Remington 700?

[BossHog]

Getting ready to buy another Remington 700 in .270 for hogs and so my 12 year-old can shoot it. Thinking about the 700 CDl SF (Stainless & Fluted). I've been told to make a few modifications to new rifles to get the most out of them.

Here's what I'm thinking (based on what I've been told):
1. Bedding
2. Free floating
3. Lighten trigger to no more than 4lbs.


Anyone an expert out there that can support this advice? Or add to it? I have the 700 in 7mmMag and have been really happy with it. But it also needs the work mentioned above.

 

[Sully Jr.]

I just picked up a 700 cdl sf in .308. Got a Nikon Buckmaster scope in silver for it. Havent shot it yet, but I call it my purty gun. I'm interested also interested in what people have to say.

 

[bisonic]

IMHO most reasonably well made rifles (yours included) will outshoot the vast majority of hunters right out of the box. I'd focus my time and efforts on getting a good scope and practicing, practicing, practicing in as similar conditions as you'll face in the field (not bench rest). The other stuff is fine for ultra accuracy and totally unnecessary for 99+% of hunters.

 

[jerryt]

I own 5 of the Remington 700 all in 30-06. I have had all the trigger pulls switched to the lowest possible setting. If I am not mistaken it is 2 lbs. This really helps the accuracy out a lot. I good quality scope can make all the difference in the world. I started shooting a Remington 700 30-06 when I was ten. Dad would let me practice on squirrels at 200 yards. This year was the first time I used something other than a 30-06 to kill a big game animal. I still shot an Elk and a couple deer with them this year but I used a 270 to take down my Antelope in Likley this year at 457 yards but it was with a turreted scope.

 

[Huntr Pat]

You cannot go wrong with the 270.cal regardless of what model its the person behind the trigger. simple example I bought a Remnigton 270 from Walmart some time ago it was a model 710 with a Bushnell scope on it and bore sighted. I took it to the range and got it sighted in. I harvest many deer @ fhl, Hogs up to 230lbs @ fhl. Mouflon on the big island w/ doc cherry. So regardless what anyone tell you 270 is a great caliber for anyone regardless of age. Sure a great scope will make a world of difference if your pockets are over flowing $$$$. And it doesn't hurt to have the best optics you can afford. All I'm saying you done have to have the best to shoot good, you just got to practice with patience and know your equipment. A gun or a bow will only shoot the way a shooter shoots it.
jmo

 

[Bubblehide]

Having a good trigger pull that is still safe is something I highly recommend. I would also recommend a composite stock if the model your referencing doesn't come with one; they should be pre-floated. But you can't go wrong with everything on your list. But as was already implied, the gun is only going to be as accurate as the shooter (given an accurate gun).

 

[BossHog]

Great feedback. Thanks!

 

[Richmellott]

Did you guys see the Expose on the Remington 700 models, guns that were firing by themselves, due to a problem with the triggers? Just wondering...I watched the video, and it didn't seem sensationalist to me...in fact, Walker, the designer of the trigger mechanism, is in it, talking about internal issues at Remington. Check it out.
CNBC airs documentary on Remington 700 rifle accidental discharges - National Blogosphere Buzz | Examiner.com

 

[Fishspanker]

Bosshog,

IMO, you can do all those mods you mentioned but the difference is going to be minimal on the hunting field. I own 4 M700 and two have those mods and more and two don't. The difference @100 is about .25-.35 MOA with handloads. I would concentrate more $$$ on optics instead of mods, for now but if your pockets are deep, then get what you want and never look back. Good luck.

 

[myfriendis410]

I own two 700's and both have all of the mods you describe (plus some). If you are at all handy, you can do the work yourself with little more than a dowel with sandpaper, some TruOil, nail polish, jeweler's screwdrivers, trigger pull gauge and a glass bedding kit from Brownells. The typical factory setup on the 700 is slight upward pressure on the barrel--you will see it when you take the barreled action out of the stock.

Do an internet search on glass bedding procedures and the specific trigger adjustment procedure; it will show you all you need to know and is not particularly difficult to do.

As to the importance of this please remember that the three most important things about shooting accurately are the trigger, the trigger and the trigger. Get a good scope. Shoot a lot. (no hardship there)

The particular benefits you will gain from free-floating the barrel and glass bedding are: minimal change of zero between changes in elevation and humidity and; less sensitivity to different loads changing your zero. You may find a 130 gr. and a 140 gr. load to go to nearly the same point of impact on the target--a good thing with expensive factory ammo!

As to a minimal improvement in functional accuracy; I disagree! My Remington LSS (laminate stainless steel) had an 8 lb. factory trigger pull. That's awful. Not conducive to accurate shooting--I'd have to take a Valium after shooting five rounds at the range.

Be sure to shoot a group before modifying the rifle, and save the target for a baseline comparison. If it isn't WAY better after doing all the work on it, I would be amazed.

Good luck!

 

[Sully Jr.]

I saw the documentary on the Walker trigger also.
The CDL SF comes with the X Mark Pro trigger, not the Walker. It supposedly will not have the same problems with "Remington Moments". With proper firearm safety they should not be an issue anyway, but a rifle firing on its own is a big deal IMO.

 

[BossHog]

I saw the CNBC special and Remington's response. I certainly am no fan of the hard left media in TV, but as a gun enthusiast and supporter of our gun rights, I was disappointed in Remington's response. They have much more responsibility in ensuring the longevity of our right to bear arms. I get it... limit risk by not admitting anything... at least that's what Remington's attorneys are telling them. But why not say, "We stand behind our product. If there's a problem out there and there's a pattern - we'll fix it."

We were hunting last week and my Dad's 700 in 30-06 fired when he flipped the safety to fire (in order to extract a live round). He's done nothing to the gun since he bought it. Remington told him they'd fix it, but he'd have to pay $25 and the shipping was on him both ways ($90 each way!). Granted the gun was bought in 1978, but he kept it stock. So Remington's claim that there is no gun out there that fires when the safety is flipped to fire - WRONG!

And please no responses about muzzle safety. We know how to safely carry firearms and to always keep guns pointed in a safe direction. The bigger point is... who buys a gun knowing that it might fire unexpectadely? No one!

Remington - your response isn't helping our cause.

 

[inchr48]

I have an older Remington .22 LR (Model 581). Once while target shooting, my wife pulled the trigger with the safety on, and the gun didn't fire (as it is supposed to be). When she flipped the safety off, the rifle fired (safely downrange). With an empty chamber, I could never get the gun to fire again by flipping the safety off when I hadn't touched the trigger. Pulling the trigger while on safe appears to release the sear, but the safety prevents firing. Releasing the safety then allows the firing pin to be struck, at least in the rifle I have.

 

[BossHog]

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I have an older Remington .22 LR (Model 581). Once while target shooting, my wife pulled the trigger with the safety on, and the gun didn't fire (as it is supposed to be). When she flipped the safety off, the rifle fired (safely downrange). With an empty chamber, I could never get the gun to fire again by flipping the safety off when I hadn't touched the trigger. Pulling the trigger while on safe appears to release the sear, but the safety prevents firing. Releasing the safety then allows the firing pin to be struck, at least in the rifle I have.

That's exactly the problem. Trigger is intentionally or unintentionally pulled while on safety and when the safety is flipped to fire - Boom!

 

[Richmellott]

I liked the fact that BossHog misspelled Grammar...but in any case, the fact that Remington acted like Ford, and Toyota, in looking at costs and then using denial to actually try to save their profit margin cost them a lot of their reputation. When will these corporations realize that it's in their best interest not to deny, but to provide the highest form of service, that of listening to and responding to their customers. That's what really builds brand loyalty. I would love to own a Remington 700, as long as I knew that they'd stand behind it, if there were any problems, because perception of defensiveness is always going to bring about a lost customer, who will then spout off about it, and create a bigger loss.

 

[BossHog]

I liked the fact that BossHog misspelled Grammar...but in any case, the fact that Remington acted like Ford, and Toyota, in looking at costs and then using denial to actually try to save their profit margin cost them a lot of their reputation. When will these corporations realize that it's in their best interest not to deny, but to provide the highest form of service, that of listening to and responding to their customers. That's what really builds brand loyalty. I would love to own a Remington 700, as long as I knew that they'd stand behind it, if there were any problems, because perception of defensiveness is always going to bring about a lost customer, who will then spout off about it, and create a bigger loss.

Thanks for the grammre lessun - Champ! :smiley_doh:

 

[Richmellott]

Sorry, BossHogg, been working in a middle school too long. i don't give a sh** who spells what right or wrong, as long as they're having fun. By the way, you misspelled Chump! :chainsaw: