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Now that we have shot this stuff for a little over a month, what do you think? I have my own opinion, I would like to see how it lines up with everyone else's
 

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I am coming down for Thanksgiving I will be shooting bismuth. No steel is going through my 28
 

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Smart move, the steel is not to great for a lot of guns. Sidelined a few of my old guns that I like to shoot. A lot of the wads available for reloading are extra thick and tough for barrel protection, also you can use mylar wraps to increase barrel protection. I am still not shooting any steel out of my old classic guns.
 

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I switched from Federal to Kent with my 20g and the Kent seems to suck a lot less so far. Picked up primers, powders, etc today for the .410 to try loading those myself since they are small and the shelf prices for those suck even for lead. Will probably do some bismuth loads at some point so I can mess around with the old one that has a full choke.
 

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Started using on Carrizo two years ago for dove and quail. Had best success with no 6 Bismuth
 

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I've been looking for load data with Bismuth with no luck. Care to share your source on where to get the shot and data?
Thanks.
 

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Not a lot of .410 data available, especially for steel/bismuth. Precision Reloading Inc, BPI (Ballistic Products), Lyman Shot shell Reloading Handbook 5th, Hodgdon online shot shell reloading www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun, and RSI (Reloading Specialies Inc.) . There are 15 .410 steel loads in the back of the BPI "Status of Steel" manual. You want to set the performance benchmark, for your reloads to be better than store bought ammo. The thing to remember is that these companies, that provide shot shell reloading components, are in business to sell you products, so take their spin with a grain of salt. There is money to be saved reloading these sub gauge shells.
 

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Yeah my daughter just passed her hunter ed last week, got her license, and will take her out tomorrow for her first time. The price of .410 in the store is a joke. I already hand loaded some lead target loads as a test just with tools I just made. Still trying to find something better to use as a second stage crimp starter. It'll take her a bit of shooting to get better with the small bore and I'm not going to buy that much .410 at $12 or $17 a box when reloads will be -$5 on those little shells.
 

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It might be difficult to fab up a final crimp die at home. One of those 100% hand reloading set ups may have a final crimp die that will work.
 
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Seems to work good using Kent faststeel. I’ve found to go with high velocity with steel works best.

Only problem is I’m practicing with lead since it’s much cheaper so I may have take up reloading.

Any recommendations for a press.? I have experience with rifle and pistol but never shotgun...
 

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I have a MEC Size Master which is like the Chevrolet of reloaders, but it works well. One of my hunting buddies has a Spolar which is a work of machining art, at 4 times the price. The MEC is a good starting point.
 

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Yeah my daughter just passed her hunter ed last week, got her license, and will take her out tomorrow for her first time. The price of .410 in the store is a joke. I already hand loaded some lead target loads as a test just with tools I just made. Still trying to find something better to use as a second stage crimp starter. It'll take her a bit of shooting to get better with the small bore and I'm not going to buy that much .410 at $12 or $17 a box when reloads will be -$5 on those little shells.
Great job ,Kudos to your daughter on her Hunter ed class. On that .410- those pattern erratically. It makes it hard to hit things for a beginner. I found that a youth model 20 gauge works a lot better. Cheaper ammo also and more hunting choices.
 

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These 410s are shooting a 1/2 oz. of steel shot, makes it real tough to hit much. The 20 w/ a Limbsaver Butt Pad is a better choice.
 

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It's only 3/8 oz of steel in the 3" shells, lol. She's small so the Mossberg Bantham 510's are the only gun's with a short enough length of pull for her to use now. I thought the 20 would kick too much for her on a tiny shotgun like that, particularly when we first got it.
 

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drill two holes in the stock then cut it off to length. Later you can dowel the stock back together,it will be good as new
 

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We ended up having 4 great Mourning Dove hunts during the second season. We had pretty good results shooting steel #6 shot at dove.

We went over and hunted Chukar on the desert and used HW13 #6 shot on the Chukar. For shooting Chukar I don't mind shooting the more expensive shot because it works so much better than lead shot and way better than steel shot.

If you reload shotgun shells and live in California BPI has a sale on the 15g/cc #7 shot. This lead free #7 shot works great on ducks, pheasants, Chuckar and turkeys. This 15g/cc #7 shot really makes great 28 ga and 20 ga loads. 15g/cc shot is right at 35% denser than lead so it is almost unbelievable on how good it works.


BPI won't have this 15g/cc #7 shot forever so now is the time to get together with some of your hunting buddies and buy 20 pounds of this shot for hunting ducks, Chukar and Turkeys.

Check out below how 15g/cc #7 shot compares to lead #6 shot and steel #3 shot.
From KPY Shoptshell Ballistics.
1500 fps steel #3 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 39.7 yards and has about 152 pellets in 1 oz.
1300 fps lead #6 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 44.5 yards and has about 224 pellets in 1 oz.
1200 fps 15g/cc #7 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 71.1 yards and has about 219 pellets in 1 oz.

Look at the pellet count per ounce between the lead #6 shot and the 15g/ccc #7 shot. Each 15g/cc #7 shot pellet weighs more than each lead #6 shot pellet does.
 

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I'm going to be sticking with Kent #6 Steel Dove for the 20g for dove and quail. Probably go the same route with the 12g as well.

I would definitely consider hand loading the tungsten for chukar, next time I go out I'm going to take some of the #4 I have or maybe grab some 3" duck loads. Last time I went I hiked 13 miles and took 4 shots. Two of those shots bobbled the birds a little but they kept going. The steel #6's just didn't do it at longer ranges. Sucks to have hiked all that hard terrain, find birds, but come home empty handed because the ammo didn't have the range. Not looking to get $450 worth though.
 


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