Trail timer

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Jeff B

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Hi,
  I just stumbled onto this site looking for a way to make a game trail timer, it looks like I hit pay dirt!  I just started to read some of the stuff and for right now it looks like it is more towards trail cameras.  I hunt public land for deer, my super interest!!! I hate to take a chance losing a timer much less a camera and timer.  Are there any plans on building a multi-even timer.  I figure to start there and work my way up to the camera model.  I teach shop so maybe I have some back ground, not much in electronics but I guess I can learn. Posting and web sites are pretty new to me so please give me a break on this for awhile.  Thanks, Jeff  P.S. How much would this time cost?  OK one last thing, if I go with a camera uint, how much money to build???


(Edited by Jeff B at 11:29 am on Dec. 6, 2001)


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Hi Jeff,

welcome to the board!

There has been talk of building trail timers but the hang up is how to record the date/time.  What we hope to do is find some existing device that can be modified.  

Somebody noticed a printing calculator that prints the date/time on the ticker-tape, sounds interesting, may have some promise....

Caller ID units list date/time but turns out, that info comes from the phone company when the call comes in  :(

You got any ideas ? ? ?

BTW, somebody did come up with an "Event Counter" that keeps a count of triggers but not the date/time,  the plans are on Jesse's Main CamTrakker Page (I think that's where they are)

Tinhorn
 

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go back to the homebrew camera directions. There are directions for a timer for a camera.
http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com/homebrew-cams.html
If you will click on the the link on how to modify the rs 49-425 sensor and scroll down you will find a link to a timer. I don't thinkthis is is excactly what you are looking for, but maybe.
In my opinion, if you are going to take the time to build a timer, might as well spend the time to put it on a camera. Just lock it up.  There are other people on this board who place them on public land. Keep it hidden. I don't think there has ever been a massive camera theft problem, although I do think i remember someone who said that they saw a deer that had one of the cameras stuck in his antlers.:smile-blue
 

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Tinhorn,

How about a PIC Micro with a precision time/date chip attached using a EEprom for storage.  I have this working at home.  The chip keeps the time/date with a backup battery or super cap even with power turned off the main unit.  I have it self triggering right now for testing and sending the time/date/evencounter#/temperature/barometric pressure to a 9-pin serial port on my computer and displaying all this on my computer.  This could easily by sent to a serial LCD.  The clock so far has been extremely accurate.  Of course, it is in a controlled environment(MY HOUSE).

The little micros are just awesome to play with.  I even had it turning on LED's for alarms at a specific time and date or just time.

I bet it could be rigged up to an infrared sensor for and made to do just about anything.

Brian
 

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wow please post details and picts sounds great!
 

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Steve,

I am just playing with them in my spare time right now but hopefully over the next few months I will have something cool to show.

I have vacation I am going on again tomorrow and I will not be back for a week and a half.

So far everything works great.  I will check the accuracy of the clock again when I get home today.  Hopefully, it will be rock solid still.

I can see a million uses for these things already. Digitally controlled deer feeders, Digital Camera setups, so forth.

Talk to yall later,

Brian
 

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Wish I had access to a Burner      :(

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Hi Tinhorn,
And I wish I could write the code! Yup - a friend has a programmer!!
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Try a "google groups" search:
http://groups.google.com/
Search using the keywords pic & programmer
Turned up the following in a quick search. I think you could knock together one of these programmers easy!
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DT001 SimmStick Programmer Kit.
As well as being a full PICmicro development platform, this programmer
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operation. This means you don't have to move the PIC16F84 chip from the
programmer to a target board as they are one and the same. LOAD/RUN.
Straight away!! Hey, we can even do it now with the new all flash
PIC16F877 40 pin chips. And you don't need a SimmStick, as you are able
to use this principle with your own target board.
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DIY KIT-119 Serial PIC Programmer.
This 8, and 18 pin PICmicro programmer Kit runs off the Parallel Printer
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well, most of those kits have one less zero in the AMOUNT catagory than I thought it'd have     :)

I doubt I could Finger Out programming these critters either...

speaking of JoeD's timer  (Huh?)
I bet JoeD's timer could dispense with the Counter LED's and use the output as a Refresh Pulse    ;)

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 A guy i work with has a trail timer that he uses without the cam,i believe he told me it keeps the time and date.Ill ask agian,if it does and i take a pictures of the guts will that help any?i dont know a thing about electronics so that would be about the best i could do.
 Of course i could be wrong at what he said or he misunderstood me when i asked the guestion.ill find out sunday night
 

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Guys,

I am working on the trail timer now.  I am back from vacation.  I killed an eighteen point main frame ten that scored 161 6/8 gross.  The biggest deer I have ever killed.

Anyway the programmers can be made easily its the code that is difficult.

I also have a chip that simulates the refresh pulse that I asked ya'll questions about earlier.  JoeD's chip will do the same thing but he has used all the available I/O.  He could daisy chain more PICs but the sleep factor would need to be taken in account.

I have a serial LCD  working with a PIC that can be triggered by my PIR and it will store time and date in a EEPROM.  Then you can push a button and download the data via RS232 to a computer.  So far it works great.

The chips are awesome.  They can do just about anything.  I even thought of trying to build a board that could be added to other systems that would allow the time and date to be stored every time the PIR was triggered.  This way you could use a cheaper camera that did not have time and date on it.  All you would have to do is unplug a EEPROM from the unit and put another one in its place.  Take the one with you home and download the time and date with a sequence number of when they were taken and match them up with the pictures you have from the camera.  Presto,  time and date stamp.

I have lots of ideas but only so much time.

You really should look into the micros they are great.

Brian
 

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[I killed an eighteen point main frame ten that scored 161 6/8 gross.  ]

Ummmmm... you dont casually drop something like that Brian!  Where are the pictures man?!  The Details?  HOLY CRAP!  That's a big deer!

Congratulations!

That timer deal youre working on, Can you take a pic and post what the EEProm looks like?  Is it a little chip?

This sounds extremely promising, Temp and barometric pressure too?  That is just too cool.

What is the storage capacity of the eeprom?  For instance with the information being recorded how many hits will it register?

as an aside how much did it cost with peripheral I/O components?  Just curious
 

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Steve Jo,

I sent a picture to Arch to post for me since my software ran out on me.

I also sent him a picture of a Boone & Crockett that is still alive and lurking around.  Arch said he would try and post them for me soon.

I had two bucks fighting in front of me.  One was an eight point the other a ten point.  They were kicking the crap out of each other.  I could see blood running down one of their mouths and ears.  All of a sudden this big boy came running in from no where and stopped at about 50 yards.  The two bucks broke up and in the big one came.  I was so  nervous I almost couldn't shoot him.  I have never been so excited.  This is the first buck that got bigger after I shot him.  The deer was poor though.  I guess he had been running does so much he had lost a lot of weight.

I can't post a pic of the EEPROM yet because of the software problem but it is small.  Eight pins and holds up to 8K of eight bit data.  I am guessing a couple of hundred events could be logged on one chip. Depending on how much data you store in addition to the time and date and sequence number.

The chip costs about $2.00 and uses a three wire communications setup to the micro.  It was very easy to implement with the micro.

I had thought about trying to build the ultimate timer.  One that would give a refresh pulse, a count of the pics, multiple relay output pins for like digital or 35mm, time and date stamp for camera without, so forth.  I may post a link and get all the suggestions and then figure out which pic would do the job all in one package.  I think this would a popular chip if it could handle everything.  I could even have a software control for changing the timings manually.  This is all just a thought.  It would be similar to JoeD's timer except more versital.
 

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