South Chimaneas and the American Ranch properties. The year that she drew DFG allowed 1 bull tag holder to hunt the North Chimaneas, 1 bull tag holder and 1 cow tag holder to access the South Chimaneas, everyone else could hunt the American Ranch. My wife was extremely lucky to draw the DFG property, if she did'nt draw that the hunt would probably have had a totally different outcome. There is alot of Tule Elk within that hunt unit, unfortunately they really like the private property and spend most of their time on it. You might want to try the Jack Ranch, I have heard that they will allow access to hunters for a fee but I am not positive. I do know that there is alot of Elk on their property, I have seen numerous herds in that area around the Jack Ranch Cafe with some very nice bulls. My Wife seen a large herd 2 weeks ago with some very nice bulls in it, just north of the Jack Ranch Cafe......... I hope you guys have a fun successful hunt ........... Good luck.

 

[270shooter]

My wife drew the La Panza bull tag in 2005 and at the mandatory meeting with DFG she got drawn to be the only bull tag with access to the North Chimaneas Ranch a property owned by the DFG, she got a very nice 8 point bull. There are 3 different properties owned by DFG in that area, the North and South Chimaneas and the American Ranch properties. The year that she drew DFG allowed 1 bull tag holder to hunt the North Chimaneas, 1 bull tag holder and 1 cow tag holder to access the South Chimaneas, everyone else could hunt the American Ranch. My wife was extremely lucky to draw the DFG property, if she did'nt draw that the hunt would probably have had a totally different outcome. There is alot of Tule Elk within that hunt unit, unfortunately they really like the private property and spend most of their time on it. You might want to try the Jack Ranch, I have heard that they will allow access to hunters for a fee but I am not positive. I do know that there is alot of Elk on their property, I have seen numerous herds in that area around the Jack Ranch Cafe with some very nice bulls. My Wife seen a large herd 2 weeks ago with some very nice bulls in it, just north of the Jack Ranch Cafe......... I hope you guys have a fun successful hunt ........... Good luck.

 

[270shooter]

Contacting Joe Hobbs is excellent advice, he is very knowledgable about the DFG's Elk program, and if he can't provide you the info that you are looking for he can definetely point you in the right direction. Bob Stafford was the Bioligist for that area when my wife drew the tag, he is very knowledgeable and will help you as much as he can.

 

[Hikingwithguns]

There are 3 different properties owned by DFG in that area, the North and South Chimaneas and the American Ranch properties. The year that she drew DFG allowed 1 bull tag holder to hunt the North Chimaneas, 1 bull tag holder and 1 cow tag holder to access the South Chimaneas, everyone else could hunt the American Ranch.

I've avoided applying for La Panza because it seems like you have to win twice to have a good hunt.

They need to split this hunt up. There should be a Chimineas series of tags that would allow the hunters to hit north or south Chimineas in addition to American and Carrizzo depending on which tag and period they drew. DFG could set the number of tags at a level that is appropriate. Then there could be a la panza tag that would be private land in the rest of the current La Panza zone.

It would be similar to how its done for the cache creek tag (lots of public) vs bear valley tag (private). That way people would know what they are getting into.

And while they are at it, time to expand access to north Chimineas for us pig hunters. Keep it walk on only to keep the numbers down like they do in south Chimineas and cache creek. What say you DFG Elk? I'm sure DFG has its reasons for extremely limited North Chimineas access (yes I know about the dove, pig, rabbit hunt) and elk tags that you either have to get lucky again or pay big money, at which point you might as well just go PLM. But I have not heard them.

 

[nickman123]

When we hunted it last year, it was just like 270 shooter says. There are 6 bull tags each season and then there's a drawing at the orientation meeting where they select 2 hunters out of the 6. One gets the padlock combo for north chimineas, one gets the combo to south chimineas. The other 4 have to hunt the american ranch section (which is open to the public), cleveland forest, or private property. The problem is that while there's a huge group of cows, spikes, and raghorns on the american ranch section, all the mature bulls seem to hang out on the chimineas sections. If you've got a cow tag then you have no problem. They do also select one cow hunter go onto south chimineas (no cow hunting on north chimineas at all), but i don't understand why as the cows are easier to get right on the american ranch section. But if you're a bull hunter and are not selected to get on the chimineas units, it seems to be a problem. The biologist said at the orientation meeting that the 4 bull hunters who didn't get drawn should station themselves on opening morning on the american ranch section bordering north chimineas in the hope that the one hunter allowed on north chimineas would drive some of the mature bulls out of the unit and into their sights. That seems to me like a pretty strange way to conduct the hunt but maybe the DFG has their reasons. We were only there opening weekend of second season, but when we left, the 4 non-chimineas bull hunters had yet to see a mature bull (yes i talked to every one of them). The only thing I forgot to ask was if those 4 guys could try walking into south chimineas. Like hikingwithguns said, south chimineas has walk in access and when we were there we saw a number of quail hunters parking on hwy 166 and walking into the unit. The bull hunter who won the drawing for that unit was given the combo for the lock on the vehicle gate so he could drive in. But could any of the other 4 guys have walked into hunt if they were willing to?

 

[Hikingwithguns]

Bump for DFG elk reply.

 

[bobby7321]

I agree that they should definitely split the zone. Makes sense. I asked Bod Stafford about this before and he said is was unlikely to happen.

As for my guy with the tag, he's found a couple other ranches to hunt for his hunt. I knew DFG would send him a list of property owners that would allow access (for a fee), I've had family members with this tag twice before... I decided to post on here to see if anyone had info on other properties that might not be on the DFG list.

thanks for all your help and suggestions.

 

[Hikingwithguns]

Any luck?

 

[sdnative13]

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