Proof Barnes TSX should be illegal on game!

[Hitechhunter]

Hog down, see thread:

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums...873-proof-barnes-tsx-should-illegal-game.html

 

[popndrop]

i've hit hogs with a bunch of different ammo - and they are pretty good at retaining their blood. I've hit them with everything from broad heads to 300wsm and everything in between. They just don't bleed too much. I've had Texas Heart Shots with a 308, with a pass through out the front shoulder and the animal ran another 900 yards before standing and fighting (and taking a few more rounds to kill). They are tanks. Not that they won't drop with the right shot placement - but study your anatomy charts real well.
Sorry to hear your buddies pig couldn't be found - it always sucks to leave a wounded animal in the field. I lost a huge Nilgai down on the King Ranch last year - and that bummed me out so much...

 

[Hitechhunter]

The side buy side comparisons of lead vs. copper are astounding.

 

[superduty]

Now I've never shot a pig with copper but I might be going out on a limb here but I would think it shouldn't matter if you hit them in the right spot. I've shot many a pig and as explained above watched perfect shot pigs hammered with my 300 SAUM run away and as we know it doesn't take much running when you are dealing with dense/steep terain to make tracking/retreiving a pain. I started shooting them in the head. It always dropped them in their tracks. Now you only had to worry if they rolled and if they did then hopefully it was towards the road or truck.

 

[mftkoehler]

I just bought a box of the Winchester Supreme ammo with the E-tip bullet. I upgraded to the 180 gr bullet as well (from 165 Barnes last time). I'm hoping for a bit more whoomph. We'll see.

 

[CaliJeephuntr]

Illegal? All you do is cry about Barnes TSX's.:violin:If you don't like them then use a different bullet! But the fact is TSX's work just fine for many people in many different guns. If TSX's are so bad then why aren't the reports from across the nation all bad? If I didn't have first hand experience with TSX's on many different animals then I might be inclinded to believe you.

As always, shot placement is the key to downing an animal.

 

[dglover]

Oh same topic different area. Shot placement.

 

[dkhuntr25]

cali spot on!!! i shoot the 150 grain tipped bullet and i love them!!! its all i will use from now on they dropped a pig in its tracks with good shot placement i dont see what everyones bi**hing about

 

[scr83jp]

Hog down, see thread:

http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums...873-proof-barnes-tsx-should-illegal-game.html

I want to load the some of the Magtech 454 225gr jhp bullets for my TC Encore 20" Bullberry Rifle Barrel to see if they perform as listed by magtech.I have to recuperate from a herniated L3 disc in my lower back operation before I can reload ammo and shoot my sw460mag hand cannon.I'm wondering if they will open up like a black talon? I've advised hunters to carry a bottle of hydrogen peroxide with a spray top to aid in locating wounded game =blood drops will foam up!

 

[Hitechhunter]

My group has killed up to 23 pigs on a single hunt. Once we all switched to copper, the results have been dramatic. Side by side comparisons of copper vs lead wound channels tell the story.

I understand shot placement (duh). My point is copper is inferior to lead, all other variables being equal. Copper results in more lost animals than lead, despite what Barnes literature says about terminal performance. This bullet clearly failed to open, it is a defective design. That's my beef.

I upgraded from Barnes X to TSX hoping that Barnes had fixed the problem and giving them another chance. Next I will try E-Tips.

I want the most effective equipment I can hunt with. These copper bullets have set us back and I am looking for a solution.

 

[lngrnghunter]

Try the TTSX the tip helps the expansion.

 

[myfriendis410]

You are correct that the X bullet was deficient in expanding. That's why they discontinued it and have been producing the TSX for several years now. It would be unfair to criticize Barnes for poor performance while using an obsolete design and holding it up against others shooting the more modern TSX.

I haven't loaded the E-tip for myself because it can't be loaded as hot as the Barnes due to it's construction. I like that extra 300+ fps I'm getting.

 

[gundogs]

You are correct that the X bullet was deficient in expanding. That's why they discontinued it and have been producing the TSX for several years now. It would be unfair to criticize Barnes for poor performance while using an obsolete design and holding it up against others shooting the more modern TSX.

I haven't loaded the E-tip for myself because it can't be loaded as hot as the Barnes due to it's construction. I like that extra 300+ fps I'm getting.

Have to agree with myfriends410 the TSX is superior. The E-tip 180 works well in the old 06 but everything seems to work if you use enough gun.
410 that is an ugly hog (all hogs are ugly). By the picture you provided I see he was taken with enough gun. :rotflmao:

 

[myfriendis410]

Have to agree with myfriends410 the TSX is superior. The E-tip 180 works well in the old 06 but everything seems to work if you use enough gun.
410 that is an ugly hog (all hogs are ugly). By the picture you provided I see he was taken with enough gun. :rotflmao:

Taken with a 300 gr. TSX in my Sharps and recovered the bullet: it was a thing of beauty! The hog is at the taxidermist as he had all kinds of character. One split ear, really hairy, decent cutters, not great but okay. Good all around hog for putting at the foot of the bed. (Just kidding) Attached is the bullet. By the way, he ran around in circles for about ten seconds.

 

[gundogs]

Taken with a 300 gr. TSX in my Sharps and recovered the bullet: it was a thing of beauty! The hog is at the taxidermist as he had all kinds of character. One split ear, really hairy, decent cutters, not great but okay. Good all around hog for putting at the foot of the bed. (Just kidding) Attached is the bullet. By the way, he ran around in circles for about ten seconds.

That is called controlled expansion! Great picture of the recovered bullet, now people who may be in doubt of the TSX performance can see how they do get the job done. Do you get a sharpshooter badge with clusters for shooting a real Sharps ? LOL
I shoot a 1895G and need to get some copper loads worked up so I can shoot it again here. meanwhile the 44 mag gets the duty. I want results like the one you have pictured.

 

[HOGHUNTER714]

I haven't had a chance to down an animal with copper rounds yet. I bought a box of E-Tips just incase I am huntin down in the condor range. Nowdays, I hunt hogs in Nor Cal and I can just use lead. I would agree with the shot placement. That is the key to everything...Just my 2 cents.....

 

[Hawaiianhunter]

Unfortunately, if you hunt in a lead ban county you are stuck hunting with copper or e-tip bullets no matter what the performance difference is between copper and lead. Until hunters in California ban together, whether you hunt in a lead free area or not, and address this with the state politicians it will never change. I have seen what copper rounds can do to hogs and I have not heard anyone yet have a problem putting down a pig and I like lead rounds like many people because they do perform well on animals and because they cost less than copper. But it is the law and you are stuck with it until it changes.
There are many people in California that don't like hunting but do believe in protecting the environment and the politicians see that and respond with laws that affect hunters. Maybe one day politicians will listen to the hunters and realize how much money hunters and fisherman contribute to the state and national wildlife programs and economy. However, it will stay the same or get worse until we say something to get the politicians to listen.