Tag Allotments

['Ike']

This is not a dispute type thread!

I only want to know what some feel is a fair Non-resident percentage for tags in another state? I travel to several states every year, personally I feel that 10-15% should be set aside for Non-residents....

 

[BOWUNTR]

I agree with 10- 15 %. Ed F

 

[eddiehsf]

I would like see 15% - 20% since some states set aside tags for Outfitters/Landowners.

If none of the tags went to Outfitters/landowners the 15% would be fine.

My

eddiehsf

 

[wmidbrook]

no comment from me....I'll take what I can get (legally)

Of course, I'd like to complicate the heck out of it with a formula (....go chop down the mightiest tree in the forest...with A HERRING...neee~!)....proportional to the % of non-resident applicants.

 

['Ike']

Knew this would get you Bill!!!

 

[COHunter]

Premium Units 10-15%

General Units 20%

And I'd say do away with Outfitter & Landowner Tags

 

[Oregon Archer]

10-15%. I think this would be adequate for most states.

 

[wmidbrook]

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Knew this would get you Bill!!![/b]

Can't seem to sit on the sidelines and keep my yap shut on this one....but, I'd sure feel a whole lot better if I just let this one play out....I've spewed enough on this subject to last a while.....

For whatever reason, I have "fairness" issues that stem back to the time my kindergarten teacher wasn't fair and was discriminatory letting the girls out into the playground before the boys....it was downhill from there.

"My inner child hunter" suffers deeply. I'm deeply scarred and forever twisted thanks to her.....

So, I may have sounded like a bitter, sour grape, so I'll focus that energy on planning a hunt to the BitterRoot wilderness instead and get ready for next season instead....

 

['Ike' @ HM]

I hear ya, makes me want to

myself every once in a while.....

Of course I didn't have the "kindergarten" issues growing up!

 

[Tom Petterson]

Think of this from the resident's perspective.

If it was your state and your tags that were being given to out of staters how many would you want to give away? I would like a tag as much as the next person but in some states the out of staters would take all the tags if it was a open draw with no limits. I know that I would be really unhappy if all the CA tags went to out of staters and I did not get to hunt. Remember in NV and other states if you don't draw a tag you don't get to hunt

We need to be respectful of the hunting rights of the locals too and not just the people with the most money and # of applications.Most of the out of state people hunt in there own home state also but for the residents this may not be an option for many reasons to go somewhere else to hunt so they don"t get to hunt. Remember we are all in this together and we need to be supportive of hunting and shooting sports, and if it happens to them it could happen to you. just my skewed perspective.

 

['Ike' @ HM]

HEY!!! Dang it, you even got me out there for a bit!!! This is a 'NO' dispute zone!!!

Just want to know what a fair quota/percentage is? Dang you Bill!!!

 

[jlostrander]

I don't know what is correct. 10,15 or 20%.

The system is crazy when you think of all the states having different systems and people trying to figure the systems out.

For example. How many are waiting for the exact AZ. regs so they can figure them out and them put in or not put in for the drawing.

In some instances people are putting in and hoping they don't get drawn this year, but want to keep getting the points. I know many offer the chance to buy a bonus point and that is good.

It is all just complicated. Really only the dedicated or the people with serious money will be able to experience the hunts.

I will just say 20%.

And for all those saying, what comes around goes around. I am all for California managing it's big game even further. Meaning limit the tags and go for better ratios and better hunting for those who get the tags. I am fine with them doing this and making 20% of those tags available to out of state hunters. California could have excellent oppurtunity if managed better.

 

[Mr.Redneck]

I guess it depends on the state, and the "draw" to that particular state for it's hunting. Whitetail tags are over-the-counter nearly everywhere you go, and there really are minimal limits on allotments, except for in IL. But Elk, are a completely different story. I am awaiting my results for my draw in CO right now, and tomorrow is the last day to apply. The unit I put in for is a draw unit, but has been nearly 100% over the past 5yrs. so I feel pretty confident, but I still must make the draw. I also feel like we out-of-state hunters are gouged when it comes to the price of tags, but those are the breaks. It is sad that with the way a lot of big game hunting is going, it will be a sport for the rich, when trophies are involved, if something doesn't change. Any of you guys want to hunt Whitetail, come to OH, we have plenty, esp. if you like to Archery hunt.

I think the positive aspect of the increased prices and ltd. number of tags, ensures that most guys will hunt hard and ethically, because they have a fair amount invested in their "Fair."

 

[fritojay]

it really is a tough issue.i understand res. hunters feeling they deserve the vast majority of the tags,but i think the reason this will end up being everyone in the same hat for the draw is that most of the hunting is done on federal land and we all own it.(heck i just want my nevada deer tag.4 years trying with no luck is KIILING me).
fritojay

 

[jlostrander]

I don't know what is fair!

However, after looking at this

http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/public_meetings/march_rac/3.pdf

It doesn't feel fair! So, I think I know now what is not fair.

If you know what I mean?

 

[COHunter]

Seems fair to me. We get about 10% of the Tags when there are enough.

I want one of those "Book Cliffs" Limited Entry Deer Tags, but I gotta wait my turn until I draw. I think the folks in Utah should get the majority of tags cause they live there, I can still hunt at home.

Going "out of state" is a bonus hunt for every hunter

 

[brknarrow]

not from co. but i think residents should come first and left over for out of staters. will be hunting garfield county this year hopfully

 

[pig guide]

10-15 % is very much adequate. JUST my wee humble opinion. But, how many people realize that only Ca. residents may purchase and or apply for an Elk tag, UNLESS, it is a ranch with landowner tags who are in the Private Land Management program.

To do away with landowner/Outfitter tags would be unreasonable and not even remotely close to wise for any and all involved. It is a benefit to those who own their own land, to help control populations. Ya see, they pay huge taxes on those properties as it is anyway and then to make them purchase their tags would just be wrong.
Then, if you take away the Outfitter tags, where are you going to turn, if you don't get drawn and you really wanted to go on an Elk hunt. These are Wise Officials, who are thinking of the Benefits of the hunting and the income from tourism. These tags are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.
I myself am willing to spend the money needed to insure that I am goping to be abale to hunt. BUT! I do believe that alot of the states are becoming increasingly more greedy in their fees for Elk tags especially.
U.S.Outfitters doesn't help the cause of the ordinary fellow who is trying to hunt out of state at all. This outfit is really stirring up the water in most of the states they hunt with lawsuits and just generally making a nuisance of himself.
As far as fair. The really is no such thing as fair. Life is not fair. There is way to much emphasis on being fair. We need to just face the facts and get on with it.
I am awaiting word on my Elk tag submission on the 29th. It will be $800.00 if I am drawn. Pricey??? Oh hell yes. Unhappy? No way. I never put a price on my own happiness. I would never leave the house.

It is really difficult at best to say what is right and wrong with the fees.
Good luck to you all in your quests to be drawn.

 

[eddiehsf]

Hey Pig Guide and others

How would you feel about this?

Land owner gets 3 Bull Tule Elk tags a year and 10 Cow Tags. I would like to see the DFG say to qualify for the tags you can sell 2 Bull Elk tags and 8 cow tags, but the third bull and 2 cow tags must be put in the standard Big Game Drawing for anyone. The person who draws then gets to hunt the Private land. This would do 2 things the landowner would still get to make $$ and some "average" joe who does not have the $10,000.00 would get a shot at a great hunt.

eddiehsf

 

[pig guide]

Eddiehsf.... AMEN TO THAT.. I agree whole heartedly to that. But. I say 2 bulls and 50% of the cow Elk hunts are dedicated to Adult/child hunts. Butr then again, I am dead set on Goernment telling me what I can do with my OWN land. Ya know. It just harkens to the same cause and effect as the Terri Shiavo case. Goernment interferrence.
DAMN! We just can't win. BUT! I am still with you.