I have been biting my lip the past week reading all these praises from you guys for Pig Guide. I could write all kinds of stories on the page and you would call me Stand-up and full of integrity and so on, but until you actually meet me you don't know if I really am all those things or just blowing smoke up you're butt. As in the case of Pig Guide, I went to hunt last week for a 3-day Buck-Pig combo. On Friday we went out to look at the different small pieces of property and encountered an angry landowner who accused Tom (Pig Guide) of hunting at night and scaring one of his bulls through a fence. Also that none of the other landowners inthe area were too happy with his guide operation and that the game numbers were going down fast since he had been there. Tom denied all wrong doings and we were on our way. The next morning we headed out to the field where we were supposed to have the property all to ourselves when here comes a quad making all kinds of noise and this guy seems to have the same operation going as Tom and there is 4 more hunters their. So we left to another property. Tom apoligized and it seems the land owner's brother gave these guys permission. Tom promised to make it up to us in the way of another weekend hunt. End of the day he finds out that he lost the lease and that we can only hunt one more day. Day 2 I killed a 150# sow bordering a fence to another property. We got the pig down to Tom's truck so he could take it home and put it on ice when a guy drives up and was hoping to hunt were we where and that he knows the land owner and has lived their all his life. I got the impression that he was not happy with all this neither. We stayed in the field 14 hours no bucks. But thats hunting. Day 3 going home. We meet with Tom in the morning. He wants to set us up with another hunt to make up for this one but both of us can't do it and quite honestly didn't have faith in another hunt being any better. So we asked for a refund for the 3rd day. Tom agreed and that it was only fair and he apoligized and promised the check would be in the mail today. That was Monday 8-15. It is now Saturday and no check. The other hunter talked to Tom Yesterday and Tom said he was busy and would try to send the check this weekend. This is all fact. form your own opinions. E-mail me with any questions about the hunt.
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batch, thank you for sharing , glad i did not bite on the SPECIAL HUNTS
that were advertised, you might try posting on the blacktail site to
share your experience. hopefully others will read this and make
there own decision on this operation after hearing a first hand report,
ive made mine, thank you again for sharing your experience and
i hope you get your refund soon!
that were advertised, you might try posting on the blacktail site to
share your experience. hopefully others will read this and make
there own decision on this operation after hearing a first hand report,
ive made mine, thank you again for sharing your experience and
i hope you get your refund soon!
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Hatchet....thank you very much for posting up the info about this hunt.
I've been wondering why would someone offer such great deals on hunting and trying to fit as many people as possible on a ranch in such a short time, then out of no where...the lease (or something like that) is up.
Seems odd to me, but i realize these things happen....
Either way, thanks for the heads up & i hope you get your check back
This thread is going to get interesting real fast.
Either way, thanks for the heads up & i hope you get your check back
This thread is going to get interesting real fast.
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I'm not sure what is going with Tom and SB Co Outfitters. I do know he told us he was losing the lease back in July when Phil (Speckmisser) and I hunted there. I called Tom tonight and left a message and asked him to please refund those hunters who didn't get all their hunts in. It's the only ethical thing to do.
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To me it sounds like PigGuide knew he was losing his lease all along! So he tried booking as many hunts as possible with JHO members so he could make one last dime! The prices, "If it sounds to good to be true it probably is" were not usually what pig hunts and deer hunts sell for, 1st Red Flag! Hatchet, thanks for the heads up!!!
Man, bummer to hear that guys. However, I have had nothing but a great experience with Tom on a varmint only hunt. Tom went out of his way to put us on dogs, and put us on a great spot for shooting squirrels all day. We wound up leaving early because my partner and I were a little tired, and Tom rebooked us for free because we had to call it quits. I hope everything works out for you guys.
First things first. I was guiding Bighorn67 and Orso this weekend.....For the second time in 2 months. I came home for fresh clothes and to look at the post. I left out of anger to calm down. Plus, when I get home and leave home, it is very improper to return a call to Spectre17 which I got while taking Bighorn67 and Orso to their evening spot.
What's so funny is those of you who were singing my praises for these special prices, because guided hunts are " Too Expensive," are now bashing me, based on the word of one person. For those of you who have held judgment until hearing both sides, I thank you. It is the ethical thing to do.
My lease was not up for 4 more months, so, you are wrong about a squeeze play. You have obviously mistaken my kindness for weakness. I told Spectr17 at breakfast that I run these specials every once in awhile, to put more people in the field, who couldn't otherwise go due to the costs.
THAT WILL NEVER BE DONE AGAIN. No discounts for anyone regardless of the situation. I have also stopped ALL gun hunting because, for the most part, my gun hunters EXPECT to leave with game. I do not run high fences. But, I do have plenty of game.
Now to address Batch61 or Mitch.
EVERY PERSON WHO CALLS, IS TOLD THAT I HAVE 1600 ACRES, BROKEN INTO 5 LOCATIONS. YOU ALSO TOUR THE PROPERTY BEFORE GOING OUT. HE CHOSE TO HUNT AND NOW IS BITCHING ABOUT THE SIZE AND BREAKDOWN OF THE LAND.
BEFORE THE HUNT, WHEN YOU SEE THE LAND, THAT'S THE TIME TO STOP, LEAVE AND GET YOUR REFUND.
This is a crop farm and the landowner has depredation hunts. He has people that go out at night and shoot pigs with spot lights. I AM NOT THAT PERSON. I told the neighbor this and he called me liar and said that I am the reason there is no game.
This is the same neighbor who yelled at a guy in my fields, "Don't shoot that pig! That's my pig." Excuse me. Like I said, I don't lie and Mitch is now calling me a liar. Why didn't he confront me then and there?
1st. This was a self guided hunt and he knew this coming in from the very first contact via the phone. I knew on first contact that this was not going to be a good time and should have followed my instinct, but I booked him nonetheless.
However, because of the landowner's mistake, I guided them into another area where there are Bucks and pigs. I PUT them where the animals are constantly being glassed by myself.
2nd. Successful hunting requires skill and patience. That is why there are no guarantees. I have NO control over what Mitch did in the field after I left him. I told him EXACTLY where to sit once I had the land mix up fixed. The place where that 3x5 comes thru EVERY night at 7:30 pm. Mitch instead, backed out 600-700 yards from there to sit with Garrett who was out with him. 2 days later (you read about that here before Mitch's inflammatory slander) a 3x5 Deer was taken in THAT EXACT spot. Had Mitch had the patience to do what I said, the Buck would have been his. Then, with his negative attitude from the minute we met, I believe that the Buck wouldn't have been big enough.
This goes to the old saying... " Never Guide the Guide "
3rd. Statements that the other person who interrupted their hunt was guide, or that there is another operation on that ranch are PATENTLY FALSE! THIS IS NOTHING BUT A LIE! Mitch stood there listening while I conversed with this Man.
He is a life-long, childhood friend of the landowner, who felt they belonged there due to the fact that the owner's brother in charge of my hunting, had no idea his brother had told the man he could hunt.
4th and Finally. I posted about this incident before Mitch ever thought to post it if anyone looked. I posted between the morning hunt and the afternoon hunt. MYSELF! I post the bad and the good with my operation, as I NEVER want second hand crap about myself. I tell the exact truth and I did the day it happened. So those of you who are judging me, having never known me, or never having hunted with me, put your saop boxes away. You're being hypocrites. I made every effort to make Mitch happy.
I had fresh coffee for him, every day. This is a service I provide. He forgot this. In addition, I helped recover, remove, transport and prep his pig for him so that he wouldn't lose time afield. These are at ADDITINAL cost on self guided hunts and EVERYONE signs this fee agreement before they go afield.
So, he had $225 in fees that he was never charged. That is THE whole truth that he omitted. I listened to his every moment of whining over the fog, the cold, lack of visibilty, his gun getting moisture on it. There was constant negativity. Mitch never saw the positive about being in the field. Getting a pig. That buck was his for the taking. He MADE the decision to go against what I said and where the animals were.
2 days later, I had a guy leave my truck, ON HIS OWN, walk straight to that Buck and shoot it. I posted the photo's and Mitch posted the blast on me.
I offered Mitch and Garrett alternate dates and in the same breath they were saying " No, they were busy " while they were sitting there in front of me, making plans to go on a public land hunt in the same time frame. ANOTHER " FACT " Mitch felt didn't need to be mentioned.
The hard fact is that Mitch arrived unhappy and was destined to be unhappy. I firmly believe that once the hunt starts, it is game on. If you do not listen to the guide and where he tells you the animals are, that is on you.
I have refunded clients within minutes of their cancellations and I will cut and paste their replys attesting to as much. By not taking the animal they were after, and refusing my alternate dates, yet, making plans for a public land hunt for the same period, and trying my damndest to make this up to Mitch and Garrett, I am far less motivated to make it up to them now.
I will deal with them personally. I am VERY aware of ETHICS and Morals. That is why I posted this opening day fiasco, ON opening day, myself.
MITCH & GARRETT ARE ONLY THE 2ND GROUP IN 3 YEARS TO LEAVE PISSED OFF. THE FIRST WAS 4 GUYS I CAUGHT DRINKING BEER ON A HUNT WITH ME WHEN I GOT BACK TO THEM ON A DRIVE. They were on hour 3, of day 1, of a 2 day hunt, and they were removed from the field and their hunt cancelled. I notified my lawyer of this immediately as to the fact that they were drinking and thrown out. I know my land, and I know how to make my clients satisfied. But it is impossible to satisfy everyone. There will always be sour grapes. Mitch apparently wanted a guaranteed hunt, regardless of whether he followed the advice of the Guide, and that is just not how it works.
So, there you have it. That is the long and short of it. Now if Spectre decides to make the decision to pull me and my business completely off this website, I am very fine with that decision. If, he feels I am alright to stay, I am fine with that too.
BUT. It is strictly a business decision and I know the difference. I have a GREAT clientele from all of my Gun shops and my repeat clients. I have a 54,000 acre ranch in Kern county and my business will not be affected.
So, take care and I wish you all the best. I also hope you all can know a person and both sides to an issue, before you pass Judgement. You'll see from all of my past posts, that no matter how hard you folks beat a guy down with no knowledge of him, I was never a party to the part.
What's so funny is those of you who were singing my praises for these special prices, because guided hunts are " Too Expensive," are now bashing me, based on the word of one person. For those of you who have held judgment until hearing both sides, I thank you. It is the ethical thing to do.
My lease was not up for 4 more months, so, you are wrong about a squeeze play. You have obviously mistaken my kindness for weakness. I told Spectr17 at breakfast that I run these specials every once in awhile, to put more people in the field, who couldn't otherwise go due to the costs.
THAT WILL NEVER BE DONE AGAIN. No discounts for anyone regardless of the situation. I have also stopped ALL gun hunting because, for the most part, my gun hunters EXPECT to leave with game. I do not run high fences. But, I do have plenty of game.
Now to address Batch61 or Mitch.
EVERY PERSON WHO CALLS, IS TOLD THAT I HAVE 1600 ACRES, BROKEN INTO 5 LOCATIONS. YOU ALSO TOUR THE PROPERTY BEFORE GOING OUT. HE CHOSE TO HUNT AND NOW IS BITCHING ABOUT THE SIZE AND BREAKDOWN OF THE LAND.
BEFORE THE HUNT, WHEN YOU SEE THE LAND, THAT'S THE TIME TO STOP, LEAVE AND GET YOUR REFUND.
This is a crop farm and the landowner has depredation hunts. He has people that go out at night and shoot pigs with spot lights. I AM NOT THAT PERSON. I told the neighbor this and he called me liar and said that I am the reason there is no game.
This is the same neighbor who yelled at a guy in my fields, "Don't shoot that pig! That's my pig." Excuse me. Like I said, I don't lie and Mitch is now calling me a liar. Why didn't he confront me then and there?
1st. This was a self guided hunt and he knew this coming in from the very first contact via the phone. I knew on first contact that this was not going to be a good time and should have followed my instinct, but I booked him nonetheless.
However, because of the landowner's mistake, I guided them into another area where there are Bucks and pigs. I PUT them where the animals are constantly being glassed by myself.
2nd. Successful hunting requires skill and patience. That is why there are no guarantees. I have NO control over what Mitch did in the field after I left him. I told him EXACTLY where to sit once I had the land mix up fixed. The place where that 3x5 comes thru EVERY night at 7:30 pm. Mitch instead, backed out 600-700 yards from there to sit with Garrett who was out with him. 2 days later (you read about that here before Mitch's inflammatory slander) a 3x5 Deer was taken in THAT EXACT spot. Had Mitch had the patience to do what I said, the Buck would have been his. Then, with his negative attitude from the minute we met, I believe that the Buck wouldn't have been big enough.
This goes to the old saying... " Never Guide the Guide "
3rd. Statements that the other person who interrupted their hunt was guide, or that there is another operation on that ranch are PATENTLY FALSE! THIS IS NOTHING BUT A LIE! Mitch stood there listening while I conversed with this Man.
He is a life-long, childhood friend of the landowner, who felt they belonged there due to the fact that the owner's brother in charge of my hunting, had no idea his brother had told the man he could hunt.
4th and Finally. I posted about this incident before Mitch ever thought to post it if anyone looked. I posted between the morning hunt and the afternoon hunt. MYSELF! I post the bad and the good with my operation, as I NEVER want second hand crap about myself. I tell the exact truth and I did the day it happened. So those of you who are judging me, having never known me, or never having hunted with me, put your saop boxes away. You're being hypocrites. I made every effort to make Mitch happy.
I had fresh coffee for him, every day. This is a service I provide. He forgot this. In addition, I helped recover, remove, transport and prep his pig for him so that he wouldn't lose time afield. These are at ADDITINAL cost on self guided hunts and EVERYONE signs this fee agreement before they go afield.
So, he had $225 in fees that he was never charged. That is THE whole truth that he omitted. I listened to his every moment of whining over the fog, the cold, lack of visibilty, his gun getting moisture on it. There was constant negativity. Mitch never saw the positive about being in the field. Getting a pig. That buck was his for the taking. He MADE the decision to go against what I said and where the animals were.
2 days later, I had a guy leave my truck, ON HIS OWN, walk straight to that Buck and shoot it. I posted the photo's and Mitch posted the blast on me.
I offered Mitch and Garrett alternate dates and in the same breath they were saying " No, they were busy " while they were sitting there in front of me, making plans to go on a public land hunt in the same time frame. ANOTHER " FACT " Mitch felt didn't need to be mentioned.
The hard fact is that Mitch arrived unhappy and was destined to be unhappy. I firmly believe that once the hunt starts, it is game on. If you do not listen to the guide and where he tells you the animals are, that is on you.
I have refunded clients within minutes of their cancellations and I will cut and paste their replys attesting to as much. By not taking the animal they were after, and refusing my alternate dates, yet, making plans for a public land hunt for the same period, and trying my damndest to make this up to Mitch and Garrett, I am far less motivated to make it up to them now.
I will deal with them personally. I am VERY aware of ETHICS and Morals. That is why I posted this opening day fiasco, ON opening day, myself.
MITCH & GARRETT ARE ONLY THE 2ND GROUP IN 3 YEARS TO LEAVE PISSED OFF. THE FIRST WAS 4 GUYS I CAUGHT DRINKING BEER ON A HUNT WITH ME WHEN I GOT BACK TO THEM ON A DRIVE. They were on hour 3, of day 1, of a 2 day hunt, and they were removed from the field and their hunt cancelled. I notified my lawyer of this immediately as to the fact that they were drinking and thrown out. I know my land, and I know how to make my clients satisfied. But it is impossible to satisfy everyone. There will always be sour grapes. Mitch apparently wanted a guaranteed hunt, regardless of whether he followed the advice of the Guide, and that is just not how it works.
So, there you have it. That is the long and short of it. Now if Spectre decides to make the decision to pull me and my business completely off this website, I am very fine with that decision. If, he feels I am alright to stay, I am fine with that too.
BUT. It is strictly a business decision and I know the difference. I have a GREAT clientele from all of my Gun shops and my repeat clients. I have a 54,000 acre ranch in Kern county and my business will not be affected.
So, take care and I wish you all the best. I also hope you all can know a person and both sides to an issue, before you pass Judgement. You'll see from all of my past posts, that no matter how hard you folks beat a guy down with no knowledge of him, I was never a party to the part.
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Why? Tom, if you told them you were going to give a refund and put a check in the mail, why not follow through?
I don't know all the details but from what I'm hearing from several people it isn't good. You can make this go away or make it a mess. Your call.
Why? Tom, if you told them you were going to give a refund and put a check in the mail, why not follow through?
I don't know all the details but from what I'm hearing from several people it isn't good. You can make this go away or make it a mess. Your call.
Take this for what it's worth....
I think we should all let Tom and whomever the involved parties are deal with this on their own. Nothing of what WE have to say has any relevance or makes the situation better, it just stirs the pot.
I have been burned by many people as well I am sure every one else here has, but I've been on the other end too, and understand what it's like to get your business splattered all over the internet. If Tom says he will do the right thing, then lets let him.
I see this thread going downhill quick
I think we should all let Tom and whomever the involved parties are deal with this on their own. Nothing of what WE have to say has any relevance or makes the situation better, it just stirs the pot.
I see this thread going downhill quick
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I have been reading this thread with great interest, seeing that I have a hunt booked with SBC Outfitters next month. I have read what everyone has to say, and went back to re-read all the rest of the posts on these forums concerning SBC Outfitter.
With the premise that I am NOT taking sides with any party, nor am i looking at offending anyone, here are my two cents worth.
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It seems that the hunters were at least content with days 1-2, as they only asked for a refund for day 3. Plus, Tom offered them another hunt (I am presuming that he was offering this 'gratis'). The fact that they didnt take it is NOT Toms fault.
That fact that the hunters were planning a public land hunt around the same time slot should not factor into this.
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Yes, PG may have known in advance that he was losing the lease, according to Spectr17, he knew as early as July (7/25 was the date attached to the review).
If I was in the position that I was guiding/outfitting and I knew that the lease was soon to be up, I would most probably try and set up as many hunts before the termination date of the lease. Its a persons livelihood (or part of it) that is at risk. The person who is losing the lease is also looking at losing income that would be generated through that lease.
Would PG have needed to publish that he had lost his lease? I dont think so, I dont even think that he needed to tell anyone unless he had overbooked past the end of lease date. If we book through an 'online' outfitter, we really have no idea how much of their lease is left, or even if they currently have access to land. We have to either take references, or trust the outfitters word. If an outfitter renegades on his word, it soon becomes apparent on forums like this.
As to the 'great deals'.... Yes, there were great deals offered, specifically the $1000 deer hunts and the $250 pig hunts. Does this have any bearing on the 'about to lose a lease'? Maybe. It could also be that the outfitters were just trying to get more bookings, also note that these offers were not available on the outfitters direct web page, they were offered to US.
I have been to a few places where they offered a chance at a pig for $300+ and that didnt include guide fee, or any other extras. Whether its a low price hunt, or a 'discount' stereo, its still up to the purchaser to decide if the merchandise is worth the price.
The way that I look at it (and again, this is MY viewpoint, and I am NOT suggesting that it is anyone elses), is that NO free roaming/fair play hunt can be guaranteed. I have walked away empty handed after a few hunts. Its not the animal that you are paying for, its the hunt itself!
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There may be times when there are some bad comments made about other people, but, does that mean that you should shoot the chicken because of a rotten egg?
There are people who have booked hunts with you primarily because you were offering such great deals. There are people like me who took advantage of the 'Pig Weekend Special' because its the only thing we could afford and we needed a hunt. Again it was our decision.
I can understand that there are people who tote a rifle into the field and are 100% expecting to be dragging out game at the end of the day. There are also people who come out of Big5 with a boresighted rifle and expect that it will be capable of hitting game at 200 yards without any more work on it.
If you are staying in the outfitter game, which I have no doubt about, please reconsider the gun ban and please reconsider offering us the special deals.
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To finish with, let me again say that these are my thoughts and my words. I am not out to offend anyone, not am I looking at taking sides.
I will STILL be participating in one of Toms hunts next month, and I will be making my own decisions about it.
With the premise that I am NOT taking sides with any party, nor am i looking at offending anyone, here are my two cents worth.
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It seems that the hunters were at least content with days 1-2, as they only asked for a refund for day 3. Plus, Tom offered them another hunt (I am presuming that he was offering this 'gratis'). The fact that they didnt take it is NOT Toms fault.
That fact that the hunters were planning a public land hunt around the same time slot should not factor into this.
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Lurediver - <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Yes, PG may have known in advance that he was losing the lease, according to Spectr17, he knew as early as July (7/25 was the date attached to the review).
If I was in the position that I was guiding/outfitting and I knew that the lease was soon to be up, I would most probably try and set up as many hunts before the termination date of the lease. Its a persons livelihood (or part of it) that is at risk. The person who is losing the lease is also looking at losing income that would be generated through that lease.
Would PG have needed to publish that he had lost his lease? I dont think so, I dont even think that he needed to tell anyone unless he had overbooked past the end of lease date. If we book through an 'online' outfitter, we really have no idea how much of their lease is left, or even if they currently have access to land. We have to either take references, or trust the outfitters word. If an outfitter renegades on his word, it soon becomes apparent on forums like this.
As to the 'great deals'.... Yes, there were great deals offered, specifically the $1000 deer hunts and the $250 pig hunts. Does this have any bearing on the 'about to lose a lease'? Maybe. It could also be that the outfitters were just trying to get more bookings, also note that these offers were not available on the outfitters direct web page, they were offered to US.
I have been to a few places where they offered a chance at a pig for $300+ and that didnt include guide fee, or any other extras. Whether its a low price hunt, or a 'discount' stereo, its still up to the purchaser to decide if the merchandise is worth the price.
The way that I look at it (and again, this is MY viewpoint, and I am NOT suggesting that it is anyone elses), is that NO free roaming/fair play hunt can be guaranteed. I have walked away empty handed after a few hunts. Its not the animal that you are paying for, its the hunt itself!
PigGuide - <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
There may be times when there are some bad comments made about other people, but, does that mean that you should shoot the chicken because of a rotten egg?
There are people who have booked hunts with you primarily because you were offering such great deals. There are people like me who took advantage of the 'Pig Weekend Special' because its the only thing we could afford and we needed a hunt. Again it was our decision.
I can understand that there are people who tote a rifle into the field and are 100% expecting to be dragging out game at the end of the day. There are also people who come out of Big5 with a boresighted rifle and expect that it will be capable of hitting game at 200 yards without any more work on it.
If you are staying in the outfitter game, which I have no doubt about, please reconsider the gun ban and please reconsider offering us the special deals.
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I do believe that you should still refund the money that they asked for, I believe that at the beginning of this thread they asked for a refund for day 3 only. This is probably the 'best thing to do in a situation like this'.
To finish with, let me again say that these are my thoughts and my words. I am not out to offend anyone, not am I looking at taking sides.
I will STILL be participating in one of Toms hunts next month, and I will be making my own decisions about it.
Okay lets clarify a few things right now. Fog was bad. couldn't even see 50 yds. and it was dark. Tom put us in the field at each place we went. Except for the first morning when we ran across the other hunters and he led us back out. He wanted to do this . He had to do this because of the fog we couldn't see where to go. There was never a discussion about whether he is doing us a free service or not. He said I will take you in and set you up in a spot and you are on your own. We said OK. He said if you get a Buck or Pig down call me and I will rush over with my game cart and we will take it out. We said OK. The day before the hunt when we checked out the property I asked about how we get the game out. By truck, by quad, drag it. He said I have a game cart and I'll bring it to you. I asked about where to bring the game locally for prosessing. He called around but places were closed on sunday. When I killed the pig we brought it down and he said he would take it back to his house and cool it down so I could get back in the field. As far as wining about the fog and cold. You would have to know me to know that I don't whine over anything and was praising the cold. I'm a carpenter and work outside and after this last heat spell I couldn't get enough of the coastal weather. Now there hasn't been one slanderess word from me. Read my post. Inever called Tom a liar. I wrote that the landowner called Tom a liar. The part that Tom lied about is refunding 1 day of a 3 day hunt. Garred and I talked about going to C.R. sometime int the future. Maybe in November or December. Tom wanted us back in September. His lease was over. Right. We couldn't make it in September. As far as my being unhappy from the minute we got there. No. Iwas unhappy after the 1st half of the first day. On the 2nd morning when I shot the pig Tom said he could see the look of aprehension on my face as we walked into the field. He was right. He said it himself, the 1st day was a fiasco. As far not staying in the right place to get a buck. the spot I was in had 10 mph wind at my back blowing down the canyon. I had to move. Read my post. Inever complained about the hunt itself. If I don't get a Buck or Deer, thats hunting. All Tom had to do was be a man of his word and refund the 3rd day and this soap opera of a post wouldn't even be here.Oh yeah. I did complain about the moisture on my gun. I forgot to replace my scope cover and Tom was kind enough to take me to Wal-mart to get one the day before the hunt and then I proceeded to lose it in the field.
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Every story has two sides.....odd situations happen, sometimes no one is to blame....who knows, either way, $250 is damn cheap for a pig hunt. I hope Orso & Bighorn score, look forward to their insight on PigGuides operation and hopefully can put to rest some possible "misconceptions".
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As someone with guiding experience, here's my
If you're complaining after the 1st half of the 1st day, you're out of bounds. He took you to Wal-mart because YOU forgot your covers? Damned nice of him if you ask me. Moved from the stand after he told you to stay put? And you killed a hog and are still complaining? Sorry, you're the client from hell. I wouldn't be in a rush to send your refund either.
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Well here goes my thoughts and I hope I dont piss anyone of but what the heck.
First off the hunt was a success and Batch does not appear to be complaining about anything that PigGuide did to him personnaly but rather has voiced his dissatisfaction with being refunded his 3rd day. Now in saying that there was 5 days between the time Batch left and he made his 1st post. I do not see why it is such an issue regarding the check for the 3rd day when it is only 5 days out.
As far as PigGuide getting as many clients as he can before the Lease runs out I can understand that as Guiding is how he makes his living. The cheaper fees are in my opinion a way for him to book more people before the lease runs out and again is understandable.
Is/was this a Guided hunt or was Batch paying for PigGuide to allow him to hunt on the Lease properties? I don't see how setting someone on a hill and leaving is doing much guiding and I would have more than likely done the same as Batch. This is where I am probably not understanding what was said and again am not trying to piss anyone off. It seems a little cloudy as what was expected from the guide and what the guide expected of the client.
Finally in reading Batch initial post I do not see where he was bashing Pigguide but rather speaking of how he is percieved by the land owners around his lease property. Again his frustration appers to be that PigGuide said the check was in the mail when it was not. As far as a client from hell that seems a little harsh but I was not there to see how things went down so who knows. I do now that PigGuide tried to make the first day right by offering an extra weekend and finally a refund for 1 day, something he did not have to do. I think the money will come but unfortunatly there is probably more to this than getting the refund back in a acceptable time frame. I hope it gets worked out.
First off the hunt was a success and Batch does not appear to be complaining about anything that PigGuide did to him personnaly but rather has voiced his dissatisfaction with being refunded his 3rd day. Now in saying that there was 5 days between the time Batch left and he made his 1st post. I do not see why it is such an issue regarding the check for the 3rd day when it is only 5 days out.
As far as PigGuide getting as many clients as he can before the Lease runs out I can understand that as Guiding is how he makes his living. The cheaper fees are in my opinion a way for him to book more people before the lease runs out and again is understandable.
Is/was this a Guided hunt or was Batch paying for PigGuide to allow him to hunt on the Lease properties? I don't see how setting someone on a hill and leaving is doing much guiding and I would have more than likely done the same as Batch. This is where I am probably not understanding what was said and again am not trying to piss anyone off. It seems a little cloudy as what was expected from the guide and what the guide expected of the client.
Finally in reading Batch initial post I do not see where he was bashing Pigguide but rather speaking of how he is percieved by the land owners around his lease property. Again his frustration appers to be that PigGuide said the check was in the mail when it was not. As far as a client from hell that seems a little harsh but I was not there to see how things went down so who knows. I do now that PigGuide tried to make the first day right by offering an extra weekend and finally a refund for 1 day, something he did not have to do. I think the money will come but unfortunatly there is probably more to this than getting the refund back in a acceptable time frame. I hope it gets worked out.
I think some of you are missing the point here. Me and the other hunter both asked for a refund for the 3rd day which was cancelled. Tom offered another 2-day hunt to make up for the problems we encountered. We both can't do it. Or we don't want to do it. Tom says ok I will put the check in the mail today. He never put the check in the mail. The money won't make or brake me. It's not about the money. And if he didn't like me I would think that the 1 day refund would be better for him than putting himself out for another 2 days. As far as client from hell goes you weren't there so..... Right now you've heard 2 sides of what happened or didn't happen. Maybe the 3rd party, Garred would have something to say. He's in Hawaii I think but when he gets back I hope he'll post up. Where's Judge Judy when you need her.
If the point is about the principal of the refund, then keep it at that! Don't drag all sorts of other crap into it. Yeah it was a cluster, that will happen. It's unfortunate. Go buy your own land. It sounds, as by your own admission, that he tried to make it right. Why such the red a$$?
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