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One look at Tejon Ranch and you will see why the drive, stalk, and shoot a popular method. 270,000 acres is a bit difficult to walk. But you can hunt it anyway you wish. Feel free to book a hunt and tell them you want to walk it!
It is an awesome game ranch that is extemely well managed.
I guess you have to see the place to understand their methods.
Kinda like pen hunting in Texas. Sounds pretty easy to me, but I've never done it, so I guess I can't comment.
mudhen - CA
It is an awesome game ranch that is extemely well managed.
I guess you have to see the place to understand their methods.
Kinda like pen hunting in Texas. Sounds pretty easy to me, but I've never done it, so I guess I can't comment.
mudhen - CA
mudhen.. easy with the pen hunting comments.. There are plenty of canned hunts in Cali too.. There are a lot of high fence places here, but there is also a LOT of private land and some public land too.. I know that muddyz hunts a good bit of public land and has not hunted high-fence.. Just want to make sure your not pointing fingers...
Just cause I am from Texas doesn't mean I "pen" hunt. In fact I work hard to make sure I am far away from anything of the likes. Not sure how the size of the place forces you to drive around to hunt.
By the way, only half the state is like that. You might try reading about East Texas. Its actually like real hunting with woods and stuff. The only road shots you may have will be down the road in front of you or behind you.
By the way, only half the state is like that. You might try reading about East Texas. Its actually like real hunting with woods and stuff. The only road shots you may have will be down the road in front of you or behind you.
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You mean like the Hill County of Kimble County and Junction and places like that?
By far, those areas are my favorite for pure wild!
Everything there stings and bites and even the turkeys are mean!
My point is that a negative comment was made without apparent foundation. Seems fair that folks should be called out for those types of comments.
I merely stated that I don't make those kinds of comments.
No finger pointing here, but thanks for your input!
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By far, those areas are my favorite for pure wild!
Everything there stings and bites and even the turkeys are mean!
My point is that a negative comment was made without apparent foundation. Seems fair that folks should be called out for those types of comments.
I merely stated that I don't make those kinds of comments.
No finger pointing here, but thanks for your input!
mudhen - CA
Check my post again mudhen. I clearly state that I am reading into the authors statement.
Thanks for calling me out though. I will use the opportunity to again clearly state that I disagree with driving around in a truck, viewing game, parking the truck, getting out and using the truck as a rest to shoot from. That is not hunting no matter how large the acreage is.
Now I bet your going to ask if I have ever done this? The answer is no. Then you are going to ask if I was in the same situation would I do it? The answer is yes. I will kill any hog on sight if the opportunity is given. Now do I call it hunting? NO! Would I ever do this with a true game animal? NO. In Texas and Arkansas hogs are not considered game and it is legal to shoot them year round on private ground. In fact most land owners would kick you off their land if they heard of you passing up a shot. Wet sow, piglets or whatever. You better shoot 'em.
It seems fair to me that folks be called out for stories like this. I am not the only one who posed the question. Above the question of using the truck as a rest was brought up. While you quickly pointed out the legality has been tested and apparently approved, it is still clear to some of us the "road hunting" image this portrays. If you travel to many other parts of this county you may be suprised at the negative reception you will get from folks who have to deal with road hunters.
While I realize my comments may be negative, however it is my opinon and last time I checked we were all still free to provide that.
EDIT: Also regarding the location in Texas. I was referring more to the Piney Woods region East of Dallas anywhere along 1-20 or 1-30. Although the Hill Country fits my example as well.
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Excellent point about the title of 'game' animal being applied to Boss Hogg.
While they are treasured by most hunters here in Cali, I can absolutely see where they are pure nuisance where they are not wanted.
Don't know anything about road hunting. We have used parked vehicles as rests deep inside our private clubs.
Sure everyone is entitled to express their opinions, but that doesn't make those opinions right, right?........
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While they are treasured by most hunters here in Cali, I can absolutely see where they are pure nuisance where they are not wanted.
Don't know anything about road hunting. We have used parked vehicles as rests deep inside our private clubs.
Sure everyone is entitled to express their opinions, but that doesn't make those opinions right, right?........
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Agree. I am not right, i just have an opionion, same as yourself. If what you are doing is legally justified then so be it. I just get a bit razzed when I am reading all these posts and congrats while the whole time I am thinking something else.
Thanks for taking the time to read my post and consider another point of view. I can also see this perspective, although hunts are more fun for me when I have to walk a bit to get away from everything and if all goes well, drag my prize back out!
Thanks for taking the time to read my post and consider another point of view. I can also see this perspective, although hunts are more fun for me when I have to walk a bit to get away from everything and if all goes well, drag my prize back out!
Muddy Z,
During our recent Ham Slam at Tejon Ranch there were about 20 pigs taken. Some of the hunters ran into a little luck and crossed paths with their pigs as they were driving. Most hunters like myself had to walk quite a bit to find theirs. Most of the pigs shot that weekend were shot away from main roads. None of the hunters on the Ham Slam were intending to road hunt, it just happened that while some of them were out hunting they ran into a little luck. Aside from the few hunters who get lucky, Tejon Ranch is a tough hunt. There are canyons that are close to a mile deep and a lot of the pigs are taken at the bottom of them after a lot of walking. Next year why don't you join us at the Ham Slam and experience it for yourself? It is a wonderful place to hunt. You are welcome to share camp with me.
Dave
During our recent Ham Slam at Tejon Ranch there were about 20 pigs taken. Some of the hunters ran into a little luck and crossed paths with their pigs as they were driving. Most hunters like myself had to walk quite a bit to find theirs. Most of the pigs shot that weekend were shot away from main roads. None of the hunters on the Ham Slam were intending to road hunt, it just happened that while some of them were out hunting they ran into a little luck. Aside from the few hunters who get lucky, Tejon Ranch is a tough hunt. There are canyons that are close to a mile deep and a lot of the pigs are taken at the bottom of them after a lot of walking. Next year why don't you join us at the Ham Slam and experience it for yourself? It is a wonderful place to hunt. You are welcome to share camp with me.
Dave
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I have done hog hunting both from Texas & California. Shootings 20 yards at baited hogs(Texas) from a tree stand under a full moon, with 12 gauge slugs, 45-70, .338 mag., .300 mag. with laser sights, illuminated reticle scopes, spotlights. The hogs don't stand a chance, but it keeps the freezer full of delicious chow and I love every minute of it. I have also done California pigs with spot & stalk, running at full bore to cut off the hogs at the next hillside & shoot at long range. I love that too. Do I really spin wheels figuring out if either is hunting or harvesting or shooting or terminating. No, not really. All I really care about is staying legal, being ethical with the landowner or the guide and cooking and eating all that delicious meat. Word play is mostly subjective. We are losing hundreds of thousands of acres of good hunting ground every year to development and losing in our legal and customary hunting/shooting rights and privileges that I am just so happy to be able to go out there, find game, hit it and bring home the bacon and keep the landowner and the guide (and the law) happy and eager to invite me back. I am having fun and it is a win, win situation for everyone, so call it what you like. It is all word play to me. Hunt, shoot, harvest, terminate, I will leave the debate to you gents & ladies while I do the hitting (er hunt? shoot? harvest? terminate?) and the eating. Cheers!!!
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geez guys...
What is this texas verse california? Come on.
What is this texas verse california? Come on.
The problem is that the terrain is too different in both states.. I have seen the pics of Tejon and that place is gorgeous with the hills and canyons.. But, it is also very open and it looks like the spot and stalk method would work really well. We do not have very many (if any) places like that here.. Even in the hill country the mountains have way too many trees and underbrush to spot them like that.. So you have to use other methods... dogs, feeders, etc... It is just different, not better or worse.. It also depends on where in this state you are hunting.. The pigs around where I live act TOTALLY different than pigs I have hunted in other parts of the state.. I think that a lot of people out there are under the assumption that if you hunt under a feeder it is a no-brainer.. That is definitely not the case whether you are hunting deer or pigs.. We still have to find them and figure a way to get them.. I too have stepped out of the truck on the ranch and blasted coyotes, pigs, etc.. Just never really called it hunting.... But got rid of some pesky critters that we did not want around...
bighorn:
I have read enough on here to know that the majority of the folks on here don't mind a hard, long hunt. I really appreciate the offer to share camp and I know we would have a blast, but I have to save my time and money for my true passion, elk or deer. I only hunt hogs as an offseason practice.
Larry:
Its pretty clear that you have now entered this debate by posting! Mudhen and I are discussing and if you read my last post clearly I am not stating that any one person is correct or not so far as they are within the law. Also if you want to make those 20 yard shots more challenging try using some archery equipment!
Norcalihunter:
I don't think this is Texas vs California at all. This is a discussion regarding hunting methods and they just happen to vary significantly between the two states. If you don't like it, why did you read the whole page?
Coondog makes some good points about the alternate methods. Also hogs are some of the smartest animals out there. Contrary to what most think, they are not really that blind.
I have spent most of my hog hunting time on public land where baiting and night hunting is not allowed. I also choose to hunt with my bow, making the challenge even more difficult. As coondog said, Texas does not have the hills and canyons, we are very flat here. My hunts have all been spot/stalk, but usually it is more like stalk and then hope you spot them before they spot you. Then you have to find an opening clear enough to send an arrow through. Not so easy huh?
I have read enough on here to know that the majority of the folks on here don't mind a hard, long hunt. I really appreciate the offer to share camp and I know we would have a blast, but I have to save my time and money for my true passion, elk or deer. I only hunt hogs as an offseason practice.
Larry:
Its pretty clear that you have now entered this debate by posting! Mudhen and I are discussing and if you read my last post clearly I am not stating that any one person is correct or not so far as they are within the law. Also if you want to make those 20 yard shots more challenging try using some archery equipment!
Norcalihunter:
I don't think this is Texas vs California at all. This is a discussion regarding hunting methods and they just happen to vary significantly between the two states. If you don't like it, why did you read the whole page?
Coondog makes some good points about the alternate methods. Also hogs are some of the smartest animals out there. Contrary to what most think, they are not really that blind.
I have spent most of my hog hunting time on public land where baiting and night hunting is not allowed. I also choose to hunt with my bow, making the challenge even more difficult. As coondog said, Texas does not have the hills and canyons, we are very flat here. My hunts have all been spot/stalk, but usually it is more like stalk and then hope you spot them before they spot you. Then you have to find an opening clear enough to send an arrow through. Not so easy huh?
I think the thing to consider here is the "Tejon" topography. It is made up of very high ridges 5000-6000 ft, and very deep canyons. The recommended way (by the Tejon staff) to hunt this is to drive the ridges and glass all the surrounding hillsides and canyons. Pigs may be in one canyon, or another canyon 10 miles away.
The hunters are limited to basically 2 to 2 1/2 days hunting time, for your $300.00 ($400.00 next year). If you hunt totally on foot, you will only be able to hunt a very small area of the ranch. Many of the canyons are so steep and deep, that recovering a animal could take 8-10 hours! So to hunt more then 1 or 2 canyons on foot during the alloted hunting time is a impossiblility.
It would be differant if this was public land where you could hunt several weekends during the year. It would also be differant if this was flat land or rolling hills. But it's not. The first time I was there we had a JHO member shoot a pig at around 2pm. He and his 3 partners tried to get the pig out of the canyon untill about 1am. Best they could do was get it gutted and moved about half way back to the vehicle. The next day they had to go back with one of the guides on a quad, and they still had to cut the pig in half and carry it up the canyon on their backs for a couple more hours.
The hunters are limited to basically 2 to 2 1/2 days hunting time, for your $300.00 ($400.00 next year). If you hunt totally on foot, you will only be able to hunt a very small area of the ranch. Many of the canyons are so steep and deep, that recovering a animal could take 8-10 hours! So to hunt more then 1 or 2 canyons on foot during the alloted hunting time is a impossiblility.
It would be differant if this was public land where you could hunt several weekends during the year. It would also be differant if this was flat land or rolling hills. But it's not. The first time I was there we had a JHO member shoot a pig at around 2pm. He and his 3 partners tried to get the pig out of the canyon untill about 1am. Best they could do was get it gutted and moved about half way back to the vehicle. The next day they had to go back with one of the guides on a quad, and they still had to cut the pig in half and carry it up the canyon on their backs for a couple more hours.
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Muddy,
When I first went to that Houston area ranch of my friend in 2000, there was no traffic jam on the road after the exit from the freeway. At night, on the 7 miles of rural road to his ranch, I find myself the only car on the road. One year later subdivisions and a golf course sprang up & is still building non-stop. Now there is cantankerous rush hour traffic jams and now even at night that rural road has cars moving in both directions. It may be shortly that the community will not tolerate gunfire any longer. In that case, we may resort to crossbows. So your archery suggestion may be fortuitous. I am just a gun nut at heart, but certainly, will try crossbow if that is what will be allowed on those beloved, tasty hogs. Sigh, sigh.....When I first came to L.A. in 1973, there was no Freeway 14 to Palmdale. All of Palmdale was open land. We would harvest tons of jackrabbits just a mile from the Highway 395 in the Quartz Hill area of Palmdale, that now is a high end residential area of the city of Palmdale(located northeast of L.A.). Have to cut short all these reminiscing, getting too long on this post.
God Bless, larrysogla
When I first went to that Houston area ranch of my friend in 2000, there was no traffic jam on the road after the exit from the freeway. At night, on the 7 miles of rural road to his ranch, I find myself the only car on the road. One year later subdivisions and a golf course sprang up & is still building non-stop. Now there is cantankerous rush hour traffic jams and now even at night that rural road has cars moving in both directions. It may be shortly that the community will not tolerate gunfire any longer. In that case, we may resort to crossbows. So your archery suggestion may be fortuitous. I am just a gun nut at heart, but certainly, will try crossbow if that is what will be allowed on those beloved, tasty hogs. Sigh, sigh.....When I first came to L.A. in 1973, there was no Freeway 14 to Palmdale. All of Palmdale was open land. We would harvest tons of jackrabbits just a mile from the Highway 395 in the Quartz Hill area of Palmdale, that now is a high end residential area of the city of Palmdale(located northeast of L.A.). Have to cut short all these reminiscing, getting too long on this post.
God Bless, larrysogla
