7 accused of hunting at night and with knives.

[ZEKEDAWG]

Seems to me there was some rule here about posting links to articles, couldn't find the rule but I seem to remember you have to post part of the article and then the link. I tried. please help me out if I did this wrong.



"Seven men face charges of illegally hunting pigs at night after Department of Fish and Game officers spotted the Tehama County hunting party early Saturday morning using an airplane with night-vision equipment.
DFG officers were on patrol Friday night and early Saturday morning to catch people illegally hunting at night, said Scott Willems, a patrol lieutenant supervisor with the DFG...."

Seven men accused of illegally hunting pigs at night : Latest News : Redding Record Searchlight

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RANCHO TEHAMA - A group of men accused this weekend of illegally hunting pigs at night had an unusual - and illegal - method of dispatching their quarry, wardens say.
Lt. Scott Willems of the California Department of Fish and Game said the five men and their two guides had been following dogs that track pigs down and corner them."


Pig hunters say they were within their rights to kill boars : News : Redding Record Searchlight




seems they had good intentions. Will have to watch to see how this plays out.

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

i hope the judge throws the book at these fool's!.........................tra

 

[map]

Good memories of that place.

The article says that the men were hunting at Black Ranch, where ever that is? Sounds like there are still a few pigs in Tehama County. I remember hunting above Dye Creek Reserve, but that was yeas ago. We used to back pack down through Kingsley Cove and then cut over to Dye Creek. The hunters at the private pay to hunt ranch would chase the pigs right up hill into our sights. Only problem was packing the meat back up hill through Kingsley Cove. We could only carry the loin back for pork chops. With no cell phones in those days we couldn't call out to Paynes Creek for an outfitter with pack animals to pack our pig out of there. I posted a 3-D map of that area a few months back, but someone here got mad about it, so it must still be prety good? Has anyone hunted hogs there lately?

Richard

 

[dglover]

It sounds like these fools are full of excuses. Of course it won't be there fault it never is when you are dealing with criminals. This is more bad publicity for those of us who are ethical hunters. The newspapers don't print articles about the ethical hunter very often as there is not much of a story in it. This is not a rancher trying to take care of a hunter but more of a unethical guide trying to make some money. Good job to DFG for catching them!

 

[RIFLEMAN]

Roman Archer,

i hope the judge throws the book at these fool's!

Why, exactly?

 

[g791]

Zekedawg I just tried to post a link for an article in a diff thread it didn't work. I tried for an hour but no cigar. How or where are these rules ? anybody

 

[easymoney]

Hope they trow the book at em, but know that they will only get a slap on the wrist...
To post a link or portion of an article,
Start at the "new topic" button, left click to open, right click and highlight the portion of the article you want to post and then select copy, right click and select paste the portion of the article into the new topic post, do the same with the web address of the article from up at the top of your browser where the article is located...
IMHO, the rule was started to keep the portion of the articles to a minimum and not post the entire article to hog the server.

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Rifleman, basicly if anyone on that hunt is guilty of the accutations or charges in that case of any type of poaching or breaking the laws for what they were doing on that ranch to pig hunt it only made sense to me that they should be made an example of and be charged to the fullest, if they are innocent then god bless them to hunt another day...................tra

 

[RIFLEMAN]

Roman Archer,

Is it because they are accused of violating the law, or is it the nature of the laws that were allegedly violated that you are most concerned by?

 

[THE ROMAN ARCHER]

Rifelman, i would say the only main concern is the "representation" of us hunters is at stake when you here stories like that, they do more damage then good, true or not. non-hunters "perception" of us is not to good already and we don't want to dig the hole any deeper then it is. everything ok Rifelman, it just how the story made me react, just my honest opinion and a couple of other members here opinion to in their post. have a great day my friend, and we will chat agian soon...................tra

 

[JNDEER]

Lock them up and throw away the keys!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe while they are in jail they can learn English and how to properly read DFG Reg's...

 

[SCREWLOOSE]

After reading the article and seeing thier names I would assume (I know Bad Idea) that they already know English. So apparently they just did not choose to read/follow the DFG reg's...Throw the book at 'em...

 

[muddy_udders]

Yeah all seemed to me to be white people. Damn the white devil alway screwing shit up.

Like others have said full of excuses.
Booked a hunt to help rid the ranch of a horrible beast that kills calves to save a dying boy from Leukemia.

Did I miss anything?

 

[shoot-it]

Yeah all seemed to me to be white people. Damn the white devil alway screwing shit up.

Like others have said full of excuses.
Booked a hunt to help rid the ranch of a horrible beast that kills calves to save a dying boy from Leukemia.

Did I miss anything?

Wild hogs kill calves I never heard of that. I have heard of a guy that hunts with hog dogs and will cross boarders all the time onto other properties I hope he gets caught to.

 

[spectr17]

Seems to me there was some rule here about posting links to articles, couldn't find the rule but I seem to remember you have to post part of the article and then the link. I tried. please help me out if I did this wrong.

IMHO, the rule was started to keep the portion of the articles to a minimum and not post the entire article to hog the server.

The 2 paragraph rule is for copyright. If we let members post entire articles we get cease and desist emails from newspapers and other companies. The use of 2 paragraphs and a link is allowed by many so we use it here.

There is no issue with server capacity, we have our own dedicated server on steroids. At least that what the bill says :rotflmao:

 

[RIFLEMAN]

shoot-it,

Wild hogs kill calves I never heard of that.

Yep, it happens. In fact, it just happened two weeks ago on a ranch I hunt on. The unusual thing about it was the fact that the hogs did not wait for the calf to be born to eat it; the rancher went to bed with the cow beginning to give birth and woke up to find the calf still halfway in the cow with half of its head eaten. She pulled it out with her quad and drug it down to the river. There was not a scrap left the next day. With the poor rainfall and the absence of an acorn crop this year, the hogs are starving in my neck of the woods.

 

[bigboarstopper]

Not so fast

There is a law that allows a person to kill hogs 24 hours a day with no licence and no pig tags. Dont let the dfg fool you. Now I dont know the details of what these guys were doing exactly and if the law applied to them. the newspaper report dosent seem to support them using the law correctly but I have dealt with the dfg for many years and I can say that the are as full of bs as anybody. I encourage everyone to go to your local dfg office and ask for the dfg's "guidelines for wild pig depredation" you will be amased as to how close to the truth about the law those supossed poachers were using. The dfg dosen always tell the whole story. I for one have been using that law since 96. I have been cited by dfg and subsiquently told by a judge that I commited no crime and was within the law as it applied to me. The dfg thinks this way in my experience, They will cite you for everything and anything. The wardens know that fighting a citation costs as much as pleading guilty. In anysituation its a lose lose for the person on the recieving end. I have been flat out lied to by wardens on many occasions. I hunt often and have come to know many wardens on a first name basis, thus I have had many dealings with them. I have showed the wardens their own department memmo regarging that law and have been told its either expired, invalid, or they have never even seen the document before. My advice dont trust a warden and know the law better than they do. I have posted this full document on calguns in the hunting section. The thread title is "what dfg dosent want you to know" I encourage you all to read it before you cut down a fellow hunter.

 

[RIFLEMAN]

My biggest gripe about this situation is:
1. The DFG spokesman is an absolute idiot. To say that knives are inhumane is patently false. A knife to the heart is easily more humane than the use of archery equipment and is nearly as humane as a firearm. There is also no comparison to the sporting aspect of using a knife compared to all other methods of take. California's regulations are woefully ignorant in this regard. Also, the spokesman is incorrect regarding the regulations relating to the take of depredating hogs.
2. Technically speaking, CADFG has no management authority of the feral hog, as the species is neither native nor purposely introduced by the state in order to enhance recreational opportunities for Californians.
3. This is a victimless crime. The owner of the property was essentially soliciting the assistance of those with the expertise and equipment to mitigate damage to his property from a non-native and prolific invasive species.
4. There are FAR better efforts to focus CADFG resources to, especially in our current economic climate. The survival and prosperity of the feral hog in California does not require enforcement efforts of this kind.

 

[RIFLEMAN]

Roman,

I can certainly understand and respect your sensitivity to the impression this kind of situation can leave with the voting and non-hunting public. No argument there.

 

[Farmerdoug]

My biggest gripe about this situation is:
1. The DFG spokesman is an absolute idiot. To say that knives are inhumane is patently false. A knife to the heart is easily more humane than the use of archery equipment and is nearly as humane as a firearm. There is also no comparison to the sporting aspect of using a knife compared to all other methods of take. California's regulations are woefully ignorant in this regard. Also, the spokesman is incorrect regarding the regulations relating to the take of depredating hogs.
2. Technically speaking, CADFG has no management authority of the feral hog, as the species is neither native nor purposely introduced by the state in order to enhance recreational opportunities for Californians.
3. This is a victimless crime. The owner of the property was essentially soliciting the assistance of those with the expertise and equipment to mitigate damage to his property from a non-native and prolific invasive species.
4. There are FAR better efforts to focus CADFG resources to, especially in our current economic climate. The survival and prosperity of the feral hog in California does not require enforcement efforts of this kind.

Rifleman: You make some good points. Maybe not PC with some people, but well said.......