Wild Pig Hunting Inc. VII - Possible change?

[Mel Carter]

I think George may be going to shooting boars only starting next year. If so, I'm curious what the interest would be for our group hunt. Would you do the hunt if it was Boars only? Also knowing if you shoot a sow it's a $100 charge. I would like to give George some feedback on your thoughts.

Would you go,

Yes or No?

 

[ruger_mac]

This is a good question Mel. I understand Geogre's reason for wanting his clients to take boars. I heard you two talking about it and George said "that some people don't know what to look for to tell if a Sow is pregnant or not but with his expierence he knows what to look for" Now if he is giong to charge extra for killing Sow's then he needs to be with his clients and be able to use his expierence to ensure that the hunter takes a Boar. If the client still chooses to take a Sow then he would pay the $100 fee.

Either way i would head back next year just because it's such a geat deal. If next year we get a full group it might be wise for George to lift this "fee". this would allow greater sucsess rate with group hunts since he won't be able to be one-on- one and help the hunters take only Boars. $4000 for a full group of hunters should be enough incentive to allow Sow's to be killed.

Adam

 

[Mel Carter]

Adam, I agree. Lifting the fee is something I would definitely bring up to him. Plus I think I will be caping the hunts at 10 max, smaller groups just seem to work out better. Is it October 2013 yet?......

 

[juantg]

i would do it ,to me things get crazy at times and on the last day i'll shoot and figure it out later and i bring my check book RED BULL does crazy things .really on the first day you spot some sows i might pass and wait but on the last day i would not worry about it, except for a sow that looked pregnant i don't want to deal with that all in all it is always a good hunt if you take your time and hunt slow

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Did i miss something, What did u guys do shoot all sows on the hunt or something, what brought that subject up.
Oh yeh how many the kills out of u 6 used a bow, or were they all gun kills? Thanks....tra

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[Fugaloo]

I used a .243, shot at about 125 yards

 

[Mel Carter]

Did i miss something, What did u guys do shoot all sows on the hunt or something, what brought that subject up.
Oh yeh how many the kills out of u 6 used a bow, or were they all gun kills? Thanks....tra

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Tra, this year George went to shooting any wet or pregnant sows would be an extra $100. Next year he's thinking if going to boars only. I just wanted to know if people would still be interested, nothing is for sure it was just something George mentioned.


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[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

thanks Mel, i would think going Boar only would decress your odds on success by half lets say. its just not the cost of the hunt u have to figure in, u got gas,food, licence, tags too and that can be another $100. or $200. to add to your hunt cost. now another hundred to shot a sow on top of that, then the next thing u know he might decide to start charging $100. extra if the boar has 4 in.or bigger choppers too. when does it end.

i know George has a bussiness to run and i know he is not greedy like other outfitters and he can do what he has too be successfull and profitable runnin 22,000 acer ranch pig outfitting operation which is a lot of hard work for so little in return that is understandable and i respect that.

i remember the good ole days of group hunts at Choppers ranch and once in a great while he would gives us a 2 for one deal, u could kill 2 hogs for the price of one, which was usally $450-$550 for a weekend hunt and sometimes we ould start our hunts friday am instead of noon and sometimes an extra day to hunt for the same cost on over 4000 acers of prime hunting land, where else can u find an outfitter like that around here.
Chopper always took great care of us jho members on group hunts thats for sure, he definitly was not a greedy outfitter for sure like the majority of outfitters in this state. he is like a brother and friend to some of us JHOrs and i really think he wanted us to be successfull and have the best time on his ranch hunting before putting profit first and thats why he isnt outfitting now he wasnt making enough profit to run the ranch cost from the group hunts anymore so he stop doing it. man those where the good ole days! YES HE SPOLIED ME WHEN IT COMES TO GROUP HUNTS. SORRY!

Mel, it is my intention in the future to put another jho group together again on Choppers ranch if he will let me, if i can make it worth he while and ours, keep your fingers crossed.

so i am agianst all these extra fees and stipulations when it comes to hunting on a outfitter ranch for a pig, i just like things plane and simple, u pay this u get that, no more no extra, straight shooting!....tra

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Oh yeh i forgot to mention the awesome cabin set up on choppers ranch too to stay in for the same low cost....tra

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[Mel Carter]

thanks Mel, i would think going Boar only would decress your odds on success by half lets say. its just not the cost of the hunt u have to figure in, u got gas,food, licence, tags too and that can be another $100. or $200. to add to your hunt cost. now another hundred to shot a sow on top of that, then the next thing u know he might decide to start charging $100. extra if the boar has 4 in.or bigger choppers too. when does it end.

i know George has a bussiness to run and i know he is not greedy like other outfitters and he can do what he has too be successfull and profitable runnin 22,000 acer ranch pig outfitting operation which is a lot of hard work for so little in return that is understandable and i respect that.

i remember the good ole days of group hunts at Choppers ranch and once in a great while he would gives us a 2 for one deal, u could kill 2 hogs for the price of one, which was usally $450-$550 for a weekend hunt and sometimes we ould start our hunts friday am instead of noon and sometimes an extra day to hunt for the same cost on over 4000 acers of prime hunting land, where else can u find an outfitter like that around here.
Chopper always took great care of us jho members on group hunts thats for sure, he definitly was not a greedy outfitter for sure like the majority of outfitters in this state. he is like a brother and friend to some of us JHOrs and i really think he wanted us to be successfull and have the best time on his ranch hunting before putting profit first and thats why he isnt outfitting now he wasnt making enough profit to run the ranch cost from the group hunts anymore so he stop doing it. man those where the good ole days! YES HE SPOLIED ME WHEN IT COMES TO GROUP HUNTS. SORRY!

Mel, it is my intention in the future to put another jho group together again on Choppers ranch if he will let me, if i can make it worth he while and ours, keep your fingers crossed.

so i am agianst all these extra fees and stipulations when it comes to hunting on a outfitter ranch for a pig, i just like things plane and simple, u pay this u get that, no more no extra, straight shooting!....tra

Tra,
If George does go to boars only, it's only to increase the population. Like I said, it was something he threw out as I was leaving, nothing for sure.


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[sancho]

i'll vote no.

George's place isnt a high fence..so any management he attempts will more than likely end up on neighboring property, right?

maybe this will push up the numbers at the lake..hmm.

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Yes i understand that Mel, u gotta have a lot of pigs on your ranch to have a successful business for sure, but with 22,000 prime acres in sonoma county u think he has more pigs on his property than all lake sonoma and the other little privet ranches that border that lake all Together.
Like Cliff said once we start hunting lake sonoma in a month and a half all the pigs our going to run to Geoges ranch anywy LOL........tra

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[Mel Carter]

Just keep in mind this isn't his set plans, just something he tossed out there. I don't want people thinking this is his plans and then calling him on it, then it opens up a big issue when it was just something suggested in conversation. I wanted to get feedback from this group so I can let George know what we all thought about it, that's it.


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[johnboy31]

I dont care im in next year for sure lol i should of went this time.
Guess il have to look for mine on public land lol

 

[Fugaloo]

I dont care im in next year for sure lol i should of went this time.
lol

That's what I was thinking a lot of guys would be saying when I got back to camp and saw all those pigs lined up

 

[FourGoats]

I don't think it's a great idea. I'm not looking to shoot a wet sow, but I may want to shoot a dry sow if the time is right. Not all years are as good as this last hunt but it doesn't seem like this property has been lacking a pig population. Limiting the hunt to boars only decreases our chance by 50% or more. And you will be passing up shots that you might normally take.

 

[Mel Carter]

I don't think it's a great idea. I'm not looking to shoot a wet sow, but I may want to shoot a dry sow if the time is right. Not all years are as good as this last hunt but it doesn't seem like this property has been lacking a pig population. Limiting the hunt to boars only decreases our chance by 50% or more. And you will be passing up shots that you might normally take.

I agree, that was kind of my take on this question as well. We will see what George sets up and go from there.


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[Dust feeder]

I haven't quite decided on this one yet. Based on how well this year went and that i had a really great time this year id lean towards doing it again but if opportunity decreases by ~50% that's a tough pill to swallow.

This year we had 100% success but only had 6 people. If in past years with more people it sounds like you've averaged closer to 70% opportunity. Cut that in half were only looking at 35% opportunity. $400 ($500-600 after gas, etc) for a 35% chance to even have an opportunity makes me think about it.

However, I'm a newer hunter, don't have much $, and only have time to go hunting a hand full of times per year, so getting a pig is one of the key factors for me. Others may have different priorities and more $ they dont mind spending it just to get out Into the field and have a good weekend with friends regardless of if they get a pig or not.

The key question is do you guys all really think this would decrease opportunity by 50%? It's easy to assume that but also keep in mind those of us (me, included) who would have needed to pass on the sows the first day still would have been able keep hunting for a boar the rest of the weekend.

 

[Kentuck]

I already have a nice pig mounted on the wall and would prefer to shoot a sow. Given I mainly public land hunt anymore, any pig would go down.

I guess if he wants more pigs, stop hound hunting them. That would be less pressure on the pigs.

Plus, from what I could see from the LS area, there seems to be more vineyards going up there. That could be an issue with less pigs too.

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

yeh,if it was a crap shoot place to hunt then u can be picky about not shooting wet sows to keep the production flow going of future pigs for your supply and demand no problem , just as Dust Feeder i only get out a few times a year too hunt and when i do for all the time and effort in practice i spend shooting my bow which is way more then my few hunts i get to do i need to get the most out of it all, and all the driving time and the distances to get to a hunt with soreing gas prices for me i want all oppurunities to harvest a pig for sure and not to mention the physical apsect we have to endure to find and hunt wild pigs. and then possible butcher cost unless u do your own can be high depending on how big the pig is, thats all i am saying...tra

oh BTW darn good to hear from u Monty! hope we can share another L.S. hunt together my freind, i miss hunting with u , hope u and the family have been doing gooD....tra