U.S. Selective Service Prepares Test of Military Draft

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I sensed this would be around the corner. If the current agenda our president has established is to be sustainable, the draft would be inevitable and quite frankly....necessary! Our troops and reserves are tapped out. And, with a current 80% disapproval rate for the president and his war plans, can you imagine the nations reaction would be if the draft were reinstated? Can you say "coup".....cuz, I don't think most Americans have the patience anymore to kindly impeach him.
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What are you talking about "a coup" are you trying to sound treasonous to get someone to start a pissing match with you. I don't know where %80 comes from and you can thank Clintons military downsizing and base closure for the mad dash for troops. I am all for people talking about topics and if they must use made up poll numbers but you gotta draw the line at violent overthrowing of the office of the president regardless who's in power...
 

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LOL, Ok, so I am trying to incite some discussion at least. And, actually there are many recent polls that show numbers worse than what I stated. Here are some links to a couple of sources. One example is being used by conservative commentator Joe Scarborough.
 

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I know you obviously are not going to overthrow the President , and you always get good conversations going I don't trust the polls though because of all the little nuances involved in them. I took a few courses in J.C. with statistics and selective profiling of people who will tend to lean one way or another is a tool used by pollsters.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huntmuch @ Dec 24 2006, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I sensed this would be around the corner.[/b]


Democrat Charley Rangel has been calling for the draft for a year or more. The republicans will not re-instate the draft (although maybe they should).
 

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I think everyone that turns 18 should do at least two years of miltary service....Men and women...
 

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Interesting idea. In Israel Most Jewish men and woman and Druze and Ciricasions serve for three years and women can serve in combat and yes gays also serve in combat units. Muslims and Christians can volunteer a few do. I think Rangel wants a draft so that a president would be less likely to deploy troops if they come from all socio-economic groups vs mainly lower income volunteers. The problem with a draft army is disciplne can collapse or at least lowered if they are fighting an unpopular war has in Vietnam post 1968. There are a lot of pros and cons on having a draft.
Hey Huntmuch did you get my pm?

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Statistically If I have one foot in a fire and the other in a bucket of ice my body temperature should be balanced and normal.

There should be a draft even if the draftees are non combat.
There is such a lack of responsibility, discipline and respect for our freedom and Country that at least 2 years of military service should be manditory.

We are headed downhill fast as America and Americans and our culture and values are systematically degraded in our public school system through hate and blame America first crowd combined with the usual public employee union mentality introduced into each new generation K-12.

This P.C. and cultural diversity crap is out of control and misguided.

Just as the enviro's have caused more damage than good especially in the west where they reign supreme with the P.E. unions to finance and control politicians through their cash recycling progams brought about by bogus statistics compiled by bogus professors and their interns to bring lawsuits with pro bono attorneys then win the suits through liberal judges who then award legal and damage fees (which are unwarranted) from our tax dollars which in turn are recycled into liberal politicians campaigns.
It haults progress and time tested methods such as logging for example; where the logging industry was destroyed and now we can't clear the dead dying diseased over crowded sick sick forest lands.
It's has also been very bad for the deer population with little to no grazing to support the herds.
Ever since the 1950's when California politicians took control of the DFG's duties and also control of the doe harvests the herds have been in decline.
The fires are much more massive than they used to be.
You can't mess with mother nature without consequences.
The enviroweenies and Diane Fienstein have even stopped the stocking of the wild turkey and have worked to overturn protection for the elk and deer on the islands.
Which they don't want hunters to take but will hire professionals to carry out a slaughter and then bulldoze the carcasses into a mass grave or leave them to rot.
The systematic closure of our coastal waters for fishing is another example.

People won't get off their butts to vote Do You Really Think They are going to revolt?

How are they going to do it? There are hardly any Americans left. Everybody now is ---American or xxxAmerican I don't see very many just plain old Americans so if we are not all one people how can we ever unite?
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (billrob @ Dec 29 2006, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
There are hardly any Americans left. Everybody now is ---American or xxxAmerican I don't see very many just plain old Americans so if we are not all one people how can we ever unite?[/b]
I see 300 million of them. Where have you been lookin'?

Just plain old Americans? Who are they? When should the country stopped migration? After the Asians crossed the land bridges eons ago?

I always hear ranting about Fienstein yet these same people cannot even muster enough votes to unseat her. Wake up and smell the reality of defeat -- that people's support is on their cause.

Oh well, or is this just a ride in neo-con ferries wheel? It keeps going round and round and getting nowhere. Starts with the draft, then got detoured to logging, then to liberal teachers, deer population, Feinstien, pro bono attorneys (you must in favor of highly paid Texas oil lawyers) and ending into immigration.

But wait, this looks familiar. This is vaguely similar to Bush's merry reach for Bin Ladin, in Pakistan ... or wait, is it Afghanistan with detour to Baghdad for WMD? Now back to the draft. I'm in favor. Military discipline instill youth with discipline and sense of responsibility.
 

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I'm in favor of the draft but with stipulations that every 18 yr old goes in, no deferments for any reason political,college,peace corps,etc.
 

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Oh well, or is this just a ride in neo-con ferries wheel?

Beastlayer,
In the first part of your reply you sound ridiculous like a real dyed in the wool liberal dem.
Nobody that I know of is against legal immigration it's been a strength in our Country since before this was a Country and will continue to be if the illegals don't succeed in screwing everything up.
My wife is a legal permanent resident and I am a natural born citizen of the U.S.
We have legal quotas for a reason it's called assimulation.
It means to become American not ---American or xxx American which is now and has been drummed into the brain of every child in our public school system.
As to you rant about G.W. only time and history will tell of the outcome and success or failure.
I know for a fact that our brave men and women serving overseas and in the middleeast have my gratitude and support.
Iraq was the most logical choice since we put the butcher in power it was our obligation to remove him before he could do more damage and what better place to form a beach head in the war on terrror?
Would you rather have it here in our streets?
This isn't like a microwave dinner. It will take time and effort to defeat these radicals.
as for Government in general Thomas Paine said it best
"That government is best which governs least."
As for Fiensteins power base its all from those sick crime ridden illegal alien gay sodum and gomora urban population centers like SFO or Crime ridden Oakland or illeagl alien welcoming centers like Los Angeles.

As for the draft, they never should have ended it and it should be reinstated in 2007 and like SCR83 says No deferments.
 

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Beastlayer,
In the first part of your reply you sound ridiculous like a real dyed in the wool liberal dem.
Lib? - you are 50% right. Dem? 100% wrong. I supported more Rep than blue in the last election.

[/quote]Nobody that I know of is against legal immigration it's been a strength in our Country since before this was a Country and will continue to be if the illegals don't succeed in screwing everything up.
My wife is a legal permanent resident and I am a natural born citizen of the U.S.
We have legal quotas for a reason it's called assimulation.[/quote]

Agree with you on this. Sorry, I misunderstood your earlier post.

[/quote]As to you rant about G.W. only time and history will tell of the outcome and success or failure. [/quote]

Meanwhile, our brave and gallant soldiers die for his mistake and his hubris.

[/quote]Iraq was the most logical choice since we put the butcher in power it was our obligation to remove him before he could do more damage and what better place to form a beach head in the war on terrror?[/quote]

Agree on the premise. But have we actually created a beach head or a rallying point for more terror?

[/quote]Would you rather have it here in our streets??[/quote]

Sorry, does not agree with you on this one. And so are 71% of Americans.

[/quote]As for Fiensteins power base its all from those sick crime ridden illegal alien [/quote]

Wrong again. The last time I checked illegal aliens are not allowed to vote.

[/quote]As for the draft, they never should have ended it and it should be reinstated in 2007 and like SCR83 says No deferments.[/quote]

Agree with you on this one.
 

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Beast,
See there is much we have in common as fellow Americans, but I believe the illegals anchor babies, dead folks and more vote early and often.
Now I voted in the last several elections pretty much on NRA grade ratings which did favor the repubs but also did have some blue dog dems which I hope will live up to their promises.
I think Charlie Reingold is just trying to make a point but, the draft should be taken seriously on that we all seem to agree.

From all I see and hear our brave and gallant soldiers are happy to be their to accomplish their mission.
 

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A military draft can install discipline but it doesn't mean you can just pull kids off the streets and put the in an unpopular war. One reason the US military favored an all volunteer military is because the draftees in the latter stages of the Vietnam war would frag the more aggressive NCO's and officers. There were also a fair amount of racial fighting by black and white servicemen who didn't want to be in Vietnam and didn't really care for being in close proximity to each other. There was also more then a little bit of drug use. At least with the volunteer military there has been a whole lot less of the above problems.

Drafted armies can rebel against government authority has did the Russian army after WWI and fight very poorly has did the Italian army in WWII (with some exceptions) and the South Vietnamese army although they were more effective then the present day Iraqui army. On the other hand in the early 1960's the draftees of the French army supported the DeGualle govt against many professional units that tried to stage a coup against DeGuall for negociating to end French rule of Algeria.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (billrob @ Dec 29 2006, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
There should be a draft even if the draftees are non combat.
There is such a lack of responsibility, discipline and respect for our freedom and Country that at least 2 years of military service should be manditory.[/b]

The military does teach responsiblity and discipline to most folks, but would it teach respect for our freedom to take away someones freedom for 2 years?

The real problem is we can't afford it. If every young man, and woman, were forced into the military --- how would we pay all the expenses. I remember back when there was a draft, military pay was much lower than it is now; and military pay would plummet if everyone was required to serve.
 

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Lefty,
Make them non Combat, don;t train them to kill have them handling many of the jobs and responsiblities that are absent now. Public Service, Community Service, train them based on ability and aptitude and let them aquire 2 years or more (voluntary reinlistment) of employment history promoting and helping to move our Country forward. Similar to the Peace Corps but on the domestic front.


Common Sense.
Less fat in the budget, no more earmarks, reduce government entitlement programs, reduce the shear size of the government,
stop the hand outs (subsidies)to business (except for farming),
cut off Federal funding to any State with a sanctuary City.
Force States to comply with Federal Law and to enforce immigration laws or withhold their funding.
Withhold Federal Funding to States with anti second ammendment laws.
There is a need for States Rights however, Federal law overrules all States Laws and Rights due to the structure of the Government and because of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
At least thats how I see it.
And last but not least go to a flat tax! Across the board.

As for taking peoples freedom away Freedom is not free it is earned and maintained.

Just like up in SFO they are kicking the ROTC out of the schools and want to ban guns etc;
That in itself should be grounds for withholding all Federal Funding from the State not to mention preferences for illegal aliens in the school system with in State tution etc; It has to stop and to stop it it has to start somewhere.

These kids today are brainwashed (in our public school system which we are forced to pay taxes to even if we choose to put our children in private schools for a decent education) into believing we are an uncaring Country to not open our borders and throw our immigration laws and quotas out the window. It's all about assimulation and preservation of our great culture.

Our government at almost all levels has been infiltrated by the public employees unions.
Government jobs are public service jobs they are not suppossed to be live high on the hog pick pocketing the citizens to pay for cushy benefits and retirement.

We need good teachers and thus we need to compensate them and hold them in high esteem as they are shaping the future of our Country.

If we did that we could attract good solid people to the profession and rid the ranks of the left wing loones who live in the world of the theoretical and who are preaching socialism and trying to emulate Europe.

A simple flat tax would give the Gov more than enough cash on hand to pay the bill for a draft.

Volunteers and career soldiers would and should receive more pay than temporary draftees. Thats public service.

Everybody bitches about rights. But at some point you have to participate to maintain those rights and that freedom or you loose sight of it as many have done now.

There is no free lunch.
The draft should be manditory and implemented ASAP.

I don't claim to be absolutely correct, these are my thoughts on what I think could help to put our Country back on course and build National pride and unity.
 

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It would be interesting to give national service a try. Has far has I know only Nazi Germany had a mandatory non military government service called the Reich Labor Service that helped build the autobahns which are still used to this day. During WWII the RLS sent at least some men to fight Soviet Partisans. The RLS would be a good model to see what we can adopt from them and of course what not such has hatred against non Teutonic peoples.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Common Sense @ Dec 29 2006, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (billrob @ Dec 29 2006, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There should be a draft even if the draftees are non combat.
There is such a lack of responsibility, discipline and respect for our freedom and Country that at least 2 years of military service should be manditory.[/b]

The military does teach responsiblity and discipline to most folks, but would it teach respect for our freedom to take away someones freedom for 2 years?

The real problem is we can't afford it. If every young man, and woman, were forced into the military --- how would we pay all the expenses. I remember back when there was a draft, military pay was much lower than it is now; and military pay would plummet if everyone was required to serve.
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The Military sure doesn't make money now days either.......Most families are on a state service.....When their spouses are overseas,because they can't make ends meet!!!
 

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The Military sure doesn't make money now days either.......Most families are on a state service.....When their spouses are overseas,because they can't make ends meet!!!
Where do you get that from? There may be a few cases but for the most part we take care of our own. This sounds like that story a few years ago when there were families on food stamps, big embarrasment for the DOD, but as in most cases the press blew it way out of proportion. Rest assured if a service member is deployed his family is well taken care of back home. If not he is not asking the right folks for the help.
 


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