Recovered my Bullet

[myfriendis410]

Ok, I'll be the bad guy...I think Barnes suck big green.... well you get the idea! I've shot more than one animal that walked quite aways with a pass thru shot.

Now, the E-tips, I like.

If you shoot 'em where you did that last one you could poke 'em with a STICK and they'd fall over dead.

Shot placement, dude.

Of course, anything can happen when you are applying a huge quantum of energy to a little piece of mass produced metal. Shoot enough and you're gonna have a bad result. The worst bullet I've ever used was a Sierra Gameking. A friend of mine refuses to use Nosler Partitions in his .338 due to bad performance. You get the idea.

 

[inchr48]

Cool that you found the bullet. I posted a picture of a Barnes 250 gr. TMZ that I shot out of my in-line muzzleloader. I sifted thru the debris in a rotten stump I shot it into. You can see it in the in-line forums.

 

[ltdann]

Lt. Dann: really?! I am surprised. One brand of copper is better/worse than another? I can't buy it... Two responces to that:
1. Pigs are Zombies and can still walk around dead...
2. Shot placement (no whineing)

nuff said...

I had a springfield 03-as that used to shot nosler partitions like a cloverleaf. I tried the barnes factory loads, couldn't group inside a 12 bullseye. So I reloaded. When thru $450 of reloads and the best I could do get was about 3 rds inside the same 6 inches, and not consistently. So I gave up, bought a Tikka T-3 and switched to E-tips. I now get results similair to the partions. I'm happy there, it kills cleanly.

Now 12 ga. I shoot an 11-87. With the Winchester Supremes, Partion gold hollow points, I used to drop deer consistently, rarely got more than a few feet. Now the only decent groups I get are with Barnes/Federal rounds (TTSX). I've lung and heart shot deer that have gone 40 yds. My partner uses the same and I've watched him put TWO into a deer and we had to track it 1/4 of mile.
Last year, I shot an elk with the Barnes/Federal combo at about 60 yds and the cow sucked up FIVE Barnes 12 ga slugs. I recovered one in the body, and it had mushroomed perfectly.

I can't put my finger on it, but there's just no UMMFF to the barnes. My experience has been, little entrance and exit wounds, little or no blood trail and animals that keep going. Maybe this year, I'll try the Remington Copper solids.

I haven't killed witht he muzzleloader so I can't comment except to say the accuracy is about the same as the 12 ga, ok but not great.

410- I was up over the weekend and didn't see a single hog. Not suprising since the wind was unreal, it broke one of my tent poles.

A word of shot placement and precision. In order to have accurate shot placement, you need a weapon and round combination to shoot precisely to the same point of impact. If you can't shoot to the same point of impact, no amount of scope adjustment will give the shot placement needed to cleanly and humanly take game.

I can't shoot to the same point of impact (or even close) with Barnes, so accurate shot placement is an impossibility.

 

[myfriendis410]

Fortunately, we've got a variety of options for rifles and shotguns with a specific diet.

I'm not surprised about the hogs: it was brutally windy. I'm sorry I missed you. We'll be starting our wounded veterans hunt today and hope to find something worthy of a bullet. Wish us luck.

 

[ltdann]

I purposely stayed out of those fields for you. Hope the gang gets one or two. Wish I was local 'cause thats something I could get behind.

 

[k_rad]

I can't put my finger on it, but My experience has been, little entrance and exit wounds, little or no blood trail and animals that keep going.quote]

Like you said in another post These cloven hoofed devils are all evil and need to have the fear of god put in em! Maybe we need a silver bullet. Like killin Vampires!
:skeered:
Maybe we need one of these COME TO JESUS guns!

 

[ltdann]

That looks like one of CowboyCS's shoulder howitzers, I believe that model is the Thunder buster.

 

[k_rad]

Even the shells look like they need a Detail to load them from the deck of a battleship!

 

[hiline345]

I had a springfield 03-as that used to shot nosler partitions like a cloverleaf. I tried the barnes factory loads, couldn't group inside a 12 bullseye. So I reloaded. When thru $450 of reloads and the best I could do get was about 3 rds inside the same 6 inches, and not consistently. So I gave up, bought a Tikka T-3 and switched to E-tips. I now get results similair to the partions. I'm happy there, it kills cleanly.

Now 12 ga. I shoot an 11-87. With the Winchester Supremes, Partion gold hollow points, I used to drop deer consistently, rarely got more than a few feet. Now the only decent groups I get are with Barnes/Federal rounds (TTSX). I've lung and heart shot deer that have gone 40 yds. My partner uses the same and I've watched him put TWO into a deer and we had to track it 1/4 of mile.
Last year, I shot an elk with the Barnes/Federal combo at about 60 yds and the cow sucked up FIVE Barnes 12 ga slugs. I recovered one in the body, and it had mushroomed perfectly.

I can't put my finger on it, but there's just no UMMFF to the barnes. My experience has been, little entrance and exit wounds, little or no blood trail and animals that keep going. Maybe this year, I'll try the Remington Copper solids.

I haven't killed witht he muzzleloader so I can't comment except to say the accuracy is about the same as the 12 ga, ok but not great.

410- I was up over the weekend and didn't see a single hog. Not suprising since the wind was unreal, it broke one of my tent poles.

A word of shot placement and precision. In order to have accurate shot placement, you need a weapon and round combination to shoot precisely to the same point of impact. If you can't shoot to the same point of impact, no amount of scope adjustment will give the shot placement needed to cleanly and humanly take game.

I can't shoot to the same point of impact (or even close) with Barnes, so accurate shot placement is an impossibility.

Barnes suck or they don't suck these photos were brought to you by Barnes.

 

[ltdann]

Barnes suck or they don't suck these photos were brought to you by Barnes.

Don't get me wrong here, Barnes works very well for some people. I've had guys show me photos of devestating wound channels and report superior accuracy. They tell of many, many DRT shots. They love the stuff, I don't. It just hasn't performed for me, not considering what I have to pay for the things.

It doesn't work for ME, and my firearms.

With my Tikka and E-tips, I can choose which eye to put it in @100yds. I would never consider that with Barnes. Matter of fact, if Barnes were my ONLY option I'd have to find a place to hunt outside the condor zone, I have that little confidence in the round.

I haven't tried the Hornady GMX's so I can't comment on those. If someone comes out with a better round than the E-tip, I'll go to that. With the old nosler partions, I was able to 19 outta 20 inside a 50cent piece @100. I miss that kind of accuracy and nothing beats the partion for flipping over a blacktail.

 

[hiline345]

Don't get me wrong here, Barnes works very well for some people. I've had guys show me photos of devestating wound channels and report superior accuracy. They tell of many, many DRT shots. They love the stuff, I don't. It just hasn't performed for me, not considering what I have to pay for the things.

It doesn't work for ME, and my firearms.

With my Tikka and E-tips, I can choose which eye to put it in @100yds. I would never consider that with Barnes. Matter of fact, if Barnes were my ONLY option I'd have to find a place to hunt outside the condor zone, I have that little confidence in the round.

I haven't tried the Hornady GMX's so I can't comment on those. If someone comes out with a better round than the E-tip, I'll go to that. With the old nosler partions, I was able to 19 outta 20 inside a 50cent piece @100. I miss that kind of accuracy and nothing beats the partion for flipping over a blacktail.

Not trying to twist your arm in to liking Barnes you have given it a try and it doeesn't work for you and your rifle no argument there. I am glad to hear you found a non lead bullet that works for you no matter what the brand. I wasn't a fan of the non lead law but it has forced ammo makers to do some R&D.

Lt. Dann: really?! I am surprised. One brand of copper is better/worse than another? I can't buy it... Two responces to that:

Some bullets are made of 100% copper and others are copper gilding (Hornady GMX ). Actually the jacket on copper jacketed bullets were not 100% copper jacketed they had something mixed in them. Bullet design (secant radius/ tangent radius) and how many relief cuts it has will make a difference from one bullet to the other. Now as a reloader I would stop here but if you are buying factory loads now we are talking about brass, primers & powders, brass alone has a lot to do with pressure for example one brand of brass my be softer/thicker than another. And as a reloader I know that a bullets speed could make a difference, too fast or a little too slow could mean the difference between clover leafing and braille.