Study: Military gays don't undermine unit cohesion

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress should repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy because the presence of gays in the military is unlikely to undermine the ability to fight and win, according to a new study released by a California-based research center. The study was conducted by four retired military officers, including the three-star Air Force lieutenant general who in early 1993 was tasked with implementing President Clinton's policy that the military stop questioning recruits on their sexual orientation.

"Evidence shows that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly is unlikely to pose any significant risk to morale, good order, discipline or cohesion," the officers states.

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So many jokes aching to come out, but I will leave it alone.
 

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And so many studies to be done.
I should go out and take a poll to see how many citizens are concerned about the connection between gays and pedophiles. See even I can make up statistics if pressed to...
It was a joke so lighten up...
 

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It's obvious to me these guys have never spent time in an infantry unit, or similar situation. Having done so myself I have personally seen how one person can be a very negative influence on morale, cohesion, focus, and attitudes. You may not agree, but you can't force people to share your views. The majority of people who proudly serve are for the most part conservative minded folks who are very set in their ways and shouldn't be forced into a uncomfortable situation. These soldiers need to feel completely comfortable with the guy by his side in order to bond into a brotherhood that is needed to be successful on the battlefield. I supppose if the military was comprised of mostly liberals it may have a different view, but it is not.
 

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Its interesting to note that many armies allow gays to serve openly in combat including the Israelis and British with no ill affects. gays have served in the US military since the Revolutionary War and some have earned medals for bravery. I don't know how US soldiers feel about gays but in the Korean War white southerners learned how to fight side by side with northern blacks . There may have been a few donnybrooks but they learned how to get along. Gays have served openly now in law enforcement and I haven't heard of them being any less brave then hetrosexuals . I don't see why if we have to have a draft my hetrosexual sons could be drafted while someone with gay sons gets to sit it out. I seem to recall during the Vietnam war some guys were able to get out of serving by saying that they were gay. If some one can do the job then we shouldn't worry about their orintation.

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I can see why our usual posters are avoiding this topic.

#1. Serving in the Armed Forces is a privilege not a right. You can be rejected for physical, mental, or moral deficiencies.

#2. The Armed Services make the rules of membership, not the ACLU. They can impose whatever restrictions they want. After all, winning wars, not popularity contests, are their business.

#3. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The U.S. Armed Forces have proudly been winning wars since 1781 or so. There are no shortage of qualified volunteers using existing criteria. Why upset the apple cart to satisfy social engineers.

#4. There's always the Peace Corps.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
...including the three-star Air Force lieutenant general...[/b]
Well, that explains it. Just kidding Jesse.
 

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Since when does the government admit they made a mistake?
 

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Musty interesting points. However military service has always been an obligation even during the pre -independence period able bodied white males were required to serve in the militia .If we keep on invading other countries we will have to obligate men maybe even woman to serve in the armed forces. the armed forces don't make the rule the president does an example being when President Truman ordered the US Military to eliminate the all Afro-American units and have Afro-Americans and all the other races serve together. Yes there were some brawls but boys will be boy and folks learned how to get along. The US does not always win such has Vietnam , Lebanon and Somalia and Iraq and Afganistan it remains to be seen. No one wins all the time just like sports. Gay folks can kill just like anyone else. An extreme example was Major Rohm of the German Army he was highly decorated in WWI and led the Nazi Brown Shirts in no holds brawls against the Communist and Socialists in Weimar Germany. Many gays have served and been decorated in the US Military. If there willing to kill for their country and if other nations currently engaged in combat such has Canada, the UK and Israel have gay soldiers serving with non gays then so should we.

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study released by a California-based research center!!!!!

That right there says it all.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (leftyhunter @ Jul 14 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Canada, the UK and Israel have gay soldiers serving with non gays then so should we.
Leftyhunter[/b]


They also have socialized medicine. Does that mean we should too?
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
The US does not always win such has Vietnam[/b]
We won every battle in Vietnam. Talk down about our dead men, and you can kiss my ass. They're my friends and family. And they fought for you and yours.
 

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Atwater's right. The Armed Forces didn't lose the war in Vietnam or any of the other places Lefty mentioned. The war in Vietnam was already won in 1971 when a hard fought victory was given away by the likes of Ted Kennedy, Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and John Kerrey. The politicians may have stopped us on the verge of victory, but we didn't lose it.

I don't see conscription coming back anytime soon. The time has passed when you could send someone a letter in the mail and expect to see their bright smiling face at the induction center.

As long as we can fill the ranks with qualified volunteers, why lower standards?

This reminds of a recent proposal to bunk California prison inmates of different races in prison cells so they would all learn to get along. I'd like to see that the person that made that proposal get locked up with the Booty Bandit. Some ideas are just too ridiculous to consider. If you put a rat and a snake together, do they make peace? Nope.
 

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I to had friends who fought in Vietnam. No the US soldiers didn't lose the war the war was lost because the white middle and upper class didn't want their kids drafted to fight a war that wasn't worth the sacrifice. Young Bush and Cheney being to good examples. I am not kissing anybodies ass unless they are young rich and female. When the communists won in Vietnam were our freedoms taken away? When we normalized relations with communist Vietnam which Mccain very much was in favor of did we lose our freedoms then? My point is gays have served in the US Military and they are currently openly serving in combat and they can do so for us. Has far has socialized medicine it is already here with medicare and the health families program and it will be our medical model in the near future.

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Cohesion:

1: the act or state of sticking together tightly; especially : unity <the lack of cohesion in the Party — Times Literary Supplement>
2: union between similar plant parts or organs
3: molecular attraction by which the particles of a body are united throughout the mass.

--Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary

:)
 

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