I have,....... it's nice for a lefty but if I was in the market shooting right handed I would never choose this over the 375HH. It's one of the few lefty actions made in 375 dia today
That long slender HH case is famous for smooth feed and eject, plus it's ammo is available anyplace in the world big game is hunted. Try finding 375 Ruger ammo anyplace, even in the USA!
It's a good idea, but about 75 years too late. The HH has the 375 diameter locked up. What is the advantage in the Ruger? Some will say the short throw bolt, Who cares, that is a fix for a problem nobody had. It's not any different in power, rifle weight, recoil, accuracy, etc. etc. It's a whole lot like the Remington line of beltless magnums,.........the ultra mags, where are they now? Or like the short mags...........Where are they now. Marketing guns keeps manufactures producing new rifles and ammo. Magaziens keep sportsman with more money then sense buying them. "gotta keep up with the joneses" right? None of them have made any major improvement over what was available since about 1958-60 when the 338 came out. Since then it's been so much fluff.
That long slender HH case is famous for smooth feed and eject, plus it's ammo is available anyplace in the world big game is hunted. Try finding 375 Ruger ammo anyplace, even in the USA!
It's a good idea, but about 75 years too late. The HH has the 375 diameter locked up. What is the advantage in the Ruger? Some will say the short throw bolt, Who cares, that is a fix for a problem nobody had. It's not any different in power, rifle weight, recoil, accuracy, etc. etc. It's a whole lot like the Remington line of beltless magnums,.........the ultra mags, where are they now? Or like the short mags...........Where are they now. Marketing guns keeps manufactures producing new rifles and ammo. Magaziens keep sportsman with more money then sense buying them. "gotta keep up with the joneses" right? None of them have made any major improvement over what was available since about 1958-60 when the 338 came out. Since then it's been so much fluff.
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Wow, fluff huh? keeping up with the Joneses!!!Dude what ever your crazy you sound like my dad. Rifle manufactures have come out with some great stuff in recent years.
I DO agree with you on the 375 ruger other than it will fill a void for the lefty's like myself. I myself like the 30-378 weatherby round, Lazzeroni rounds etc. There are all kinds of great stuff out there too many to list!!
I DO agree with you on the 375 ruger other than it will fill a void for the lefty's like myself. I myself like the 30-378 weatherby round, Lazzeroni rounds etc. There are all kinds of great stuff out there too many to list!!
Maybe you should just take a step back and think a little bit about the big picture before you claim I'm crazy. For starters I am a professional hunter in Africa and see many hundreds of big game killed a year with all kinds of guns and ammo. I'm sponsored by Barnes Bullets right now and have been on the design team for Hornady as well. I even did testing for Garret years ago. I was a Hunting guide in Alaska for almost 20 years before I moved to South Africa. So maybe I sound like your dad? He must be a pretty experienced guy eh! you should count your blessings to have a father so smart and who undoubtedly got you into hunting!
You like the 30/378? What exactly does it get beyond the 30/06? Lets sort this out...............Because I too had a high velocity 300 magnum in my life until I came to a few undeniable truths.......and accepted the facts.
First the 30/378 shoots exactly the same bullet as the 30/06 so there is simply no advantage to the projectile. The only remaing issue then is velocity and trajectory. Since a simple 30/06 can be zeroed at 250 yards and shoot dead on with minimal elevation adjustmet to 350 It's simply more then enough range for a "hunter" The Recoil is barely noticeable and the cost to reload is insignificat with only 50 grains of powder. Also ammo is available around the world where hunting takes place ANYWHERE..........well except France.
Now the 30/378 and the Lazeroni's for that matter are "hunt near home" cartridge where there is no chance of having issues with lost ammo due to airline travel. Recoil ranges from high ............to off the charts. Many of these rifles have muzzle brakes which are the demise of your hearing and cannot even be protected with earplugs or hearing muffs ( do the research) hunting with friends or on a guided hunt will really Piss off many guides and PH's and friends when you show up with a Muzzle brake. They are for people who can't handle extrodinary recoil of a magnum rifle, and are not needed on an ordinary "hunting rifle"
Reloading many of these cases uses double the powder, plus the noise, and recoil, it's a real burdon to shoot these 100's of times to become a very proficient riflemen. You don't get to be a really skilled rifle shot by shooting a box off the bench and a few field shots a year. Ever shoot up or down really steep hills? Watch out for that scope too. better practice these shots before you settle in for that shot and get a good whack in the eyebrow or nose with the edge of that scope!
So we come to velocity. The only functional difference between the 30/06 and the 30/378. What that buys you is distance. Now how many times are you going to have the option to shoot beyond 400 yards in your life? Truth??????? A handfull, gotta figure the wind, the angles, that one last step the animal takes as you pull the trigger, the whole ball of wax here. There are so many things that come into play here that just because you have another 500fps does not make the plans easier.
You need a much more powerful scope to have the advantage to this extra power, and that along with the 28" barrel will really be fun hunting goats and sheep or just packing that monster 10lb rifle around the bush day in and day out. ...............Oh you have only a 26" barrel? Well than your burning powder while the bullet is about 100 yards from the gun. Without a 28" barrel your screwed and bought into the hype of the super magnum. If you have a muzzle brake on that flame throwing monster then you have a 30" tube,.,,........ yeah thats a comfortable package to hunt with!
So range wise you get about 75 yards point blank range, you know PBR? is all that powder, recoil. and muzzle blast worth 75 yards beyond the 350 that the 30/06 can manage with ease? Remember same bullet too. Hmmmm 75 yards PBR I just don't see a hunter needing 75 more yards beyond 350. Hunters can usually manage 350 yards. It's shooters who need to reach out to 500-600 or whatever claim they make. Remember too with about 35 hunters a year in my camps shooting hundreds of animals a year I've seen some top notch guys and the average ones too. I've not met a guy yet who was a Real hunter that needed a super magnum, they all seem to use regular old rifles that have been around for 30 year or so. Not too many consider the "fluff" as I mentioned in my original post.
So maybe I sound like your dad..............I would shake his hand, sounds like a guy that should be mentoring lots of young hunters to me!
You like the 30/378? What exactly does it get beyond the 30/06? Lets sort this out...............Because I too had a high velocity 300 magnum in my life until I came to a few undeniable truths.......and accepted the facts.
First the 30/378 shoots exactly the same bullet as the 30/06 so there is simply no advantage to the projectile. The only remaing issue then is velocity and trajectory. Since a simple 30/06 can be zeroed at 250 yards and shoot dead on with minimal elevation adjustmet to 350 It's simply more then enough range for a "hunter" The Recoil is barely noticeable and the cost to reload is insignificat with only 50 grains of powder. Also ammo is available around the world where hunting takes place ANYWHERE..........well except France.
Now the 30/378 and the Lazeroni's for that matter are "hunt near home" cartridge where there is no chance of having issues with lost ammo due to airline travel. Recoil ranges from high ............to off the charts. Many of these rifles have muzzle brakes which are the demise of your hearing and cannot even be protected with earplugs or hearing muffs ( do the research) hunting with friends or on a guided hunt will really Piss off many guides and PH's and friends when you show up with a Muzzle brake. They are for people who can't handle extrodinary recoil of a magnum rifle, and are not needed on an ordinary "hunting rifle"
Reloading many of these cases uses double the powder, plus the noise, and recoil, it's a real burdon to shoot these 100's of times to become a very proficient riflemen. You don't get to be a really skilled rifle shot by shooting a box off the bench and a few field shots a year. Ever shoot up or down really steep hills? Watch out for that scope too. better practice these shots before you settle in for that shot and get a good whack in the eyebrow or nose with the edge of that scope!
So we come to velocity. The only functional difference between the 30/06 and the 30/378. What that buys you is distance. Now how many times are you going to have the option to shoot beyond 400 yards in your life? Truth??????? A handfull, gotta figure the wind, the angles, that one last step the animal takes as you pull the trigger, the whole ball of wax here. There are so many things that come into play here that just because you have another 500fps does not make the plans easier.
You need a much more powerful scope to have the advantage to this extra power, and that along with the 28" barrel will really be fun hunting goats and sheep or just packing that monster 10lb rifle around the bush day in and day out. ...............Oh you have only a 26" barrel? Well than your burning powder while the bullet is about 100 yards from the gun. Without a 28" barrel your screwed and bought into the hype of the super magnum. If you have a muzzle brake on that flame throwing monster then you have a 30" tube,.,,........ yeah thats a comfortable package to hunt with!
So range wise you get about 75 yards point blank range, you know PBR? is all that powder, recoil. and muzzle blast worth 75 yards beyond the 350 that the 30/06 can manage with ease? Remember same bullet too. Hmmmm 75 yards PBR I just don't see a hunter needing 75 more yards beyond 350. Hunters can usually manage 350 yards. It's shooters who need to reach out to 500-600 or whatever claim they make. Remember too with about 35 hunters a year in my camps shooting hundreds of animals a year I've seen some top notch guys and the average ones too. I've not met a guy yet who was a Real hunter that needed a super magnum, they all seem to use regular old rifles that have been around for 30 year or so. Not too many consider the "fluff" as I mentioned in my original post.
So maybe I sound like your dad..............I would shake his hand, sounds like a guy that should be mentoring lots of young hunters to me!
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WOW some people take the internet way too seriously!!! Relax and have a drink professional biggame barnes sponsered dude!!
I am not going to get into a pissing match but no i do not hunt with a muzzle brake at all and no my barrel is not 26"on my lazzeroni it is 32" long and no it is not a hunt from home rouned either!!! Take a chill pill i understand some people like the Old fashion rounds as do i but there are in my opinion better rounds out there. I like fast boats,women and guns! Sorry you don't agree but that's the beauty of the INTERNET. Hey I am just a young guy with different opinions than the older generation and love to handload/experiment and actually hunt and shoot my guns all the time. I hunt year around I know since you lived in Alaska/Africa (some people are not as lucky) it's hard for someone like you to grasp the concept (me being from CALIFORNIA and all) getting in the outdoors on a regular basis. As a matter of fact i am including a pic of a nice blacktail i just got on saturday with my ( i know i couln't possible have a longer than 26" barrel) lazzeroni with out a muzzlebrake (WOW) and 32" barrel
Owe and it's a lot lighter than 10 lbs
I know it couln't be a comfy rifle to hunt with since it probably has a 26"barrel w/muzzlebrake(30" long).. Since i don't have an action (TC Encore) with the 32 inch barrel it is the same overall length as a bolt rifle with a 26" tube.
Maybe in your eyes I'm not a real hunter because i like magnum rounds but i am sure there are many people out there that like them as much as i do. So don't be so hurt when someone disagrees with you on the interet owe sorry for calling you crazy it was a figure of speech not name calling!!!!!!!!!! Good Huntin
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Enjoy my friend, you will have a long life to see many more things yet. After a while the picture will become much more clear. As I said........I too had the 30 caliber magnum "itch" when I was younger. But 75 more yards beyond the already functional 350 with that massive beast of a rifle was just not gonna work out for me. Hope you have the long term backbone and desire to pack it around. Equally well I hope that single shot action is going to be sufficient for you. As far as a "hunt from home" round goes, I wish you well finding ammo for those cartridges in Africa, Alaska, Mongolia, Austrailia, Europe, Argentina, Mexico, Canada, etc. You see this is the Africa forum. It's a long way from a Walmart, or your local friendly firearms shop, or your reloading bench. That's why it's a "hunt close to home round" you ain't gonna find your ammo supply outside your neighborhood gun shop.
On this forum the picture of success is far bigger then whats "cool" today. or this season, or this year. Probably why guns like the .270. .308, 30/06, .338. 300HH 300 win mag, 300 weatherby, 375HH and 458 win mag are so successfully used for INTERNATIONAL hunters. They are well known and used cartridges several at the 100 year mark of success. Think about how many new cartridges have come and gone in 10 years, yet several of these have been around over 100 years and the least senior cartridge is about 50 years old. Lazzeroni won't even be around in 50 years! Nor will the 30/378 for that matter. These are "trendy" cartridges designed to seperate an otherwise intelligent man from his money!
Since this is the "AFRICA" forum, its probably worthy to discuss the use in Africa. And for that matter I think you will be learning quite a lot more as you get older and prepare for that Africa trip. It makes no difference to me what you bring or what you use. I've seen quite a diverse selection of firearms and bullets used as you might imagine. At some point you will see what you should bring along to best suit your needs. If you think it's a single shot ultra high velocity round, then by all means bring that with and enjoy the trip. It's an odd choice but then I've had people with Muzzle loaders, archery, handguns, and a spear too. So just make sure that you practice and can shoot very well at steep angles and freehand to 100 yards. After that a Barnes TSX bullet and you will do fine.
As for how serious I take this.............Well I am the moderator here! So yeah...........I'm serious and passionate about it or what would be the point!
On this forum the picture of success is far bigger then whats "cool" today. or this season, or this year. Probably why guns like the .270. .308, 30/06, .338. 300HH 300 win mag, 300 weatherby, 375HH and 458 win mag are so successfully used for INTERNATIONAL hunters. They are well known and used cartridges several at the 100 year mark of success. Think about how many new cartridges have come and gone in 10 years, yet several of these have been around over 100 years and the least senior cartridge is about 50 years old. Lazzeroni won't even be around in 50 years! Nor will the 30/378 for that matter. These are "trendy" cartridges designed to seperate an otherwise intelligent man from his money!
Since this is the "AFRICA" forum, its probably worthy to discuss the use in Africa. And for that matter I think you will be learning quite a lot more as you get older and prepare for that Africa trip. It makes no difference to me what you bring or what you use. I've seen quite a diverse selection of firearms and bullets used as you might imagine. At some point you will see what you should bring along to best suit your needs. If you think it's a single shot ultra high velocity round, then by all means bring that with and enjoy the trip. It's an odd choice but then I've had people with Muzzle loaders, archery, handguns, and a spear too. So just make sure that you practice and can shoot very well at steep angles and freehand to 100 yards. After that a Barnes TSX bullet and you will do fine.
As for how serious I take this.............Well I am the moderator here! So yeah...........I'm serious and passionate about it or what would be the point!
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Well, You being the moderator has no impact on me whatsoever. You still need to lighten up abit and not be so quick to shutdown people when they ask about a new round say a 375 ruger. I understand the if it ain't broke why fix it mentality but what fun is that? I do agree with you about being able to find the standard rounds in africa/mongolia etc.Ammo wise except if i were going to africa i would bring plenty of ammo with me not just a box or so. I know what if they lose my ammo in the airport or something??? Then they probably would have lost my my rifles as well!! . Other than that i will agree to completely disagree with you on the other points you made. (30-378 weatherby and Lazzeroni not being around in 50 yrs and them just a trendy round to take an otherwise intelligent mans money??
) Wow.I surely hope these company's are around in 50 yrs. but i guess you can foresee the future on that one, you know since your an oldtimer and know everything about everthing. You know awhile back i read an article where craid Bddington took a I guess trendy round to africa let me think, i think it was when all the trendy rounds came out from remington it was a 338 rem. Ultra mag and shot all kinds of animals including cape buffalo. I read all the time of about these gun writers in the magazines taking all these trendy rounds to africa,alaska etc. Owe and by the way i use only barnes bullets in my rifles. If i were going to africa tomorrow i would bring my Odd choice of a gun with my trendy round and bring another barrel with an oldtimer round so ammo i guess would not be such a big deal. I guess i will just take my silly little trendy gun that won't be around in 50 yrs ( Shoot i guess i better just sell it or throw it away and buy a good old 3006)
You know something as i ponder what to do either sell all my trendy rifles that are useless, i sit back and wonder how such a opinionated/agressive person who won't or can't accept new round into this Africa forum get to be a moderator. Since you know this forum has soo much traffic compared to the other forums. I watch the other moderators on the other forums and they don't jump on people who post something as simple about a new round such as a 375 ruger and you go on a rant about new cartidges and where are they now. Well they are filling freezers all over the USA and people are still buying them. The only reason i even posted was because i saw you rant about the new cartidges and thought hmm odd let's see it won't be to hard to get this know it all fired up!!
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Before this goes any further down the wrong road, let's keep in mind that the original poster asked if anyone has used or shot the .375 Ruger. The question wasn't a request for a show-down between new school and old school, or anything else.
There are a zillion gunwriters out there, and twice as many wannabe gunwriters, and all of them have an opinion about the new stuff vs the old stuff. Some like it, some don't. That's good enough, and we can leave it at that.
JJ, it might be useful and constructive to find out if bpnclark had a specific question about the .375 Ruger, since he did leave it pretty vague before the discussion turned south.
There are a zillion gunwriters out there, and twice as many wannabe gunwriters, and all of them have an opinion about the new stuff vs the old stuff. Some like it, some don't. That's good enough, and we can leave it at that.
JJ, it might be useful and constructive to find out if bpnclark had a specific question about the .375 Ruger, since he did leave it pretty vague before the discussion turned south.
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Speckmisser,
I agree with you totally. Sorry for my part in turning this post south!!
later, Chris
I agree with you totally. Sorry for my part in turning this post south!!
later, Chris
No stress whatever on my part, I've done this for a living a very long time. I'm not a recreational sportsman hunting a few weeks, or weekends a year. I'm an industry professional in this field for more then 20 years. I know quite a lot about the topic, and have been down this road more times then I can count with others who started out the same way. As I have stated OVER AND OVER I wish him well, and hope the best for him. It's all good. I take people with every kind of hunting arm imaginable. So I've seen the trials and tribulations of many different tools every year.
Unfortunately there are countless young hunters I'm interested in helping get beyond the hype of the "bigger, faster, louder, crowd" so that they can actually have a tool that will work for them without the worry of social status regarding what they hunt with. Or the unfortunate recoil pounding that drives then away from hunting altogehter
In my line of work I see a whole lot of folks bringing super magnums that they cannot shoot worth a crap. Quit a few will say "wow somthing is wrong with my scope, bedding, rings, ammo, etc, etc. you fill in the blank. Then they use my 30/06 and whack the next five animals in 5 shots. This is not a rare or exceptional situation, it's happened dozens of times.
The next part is the most interesting of all. Every one of them will say something to the effect of; wow I cannot believe this 30/06 knocks these animals down and works so good, had I known that it's what I would have bought instead of my XYZ.
or wow this 30/06 is amazing, I never knew the 30/06 was so powerful. There are lots more quotes or comments but they all lead down the same road.
There are countless fantastic cartridges today. However when you really think about the function of most of them, think about how similiar many of them actually are.
Somebody had a great idea about the 300HH, yet another thought 100fps with the 300 win mag was a huge leap better, then Roy said heck I can beat that by 150fps, and then the 378/300 beats that one along with the Lazeroni's and the handful of others. Did the Magnums after the 300HH mag really manage to do anything different then the 300HH? Each was a new level in marginal performance over the next. But more important, more were actaully sold to the same guys who had the previous velocity leader.
The magazine writers getting paid and supported by the manufacturers wrote about how fantastic these new cartridges were and how they would change the world of hunting. The articles pumped up the economy of the manufacturers because otherwise intelligent people were seperated from their money once again. I for one am grateful that the gun companies have stayed in business. But much of what they have offered was a PT barnum event.
As an example think about the short mags for a moment. They solve a huge problem nobody had. The 300 short mag does what? It jams when it feeds quickly and under stress much of the time. I've simply lost count of the jams I've seen this past season alone with the whole series of short magnums.
The hype and the way remington was going to change the world with the Ultra mag. Still have not seen a single box of Ultra Mag ammo outside the USA. Cannot find any Ultra mag ammo just about anyplace now that I think of it. What did the 375 ultra mag do to improve or change the world compared to the 375HH...............nothing at all. What about the 300 ultra mag, how did that change the world over the 300 win mag or weatherby or even the slow poke 300HH? The same can be said for the Lazeroni cartridges. Just exaclty what can they provide over the same cartridge they were designed to replace? 25-75 yards PBR at the most??
No different with the 375Ruger, aside from having a great left hand offering what will the 375Ruger do that the 375HH does not?
I'm certainly not against new developments in cartrdiges, bullets, powder, scopes, etc etc. However I do expect something functional before I get all fired up with excitement about something new. And I certainly would like to see something proven by ballistics and performance before I actually get seperated from my hard earned dollars( or rands).
I already answered the original question quite well, if the poster has more to ask, I'll gladly add more from my experience with it.
Unfortunately there are countless young hunters I'm interested in helping get beyond the hype of the "bigger, faster, louder, crowd" so that they can actually have a tool that will work for them without the worry of social status regarding what they hunt with. Or the unfortunate recoil pounding that drives then away from hunting altogehter
In my line of work I see a whole lot of folks bringing super magnums that they cannot shoot worth a crap. Quit a few will say "wow somthing is wrong with my scope, bedding, rings, ammo, etc, etc. you fill in the blank. Then they use my 30/06 and whack the next five animals in 5 shots. This is not a rare or exceptional situation, it's happened dozens of times.
The next part is the most interesting of all. Every one of them will say something to the effect of; wow I cannot believe this 30/06 knocks these animals down and works so good, had I known that it's what I would have bought instead of my XYZ.
or wow this 30/06 is amazing, I never knew the 30/06 was so powerful. There are lots more quotes or comments but they all lead down the same road.
There are countless fantastic cartridges today. However when you really think about the function of most of them, think about how similiar many of them actually are.
Somebody had a great idea about the 300HH, yet another thought 100fps with the 300 win mag was a huge leap better, then Roy said heck I can beat that by 150fps, and then the 378/300 beats that one along with the Lazeroni's and the handful of others. Did the Magnums after the 300HH mag really manage to do anything different then the 300HH? Each was a new level in marginal performance over the next. But more important, more were actaully sold to the same guys who had the previous velocity leader.
The magazine writers getting paid and supported by the manufacturers wrote about how fantastic these new cartridges were and how they would change the world of hunting. The articles pumped up the economy of the manufacturers because otherwise intelligent people were seperated from their money once again. I for one am grateful that the gun companies have stayed in business. But much of what they have offered was a PT barnum event.
As an example think about the short mags for a moment. They solve a huge problem nobody had. The 300 short mag does what? It jams when it feeds quickly and under stress much of the time. I've simply lost count of the jams I've seen this past season alone with the whole series of short magnums.
The hype and the way remington was going to change the world with the Ultra mag. Still have not seen a single box of Ultra Mag ammo outside the USA. Cannot find any Ultra mag ammo just about anyplace now that I think of it. What did the 375 ultra mag do to improve or change the world compared to the 375HH...............nothing at all. What about the 300 ultra mag, how did that change the world over the 300 win mag or weatherby or even the slow poke 300HH? The same can be said for the Lazeroni cartridges. Just exaclty what can they provide over the same cartridge they were designed to replace? 25-75 yards PBR at the most??
No different with the 375Ruger, aside from having a great left hand offering what will the 375Ruger do that the 375HH does not?
I'm certainly not against new developments in cartrdiges, bullets, powder, scopes, etc etc. However I do expect something functional before I get all fired up with excitement about something new. And I certainly would like to see something proven by ballistics and performance before I actually get seperated from my hard earned dollars( or rands).
I already answered the original question quite well, if the poster has more to ask, I'll gladly add more from my experience with it.
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upper,
I am going to paint those gloves camo just for you lol. Cmon it's a TRENDY thing these days to wear gloves like those!:lol bashing sign:
I am going to paint those gloves camo just for you lol. Cmon it's a TRENDY thing these days to wear gloves like those!:lol bashing sign:
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Sorry for the confusion and the delay. I was just wondering if anyone has used the 375 Ruger on any African Game animals. I’m already planning on going back to Africa and I saw the price tag on the new Ruger.
$999!!!!
257scramjet - I use my Dad's 30-378 for everything over 350 yards. Nothing better for speedgoats.
It has a muzzle break on it and I can't image using one without it.
$999!!!!
257scramjet - I use my Dad's 30-378 for everything over 350 yards. Nothing better for speedgoats.
BPNclark
You hit the nail on the head right there when you stated the price for the ruger. I hunt with A ruger 375 in Australia and the reason I purchased the rifle was because I do a lot of shooting hunting deer over hounds and do fire a lot of rounds. The people I hunt with have used and reloaded the 375H&H round and all of them have one complaint about the round and that is because the case is so tapered it stretches easily after firing a few times. Ask any of the recognised gun scribes what the one fault with the 375H&H is and I think they will all agree on this point . I had always wanted a 375magnum but was turned off by the case design to the point I was thinking about a 375H&H improved but along came ruger with their round which suits my purpose. I bought it not for the extra velocity although it is there if I need it, but for the cheaper more handy rifle that ruger produced for this round .It has put a fine calibre that gives magnum performance into the hands of most hunters without the high price tags of most Magnum length action firearms.
The round can be easily adapted tpo any standard length action by opening the bolt face and rebarreling to this round . What a good cheap way to use up an old action or rifle that has seen better days and is just laying around.
Perhaps we should think about a phrase I once learnt about what marketing is " Marketing is the means of supplying want satisfying goods for the consumer" Sometimes a new design of cartridge/calibre or rifle comes along which the manufacturer has through their marketing team found there is a need for and rightly or wrongly we buy and use this new creation because we perceive it as being something that fills our needs. We do not have to justify that purchase to anyone but ourselves and if we make a mistake then that is our problem and we either live with it or change it. We are fortunate enough to live in democratic countries where we are able to make these choices and we dont need to be told howled down because our choice dosent fit with anothers ideals..
You hit the nail on the head right there when you stated the price for the ruger. I hunt with A ruger 375 in Australia and the reason I purchased the rifle was because I do a lot of shooting hunting deer over hounds and do fire a lot of rounds. The people I hunt with have used and reloaded the 375H&H round and all of them have one complaint about the round and that is because the case is so tapered it stretches easily after firing a few times. Ask any of the recognised gun scribes what the one fault with the 375H&H is and I think they will all agree on this point . I had always wanted a 375magnum but was turned off by the case design to the point I was thinking about a 375H&H improved but along came ruger with their round which suits my purpose. I bought it not for the extra velocity although it is there if I need it, but for the cheaper more handy rifle that ruger produced for this round .It has put a fine calibre that gives magnum performance into the hands of most hunters without the high price tags of most Magnum length action firearms.
The round can be easily adapted tpo any standard length action by opening the bolt face and rebarreling to this round . What a good cheap way to use up an old action or rifle that has seen better days and is just laying around.
Perhaps we should think about a phrase I once learnt about what marketing is " Marketing is the means of supplying want satisfying goods for the consumer" Sometimes a new design of cartridge/calibre or rifle comes along which the manufacturer has through their marketing team found there is a need for and rightly or wrongly we buy and use this new creation because we perceive it as being something that fills our needs. We do not have to justify that purchase to anyone but ourselves and if we make a mistake then that is our problem and we either live with it or change it. We are fortunate enough to live in democratic countries where we are able to make these choices and we dont need to be told howled down because our choice dosent fit with anothers ideals..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (257scramjet @ Aug 15 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Those are some pretty cool gloves.........Gore-Tex? How are you able to pull the trigger?
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Rodney hood,
Ha ha the only way i shot was the gloves scared the trigger!!
I am going to market those style gloves for the TRENDY people hunting in africa with 3006 and 375 H@H. JJhack has already ordered 10 pairs
Ha ha the only way i shot was the gloves scared the trigger!!
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257 Scramjet,
Every body has an opion. The important thing is what works best for you!!!
If you have a extra pair of those gloves laying around I would take a pair.
Every body has an opion. The important thing is what works best for you!!!
If you have a extra pair of those gloves laying around I would take a pair.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bigjedd @ Oct 22 2007, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I thought your government was making it awfully tough for you diggers
to own guns? Was I mis-informed or is your govt. slidding away from the path of democracy?
Which recognised gun scribes should I ask? The same ones that claim the .220 swift stretches? After loading that one for 30 some years and I know that they are full of condensed apple pie. I have not loaded the .375 as much but for nearly as long and they just don't stretch as much as you seem to think that they will. Fact is that pressure, not case shape determines stretch. Don't get me wrong, if the rifle and cartridge makes you happy- it's the right gun for you. I just think you've misread a data point.
A couple of questions
I thought your government was making it awfully tough for you diggers
Which recognised gun scribes should I ask? The same ones that claim the .220 swift stretches? After loading that one for 30 some years and I know that they are full of condensed apple pie. I have not loaded the .375 as much but for nearly as long and they just don't stretch as much as you seem to think that they will. Fact is that pressure, not case shape determines stretch. Don't get me wrong, if the rifle and cartridge makes you happy- it's the right gun for you. I just think you've misread a data point.
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I have read that the rem calibers like the 416 rem are loaded hot and in the hot African sun they will heat up and increase in pressure and fail .That's one reason why the old low pressure h&h cartages are liked and can handle the harsh day to day Ph work. I also found a interesting article on guns being tested for a PH exam .The big names weatherby ruger rem had problems.
