Wild lion hunt video

[huntducks]

CANNED HUNT MY ASS, what fence that old wood POS that looks like it falling apart. if you think a 5-10 foot fence will keep a cat in you have no clue what your talking about, as far as making a judgement about what is hunted in the world it simple you hunt what you want and i'll hunt what I want don't look down your nose at someone because it not what you like, that cat covered 50 yards in a split second and someone shooting a scoped rifle at a animal running right at them is one of the hardest things to do, he!! i'll bet some of you could not hit a deer walking broadside at 50 yards.

I'm fed up with some of you so called hunters that all you keep on about is canned hunts.

My dream someday is to hunt Africa and I would love to shoot a lion, and a cape buff F2F on there terms.

watch the video again and that guy just turned in time or he would have had some serious scars look at his shirt with the tear marks across the sleave.

 

[James Vee]

I've seen the electric fences in Africa that are made specifically to keep lions in, and this fence is not one of them.

 

[Freedivr2]

Clutch........thanks for writing back, I didn't think so, just wanted to be clear.

Fellas, I'm REALLY, REALLY sorry that I even brought up the "F" word, as the VERY last thing I want to do on JHO is create a pissin contest. There's plenty of other forums out there (anyone who's familiar with Monster Egos.com will know what I mean) where there's no shortage of that going on, and it really detracts from otherwise good discussions and camaraderie.

I just made mention of what I noticed because I didn't know if anyone else had seen the fence or considered that something MIGHT be a little wierd. And here's a first, I'm quoting myself

now; what I said was I THOUGHT I was seeing was a fence and that it MIGHT be a canned hunt, and the lion's and hunters actions might have been different than the norm due to that POSSIBLE situation, I dunno.

Sorry I brought it up, I really am, didn't want any feathers ruffled. BTW, my opinion of canned hunts (as far as the hunts themselves go, not impressions left by them on the non-hunting public) is to each his own and I'll plain leave it at that. Peace.........

 

[SDHNTR]

Mykie the peacemaker!

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Freedivr2]

SDHNTR.......HEY........who's watchin my IRAs when you're playing on JHO anyway?

C'mon, DWP, you know me better than that (but it SOUNDED good though, didn't it?)

I'm goin over to that OTHER forum now to stir the pot

 

[Dampland]

Originally posted by James Vee@Feb 7 2005, 10:27 AM
Clutch I couldn't agree with you more. 

The bottom line is, people just don't know until they've been there.  And how can people say that they would never hunt the big cats there because they are underpopulated, etc.  People just don't know.  I hate it when people make uneducated and unexperienced statements about places and things they have no clue about.

Hey James... reread my post. I never said they were UNDER populated, I said they are not OVERPOPULATED. If you're going to trash me, at least get it right.

As far as saying I would never hunt big cats. How could my stating my personal hunting preferences be "uneducated and unexperienced statements"? My opinion is MY OPINION.

By me stating I wouldn't hunt one, is neither uneducated nor unexperienced. If I don't want to hunt rabbits or coyotes, does that make me "uneducated"? I think not. Am I uneducated and unexperienced, because I don't want to shoot people with a bazooka? No, I just don't want to do it!

And I never said it was a "canned hunt", I merely noted that there was a fence in the background. I've never hunted a an area where there is a fence that helps to contain an animal. Whether or not this lion could have jumped it, dug under it, or ran over it, DOES NOT matter to me. In this video, it is of my opinion that the fence detered the lion from getting farther away from the shooters. Would this have changed the outcome? I don't know, but I sure would have preferred to see that option.

 

[James Vee]

Since you're going to specifically target me I'll set you straight. There are areas where lions and leopards are hunted because they are overpopulated in those areas. Is all of South Africa overpopulated with these animals? No. Is the entire African continent teaming with elephants? No. Are they still hunted? Yes. It's because they are overpopulated in some areas. Same principle. If you're going to target me, atleast do it right.

 

[Dampland]

All right... well I can see that this will just spiral into a pissing match, so you win.

I am stupid and uneducated for saying that my personal preference is to not hunt big cats.

(note to self, never go to Africa, as Lions are attacking everyone in sight, rather than run away.)

 

[sidepass]

My wife overheard this video and screamed at me. She asked if machine guns are legal in Africa for hunting. She asked where the fairness was in more than one shooter taking an animal. She does have a point.

 

[Freedivr2]

Sidepass........

1. Your wife screamed at you? Over a hunting Video? I don't know how to respond to that without sounding insulting, sorry. I can only say that wouldn't happen in my house and I hope you can find a way to change that in your home. My wife doesn't scream about things. We work hard to respect each other and take time to explain things and listen to reasons why. For the past 24 years that has worked out pretty well for most things.

2. Did you tell her that "NO, machine guns aren't legal in Africa AND that they weren't using machine guns on this lion"? Where did she see a machine gun and why didn't you tell her there wasn't a machine gun in the video??

3. Did you explain to her that there in fact are NOT a whole bunch of people shooting at the lion, and that wasn't the plan here? That in fact, the other shooter was the guide, who is a backup in case a client has a gun jam or gets the shakes, freezes up, MISSES OR WOUNDS a dangerous animal (case in point here) etc.?

4. What interests me most is that you say your wife has a point. I'm just wondering what do you think would that point be? That she and you are both anti-hunters? Or that perhaps that the hunter here shouldn't have a backup gunner (his guide, very common and the wise thing to do when Lion hunting in Africa) for safety reasons while hunting dangerous game? I simply can't imagine not employing that wisdom on a dangerous game hunt. And HERE's an example of someone making a point; You go ask your wife THIS question; Would she want you NOT to have a backup gunner on a Safari for big game hunting for in case something went wrong? I hope she gets that point.......

IF you are a hunter, then you truly need to take responsibility & explain to your wife what's going on here so that she understands what she's seeing in the video and so she doesn't jump to conclusions that puts you and your fellow hunters in a negative light. As hunters, we want and NEED others to have a positive image of both the sport of hunting and of us, so we need to help others understand what is going on vs. keeping our mouth shut and letting them make bad assumptions, jump to conclusions, etc., as they then will hold ill feelings toward good hunters and toward the need for game management. I hope there's no disagreement with that.

Lastly, do not for a minute think that I am defending this hunt in particular. If it is a canned hunt, that's not my personal cup of tea and you'll never see me in a video like this. I'm just saying please don't let your wife or anyone else jump to bad conclusions if possible, and to have respect for each hunter and their own type of hunt, as long as it's legal and carried on with respect toward the quarry and habitat. Hope that all makes sense to you and you act on this. Later......

 

[Peter V]

Hi folks,

Judging from the posts and responses to this footage, we have a bunch of different views and opinions, which are after all to be expected.

Fact of the matter is that this specific "lion hunt" was conducted by a known PH ex-Bloemfontein in South Africa. The conditions in which the "hunt" was conducted and the area adds up to one thing only = a canned lion hunt. This is an acknowledged fact over here. The second fact is that ito current legislation and imminent changes, this type of hunt is considered illegal and highly unethical and will be stamped out in future.

Why? because said lion is held captive in a small enclosure (few acres) and there is a high probalilty that it is animal bred under captive conditions (pen raised) and therefore cannot be construed as a wild and free ranging lion. This emotive issue is seized upon by the anti's and gives them ammo to make hunting hard for everyone else. Fair ? perhaps no but a fact of life!

I have no dog in this fight, the footage shows and impressive lion doing what lions do, you take anything away from this lion ito courage. The nature of the hunt is however different issue for a bunch of folk, including professionals like myself who are in the business of hunting dangerous game, and does not auger well for the future of fair chase.

Just my 5c worth....like every one else

Regards

 

[doorman]

If you look closely you can see a gate,this is a South African lion. After talking with a couple of my PH buddies, they said it is behind a HF(alot of them in S.A.)I have hunt cats in S.A. and they are still mean,don't let the fence fool ya. Not tring to stir the pot. Cat hunting is like no other hunting,your shot needs to be right on or you may be dinner!!!!!!! Africa is cool,I look forward to my next trip.
Doorman

 

[wolfsong]

Wow, an experiance like that will get the party hopping! And so, too, does this video and topic. This discussion is right up there with religion and politics. My first impression of this video was "canned hunt", but not being there, I can't call it. Second impression - what a magnificent animal! Why shoot it? Third impression - aren't all animals "magnificent"? When anti-hunting people try their arguments on me, I ask them how they can differentiate between a cow or chicken and a deer or bear, etc. Animals, after all, are animals. Poaching of any breed sucks, and game management is necessary in alot of cases. To each his own, I believe. We hunters should not judge one another based on what type of game we pursue. I, myself, do not desire to hunt lions or tigers or grizzlies, but I do hunt black bear, and I have little use for mountain lions and I sincerely wish that Kalifornia would issue tags to keep them in check. It all comes down to personal choices and one's comfort zone. Call me a wuss, but I have no desire to go after them big and dangerous breeds. I know that we take risks any time we go out in the field, and I accept that. Just don't want to "look" for trouble. I went salmon fishing in Alaska once, fortunately I didn't come across any grizz. But if I had, trust and believe, he could have had my fish, my gear - anything but me! But I do admire and respect those that have the knowledge and balls to go after bigger and better game. Just my humble opinions. Peace and God bless, Wolfsong.