The Family That Poaches Together...

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:mad-fumin-red:...You'll get even more pissed when you see how lame their fine was!!!!
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California Department of Fish and Game
June 15, 2009
Contact: Kirsten Macintyre, DFG Communications, (916) 322-8911

Three Generations of Poachers Brought to Justice in Colusa County
The Department of Fish and Game (DFG) recently closed a complicated poaching case involving three generations of a family from Williams.
Ronald Kemp, 74, Paul Kemp, 46, and Joseph Kemp, 20, were arrested by DFG wardens in January 2009 after a search warrant was executed on their home. Wardens discovered and seized four assault rifles, a stuffed curlew (a non-game bird), seven sets of deer antlers and various frozen meat packages.
Also found on the property were 47 goose tracking collars used to track the migratory flight patterns of snow geese, Ross’ geese and Tule geese. The collars from the Tule geese were part of a joint conservation study by DFG and the Alaska Department of Fish and Game and contained satellite transmitters that cost $5,000 apiece. The complete stash of collars found at the Kemps’ residence represents 35 percent of all goose collars ever recovered by the state.
Because of the range of crimes discovered, DFG’s overarching investigation required assistance from many fields of expertise - including scientists, biologists and wardens:
• Scientists from DFG’s Wildlife Forensics Laboratory examined samples extracted from the meat and found DNA unique to 14 different male deer, none of which corresponded to the antlers found at the residence. The Kemps could not produce valid deer tags to correspond with the meat or the antlers.
• DFG waterfowl biologists cross-referenced the serial numbers of the 47 goose collars with existing data logs in order to verify when and where the signals from the collars were lost.
• Game wardens were able to combine the biologists’ data with records of field observations of the Kemps’ hunting activity, thus confirming that many of the birds had been killed during the closed season on or near properties belonging to the Kemps.
"This case exemplifies the complexity of the work involved in protecting fish and wildlife from a wide range of illegal activity. The forensics, scientific data collection techniques, and detective work were integral to the success of this case," said DFG Director Donald Koch. "Poaching of California’s wildlife is always reprehensible, but this case also involved tampering with an important conservation study - which, ironically, is funded by the license and stamp fees paid by lawful hunters."
On May 27, 2009, the Kemps agreed to a plea bargain in Colusa County Superior Court, bringing the case to a close. Ronald Kemp pled guilty to obtaining a duplicate deer tag by fraud and taking and possessing an overlimit of deer. Paul Kemp pled guilty to one charge of taking a Tule Goose during the closed season, one deer violation relating to deer tags and one count of possession of an assault rifle. Joseph Kemp pled guilty to possessing assault rifles and failing to exhibit wildlife taken at the request of a game warden.
The grandfather, father and son were ordered to pay approximately $5,500 in fines and court costs. All three were placed on three years probation, the first year of which they are prohibited from hunting. All of the evidence was retained by DFG, at the order of the court.
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I really like the part of revoking their licenses :confused: there poachers they dont care if they have a license or not.
 

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This makes me sick. I wonder how many more generations this poaching will continue.........
 

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I guess one other way to look at it is that CA voters allowed 5,000 to 10,000 uncontrolled mammals to kill about a deer a week, and not be controlled population wise...

Just because they look like "house cats" - Mtn Lions.

10,000 lions times 52 deer a year = 520,000 deer killed by lions each year.

Human take (from hunting) is about 30,000 deer a year.

Imagine 5,000 to 10,000 human poachers killing a deer a week. All those poachers also reproducing unrestricted - other than limited by food (deer/elk/pig/turkeys/etc), of course.

IMHO most of the CA deer population isn't limited by food/water/shelter (habitat) - predators do most of it - and hunters are a VERY small fraction of the predator portion.

- Darryl
 

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If you don't like this please write the CA F&G Commission and ask that they do something. The wardens are wanting stiffer fines and felony charges against the commercial poachers, why not include the egregious poachers who are way WAY over the line with the slaughter all year long?
 

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The state should have seized their properties,sold them and paid for the money(time) lost for the goose study and forensics cost.Who do you think footed the bill for all that lost time(money)?Sell the ranch!And make them pay!
 

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They stole game and collars worth over $200k and they pay $5k in fines?? Not even the cost of one collar each??? What was the point of the arrest if there is no incentive for them to not do it again?

We get the same thing over here. People go out poaching and when they finally get caught they get a slap on the wrist. One well know poacher was fined in court a few years ago, less than $3000 dollars, and as he walked down the court house steps he was heard by local farmers (who attended to see him get justice) to say "What a bargain for all the shit I have shot over the years".:mad-fumin-red: He has a wing on his house for trophies (deer cost an average $1200 trophy fee) and he had to pay $3k for them all :confused-yellow:


There are amendments to the game laws being debated next week in Parliament that will mean forfeiture of cars and hunting equipment as well as big fines. I hope it gets through.
 

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Try to take just one eagle egg and see what happens.

This country has lost it.
 

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I tend to think that the fines were too low.

However, on the other hand; wardens said the animals were taken on the Kemps property. Do you reckon Sam Adams or John Hancock would have paid a fee to the government to hunt on their private property and then agree to abide by seasons and bag limits???????????
 

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Probably...

I tend to think that the fines were too low.

However, on the other hand; wardens said the animals were taken on the Kemps property. Do you reckon Sam Adams or John Hancock would have paid a fee to the government to hunt on their private property and then agree to abide by seasons and bag limits???????????
...Because unlike livestock, they would agree that the wild, free-roaming critters belonged to everyone, not to whoever's land they happened to be standing upon or flying over.
 

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...Because unlike livestock, they would agree that the wild, free-roaming critters belonged to everyone, not to whoever's land they happened to be standing upon or flying over.
So I suppose I can wander onto any private property to take one of those public animals? Me thinks not.

We have a local family who is always in the redlight roundup for poaching, growing dope and breaking & entering(robbery). Everyone knows who they are and what they do, but they always get just a the slap on the wrist.
Outlaw genes run deep and we are just hoping they don't pass them on...
 

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Me thinks not as well. That would be tresspassing, of course.

Again, one can own the land, but not the wild animals upon or flying over it.
 

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If you purposely put your cattle on my property, I have redress. In fact, after a while those cattle become mine.

But if the state allows "their" critters on my property, I have to follow their rules. If a kit fox has a den on my property, I cannot farm it. If a minnow needs more water, I cannot irrigate.

Do we really have private property in America anymore, or have we become a Socialist state where things "that belong to everyone" have preference over ownership?
 

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OK, OK, I'll play along ...but we're moving way beyond adhering to seasons and limits.

If one demands absolute control of his land and what goes on upon it, is it fair to then assume that he would in turn not ask for or expect any benefit from the public?

Should one be able to do whatever one wants upon his property?

Is there any value beyond its market value of a minnow or a kit fox?

Should the public's interest ever trump an individual's interest?
 

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Do we really have private property in America anymore, or have we become a Socialist state where things "that belong to everyone" have preference over ownership?
The way the fed government is acting, it looks that way right now...
 
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