7 accused of hunting at night and with knives.

[Taylor31]

Native or non native doesn't really matter when there are so many people that either make a living off the game in question or have a supplemental income from them. In order for them to continue this and create a residual income they must ensure survival of their assets. Considering the best pig populations seem to be on private lands I don't think it would make a difference if they opened it up to eliminate them.

It does make a huge difference. As it is right now if I go to the sale yard and by some pigs and I free ranged them on my property if I want to harvest them or there young in a year or two, I would have to have by tag. This is not the case with any other domestic. Also a big question for me is why is there a plane out over private property looking for hog hunters at night? It is legal to hunt hogs at night in Nevada county as well as many countys in this state with a depredation permit, which we dont know weather or not they have one.

As far as the other responces on hunter ethics. These guys are trying to thin the hog load on there property. They are bending the rules and breaking a law or two. If I see a hog in my calving field, it wont be alive long. In the course of a day we as people break many laws. It is funny people say they give "hunters a bad name." I think that the state needs to reevaluate it's prioritys. We have lost trout plants, because they are non-native. They are discusing eliminating striper regulations, and limits because they are non-native. We lowered funding on salmon hatcherys, yet we can aford to send out planes with night vision to catch people killing hogs on private property in there calving fields...... It was not long ago our state payed guys from Austrailia to kill hogs to preserve the kit fox, and now we are calling for guys to be sent to jail over two hogs they killed in there calving fields.

 

[bigboarstopper]

wow lotsa pantys getting all bunched up in here

OK ok ok, I hate to repeat my self but after i post I get a flogging from some folks in here. Like I have said before I dont know the details of what those accused were doing and If they were folling the law like they said they were. My whole point was that there was a law in existience that is there. As for my case, some had asked for case numbers and wardens to speak to about my situation. Really? Ok, The warden who cited me was warden jacob nicoles. You may recodnise him in the field by the spit that gathers in the corners in his mouth when he talks. My case number was ad1719633. To clarify something else my case was dismissed by the judge, We didnt even get to the trial portion. The district attorney had the warden come to the court to testify for some pre trial thing ( not sure what that is called) and after that the judge asked him some questions said we didnt do anything wrong ect ect. I recieved all this info from my lawyer. I was at work. So there. And how about this for being jaded twards dfg wardens. When my case was dismissed I tryed to retain my tracking systems and all my other hunting related items that had been confiscated I discovered that the warden jacob nicoles had transfered from san benito county to the redding office. 5 hour drive away. And if i wanted my stuff Id have to wait a few months because warden nicoles was out with a work related injury. I was more than welcome to drive up to the redding office to pick the stuff up once nicols boo boo got better. So I come to find out my property wasnt in a evedence locker in a local dfg office but at warden nicoles HOUSE for the last year after he had transfered to northern california. (my case took almost a year). Finally after making many many angry phone calls to dfg I finally get some big wig to call me back after a month and get the incomplete list of my belongings delivered to the monterey office. I was missing a tracking collar. It was listed in his evidence sheet. But dfg told me that they couldnt find it and they couldnt see it in the evidence pictures so it must have been a typo on his confiscated evidence list. I could write a book on all the ass backwards stuff that went on. Now im sure there are well meaning wardens out there I have even come across a few. Berry ciccone is a decent warden. Very dedicated. He even gave me a depredation permit once. Oh yah somone said something about hot the encounter ony applies to the offending pigs that were encountered. Please oh please read the darn info. In #7 in the matrix says that pigs dont even need to be present for this law to apply. Discoverey of damage or threat of damage will suffice. So let the flogging begin only read the dam paper first. But really folks do you believe everything you read in the newspaper? Those guys may be guilty as sin but I wasnt there. nor were you. Im just providing some extra info that I have and my own personal perspective that you dont have to agree with if you dont wanna.

 

[bigboarstopper]

by the way, I still dont use spell check and I like to annoy wardens

 

[dglover]

It does make a huge difference. As it is right now if I go to the sale yard and by some pigs and I free ranged them on my property if I want to harvest them or there young in a year or two, I would have to have by tag. This is not the case with any other domestic. Also a big question for me is why is there a plane out over private property looking for hog hunters at night? It is legal to hunt hogs at night in Nevada county as well as many countys in this state with a depredation permit, which we dont know weather or not they have one.

Beleive it or not you just proved my point for me. Provided the validity of your statement is not in question. Think about the $$$ and the limitations you described. Then reflect on our current political climate and how regulations and laws are voted on. Next look at wether or not the major players would let their revenue stream vanish.

As for the plane:

Why would DFG place a robotic deer in plain view for people to shoot at?

Why would Police departments have female officers pose a prostitutes?

Why do we have law enforcement?

According to what I have read and unless I am missing something it is legal to hunt at night in all counties with the proper permit.

The article states that they did not have a permit. But maybe someone is being less then truthful?

 

[dglover]

Like I have said before I dont know the details of what those accused were doing and If they were folling the law like they said they were.

Opinions are usually formed after gathering facts and considering the facts as presented.

As for my case, some had asked for case numbers and wardens to speak to about my situation.

Just one really.

Really? Ok, The warden who cited me was warden jacob nicoles. You may recodnise him in the field by the spit that gathers in the corners in his mouth when he talks. My case number was ad1719633.

Thanks for posting info.

To clarify something else my case was dismissed by the judge, We didnt even get to the trial portion. The district attorney had the warden come to the court to testify for some pre trial thing ( not sure what that is called)

Preliminary Hearing maybe?

I recieved all this info from my lawyer. I was at work. So there. And how about this for being jaded twards dfg wardens. When my case was dismissed I tryed to retain my tracking systems and all my other hunting related items that had been confiscated I discovered that the warden jacob nicoles had transfered from san benito county to the redding office. 5 hour drive away. And if i wanted my stuff Id have to wait a few months because warden nicoles was out with a work related injury. I was more than welcome to drive up to the redding office to pick the stuff up once nicols boo boo got better. So I come to find out my property wasnt in a evedence locker in a local dfg office but at warden nicoles HOUSE for the last year after he had transfered to northern california. (my case took almost a year).

Corruption is a pretty heavy charge do you have any proof?

Did you waive your right to a speedy trial?
Finally after making many many angry phone calls to dfg I finally get some big wig to call me back after a month and get the incomplete list of my belongings delivered to the monterey office. I was missing a tracking collar. It was listed in his evidence sheet. But dfg told me that they couldnt find it and they couldnt see it in the evidence pictures so it must have been a typo on his confiscated evidence list. I could write a book on all the ass backwards stuff that went on. Now im sure there are well meaning wardens out there I have even come across a few.

I am sure 99% are well meaning.

Berry ciccone is a decent warden. Very dedicated. He even gave me a depredation permit once.

Are they issued to you or the landowner?

Who can apply for them?

Oh yah somone said something about hot the encounter ony applies to the offending pigs that were encountered. Please oh please read the darn info. In #7 in the matrix says that pigs dont even need to be present for this law to apply. Discoverey of damage or threat of damage will suffice. So let the flogging begin only read the dam paper first. But really folks do you believe everything you read in the newspaper? Those guys may be guilty as sin but I wasnt there. nor were you. Im just providing some extra info that I have and my own personal perspective that you dont have to agree with if you dont wanna.

Oh never mind....... :stir pot:

 

[dglover]

by the way, I still dont use spell check and I like to annoy wardens

-Please start!

-Just another honest law biding citizen who is misunderstood right?:stir pot:

 

[Taylor31]

Why would DFG place a robotic deer in plain view for people to shoot at?

Why would Police departments have female officers pose a prostitutes?

Why do we have law enforcement?

According to what I have read and unless I am missing something it is legal to hunt at night in all counties with the proper permit.

The article states that they did not have a permit. But maybe someone is being less then truthful?

I agree it is a money issue, but what I dont agree with is the hypacracy of trying to decrease non-native invasive spieces while incuraging the natives when it fits the state purpose. If hogs are game animals, why not coyotes, ground squirls, badgers they do as much damage and are native, am I going to have to get a tag to trap rats in my barn or house at some point :smiley-mouse:? That would bring revenue too. Would you buy a tag, or would you get rid of the rats and if you got caught have some guys on the internet say they should lock you up and through away the keys???????????? They dont go deep in peoples private ranches to set up fake deer they set them where the public can get them on roads, and I am not sure they even do it in this state. You dont have a police prostitute come work your living room either. Although that might be intertaining....... Yes there are ways to have the state "let you" get rid of the hogs on your property if they do damage. But do hogs deserve the same management as deer and lions?

 

[muddy_udders]

But do hogs deserve the same management as deer and lions?

Yes,
If the state wants to keep selling over priced tags then they deserve the same respect and management. They are the number one big game animal in Ca. I think.

 

[dglover]

I agree it is a money issue, but what I dont agree with is the hypacracy of trying to decrease non-native invasive spieces while incuraging the natives when it fits the state purpose. If hogs are game animals, why not coyotes, ground squirls, badgers they do as much damage and are native, am I going to have to get a tag to trap rats in my barn or house at some point :smiley-mouse:? That would bring revenue too. Would you buy a tag, or would you get rid of the rats and if you got caught have some guys on the internet say they should lock you up and through away the keys???????????? They dont go deep in peoples private ranches to set up fake deer they set them where the public can get them on roads, and I am not sure they even do it in this state. You dont have a police prostitute come work your living room either. Although that might be intertaining....... Yes there are ways to have the state "let you" get rid of the hogs on your property if they do damage. But do hogs deserve the same management as deer and lions?

I think the point by Jesse made earlier is that no one is really trying to decrease the pig populations. That is why they will not let you shoot wet sows.

Your dog is non native and there are laws against shooting him/her whenever you feel like to.

Some animals you are not allowed to shoot at all. We need to look into that one.

Don't mess with my varmint hunting!:mooning:

There are already groups on the internet that want me locked up for the sport I love. (I posted a link to one earlier)

Fake deer are used in this state.

Air space is not considered private and is used all the time by law enforcement to discover hot houses with thermal vision.

You may have had an under cover officer in your house and never even knew it.

There job is to catch criminals. If you feel that you were coerced into something that you wouldn't ordinarily do then yell entrapment. But otherwise you do the crime you do the time.

Is illegal acivity legal if you do it on private property?

I think there are many laws in this leftist state that are absurd. However I have a civic responsibilty to follow them or move.

 

[acousticmood]

Yeah all seemed to me to be white people. Damn the white devil alway screwing shit up.

Like others have said full of excuses.
Booked a hunt to help rid the ranch of a horrible beast that kills calves to save a dying boy from Leukemia.

Did I miss anything?

What?

oh sarcasm.:smiley_doh:

Nevermind.

 

[bigboarstopper]

this post has been updated. bumped for reference to new post.

 

[RIFLEMAN]

What was the outcome of this case? Anyone?

 

[bigboarstopper]

keep looking on the hog page. There is another post with the same title with the word "updated" added to it.

 

[Taylor31]

Wild hogs kill calves I never heard of that.

It happens more then you would expect. I know a guy that lost two cows last year to hogs chewin on them when they were down calving. I bet just as many calves are killed per year by hogs as coyotes. Most any person who has run cattle in an area with alot of hogs has lost calves, cows, and or dogs to them. I know I have lost all three.

I don't understand why so many people are so upset at these guys. Hunting hogs at night is only illegal in this state. Most countys in this state allow spot lighting hogs for depredation, so the only real crime these guys are guilty of is using knives, is an arrow much different in the way it works? They are non-native invasive creatures, I like hunting them just as much as the next guy, but I they are more of a DFG cash crop then anything. Any other exotic would have no season and no limit.