30.06 Bullet Weights for Elk Hunting

[Widux]

Like i said-- Kill one and your in deep do do--only place the Govt and State have any sense is AK.

 

[Sigma]

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Like i said-- Kill one and your in deep do do--[/b]

Or....don't kill one and become Grizzly doo-doo yourself.

I'll go for the first option.

 

[Widux]

Maybe Yes maybe NO--Ever been there?? Some of us have.

 

[raven_over_easy]

$7,000.00 is cheap, compaired to the lost wages and medical bills as a result of an endangered species attack. That is if you survive. You call the shot.


I don't aim for the paunch and I dont own a 375. I do own a Remington Model 700 30.06 and I know my gun and the loads it likes and what kind of damage the varoius loads will inflict upon wild flesh and bone. The question as I recall is: What load will perform best on elk and if necessary griz? The 180gr Accubond was my suggestion. Shot placement on a charging griz should be any where and everywhere you can, especially the head.

 

[Sigma]

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$7,000.00 is cheap, compaired to the lost wages and medical bills as a result of an endangered species attack. That is if you survive. You call the shot.[/b]

Agreed.

I'm not willing to wait for the outcome of a charge to see whether it was false or real.

There's a 50/50 chance you're dead if you don't shoot. I just don't like those odds.

 

[tmoniz]

I lived, worked and hunted in Alaska for several years. I'm sure I walked past many a Grizz and not known about it. They are not the big blathering killer they are made out to be. And, neither is the Wolf for that matter. Too much TV spoils reality. I know first hand that they do false charge and they do not present a good target while doing so.

We are talking about the 30/06 for Elk here and someone who's a bit nervous about the rarely seen Grizz in Wyoming.

 

[Sigma]

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We are talking about the 30/06 for Elk here and someone who's a bit nervous about the rarely seen Grizz in Wyoming.[/b]

OK, I guess I'll spill the beans. I'm going with an old friend of mine who has guided up in Wyoming for eight seasons. He says he's run into a Grizzly almost every season. One time he ran into a sow with cubs and got really nervous. None of them charged, but this guy goes in real deep and I have no reason not to believe him. For me, that kind of dispells the notion of encounters "far and few between". He'll have a .338 Mag, I'll have the 30.06. I'm not really nervous, just wanted feedback on a good bullet for double duty, which was given.

 

[Widux]

I lived, worked, guided, and hunted/ fishewd in most areas of AK- often saw grizz but only had one time when it got to pucker-- it worked out ok after a few tense minutes --in 25 yrs i was in AK more folks were mauled, mained, killed by Black bears then grizz or Browns=only one or two were gotten by BIG bears- one a japanese fu fu photo guy who campoed on trail to bears river fishing spot-- too bad EH? another lately was jack off in park who thougt they were his friends--both of thosae got what they asked for.
Grizz stories by Guides make for bigger tips--esp when told to cheechakos over a camp fire.

 

[tmoniz]

I'm sure if you go real deep into the wilderness in Wyoming or Montana you may run into a Grizz. On my last wilderness Elk hunt in the Teton Wilderness we saw fresh Grizz sign almost daily, but never actually saw the bear. The guide kept our meat way up high in the trees a short distance from the main camp. Sounds like your friend has a handle on it.

 

[Sigma]

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another lately was jack off in park who thougt they were his friends--both of thosae got what they asked for.[/b]

You mean Timothy Treadwell, the "Bear Whisperer"?

I think the reason he survived so long was that the bears were puzzled by his total lack of fear and perceived that he was no threat. After watching some of his interaction with the bears on video, I think he blew his mind on drugs. In the end, when he came across a moody bear, he paid for that foolishness with the loss of his life and his girlfriend's. The sounds of the attack while in his tent were all recorded.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/09/bear.attack.ap/

 

[Sigma]

Just take a look at this ridiculous video of Treadwell: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFvUpUY7Ysw

Tell me he's not nuts.

 

[tmoniz]

Timothy had a screw loose. And, endangering his girlfriend on top of it.
I saw his film on TV. What an idiot.

Reminds me of this idiot with a toddler in Yellowstone a few years back that was sneaking up behind a large bedded down bull Elk for a closeup photo. He kept inching closer with his kid til we grabbed him by the shirt
and gave him a rather staunch lecture about "wild" animals.

Some people.

 

[Widux]

Coming home from a Boo hunt on the Haul Road to Prudhoe Bay one time we saw a sow and her cubs about 50 yds off road and sure enough- next car was yahoos from city (outside) with kids-- what did they do- -stop and got out of car and walked closer to get pics-- luckily we scared the bears off and they got pissed-- ah well maybe we should have left them alone and mayhaps they would have fed the bears-- their bodies.

 

[younghunter]

Sigma,
Seems like you are going to the same country I hunt. Grizz sightings can be hit or miss. One week I'll see grizz every day, the next week nothing. I now see more grizzly bears than black bears. I go in through the Pacific Creek trailhead. Its an awesome time. I enclosed a pic I took of a grizz track I saw there last fall.

Chances are you're going to see a grizzly bear, chances are if you play it smart you'll be posting your elk pic here next fall.

the elk are FILTHY there, it should be against the law for so many elk to be in one place hahahahaha. Last fall I had a herd of 150 elk within 300 yards of me.

Heres a funny story from there. Last fall i was hunting and saw someone coming down a trail. I've NEVER seen anyone on this trail i was on and the guy didn't even see me(i stepped off the trail to let him by). I said "HELLO" and he jumped back startled. After talking to him he said he had just been charged by a grizzly and was getting the he** out of there and never returning. I could see the fear in his face still, and it kinda made me second guess my decision. But later that evening glassing from a remote hill i couldn't help but to laugh. It really is amazing that just the presence of grizzlies will keep so many people out.

 

[wmidbrook]

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Shot placement on a charging griz should be any where and everywhere you can, especially the head.[/b]

When I lived in AK, I was told to shoot the shoulder by several guides in the event of a charge. I'm not sure they are correct but it makes the most sense to me to break the bear's motion...heard tales of bullet deflection off the skull.

If you followed that link I posted there's a paragraph about how a fellow decided to be "good", laid down his rifle as he was being charged and grabbed his bear spray. The bear charged through the "pepper cloud" and proceeded to toss the fellow around like a rag doll until his buddy saved his arse by shooting the bear.

I think treadwell's organization promoted the use of pepper spray. And, from what I hear, they also endorese the use of fry pans to bang bears on the head as they are eating you.

 

[Sigma]

If you followed that link I posted there's a paragraph about how a fellow decided to be "good", laid down his rifle as he was being charged and grabbed his bear spray. The bear charged through the "pepper cloud" and proceeded to toss the fellow around like a rag doll until his buddy saved his arse by shooting the bear.

I read that account. Be good and lay down the rifle - crazy. I agree with shooting for the shoulder area for immobilization, not for the smaller target you're more likely to miss, the head. You'll only have a couple of seconds to decide anyway.

 

[Litch]

Younghunter,
Hunted near Pacific Creek last year on a migration hunt in November. Saw Grizz tracks in the snow most days, but never saw em. Didn't go with the thought that I needed to protect myself from the big bad bear either. To me it is part of the wilderness experience. I follow good guidelines for bear avoidance and if I was in danger i guess that I would cross that bridge when I came to it. Not going to go into a beautiful area like that looking over my shoulder the whole time, but to each his own. I personally do not want a sterile place to hunt with no sense of danger.

 

[Widux]

Yup shoulder or if coming straight on the chest-- head shots very chancy.

 

[younghunter]

linch,
how did you do up there? Which migration hunt did you go on?

I'm like you, the grizz adds to the expierence.

Its just not a mountain if there isn't grizz and wolves

 

[Litch]

Area 79. We went the last week of the season when you guys finally got some weather. Quite a sight to see, but tough hunting.
My wife and I went to jackson in September and didn't care for it. But when i went back in November to hunt it was much better. Amazing how nice it gets after the yuppies clear out. You live in a great State, very lucky to be born and bred there.