Speckmisser

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
12,900
Reaction score
27
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Don't waste your breath or your time worrying what they think of you.[/b]
Franklin, I'm gonna respectfully disagree with you there.
<

I wouldn't spend every waking moment worrying about the antis, but anyone who thinks we can just ignore them...or more importantly, anyone who thinks we can just ignore their ability to twist our activities against us... well those folks need a hard, cold dose of reality.

Sure, I'd like to ignore the antis. I think it would be awesome if it really didn't matter what they thought. And you're right, Franklin, on one key point... we're not going to change THEIR minds. But THEY have an uncanny ability to change the minds of the non-hunting public. THEY have proven their skill at taking something hunters would never think twice about, and using it to turn the non-hunters against us.

With a few videos and photographs taken out of context... a sound byte here and there without the whole picture... they were able to put a stop to mountain lion hunting in CA. They've been able to put a stop to running hounds in some states, and to halt other lawful, ethical practices in other states. The reason they've been able to do that is because too many hunters believe in that very mantra... "It doesn't matter what they think."

Non-hunters really have no dog in this fight. They don't care one way or the other. For the most part, that's always worked well for hunters. But it's also done us a disservice, because it made us complacent. We never had to worry about the non-hunters, and the antis have always been a small minority of the general public.

But while hunters kicked back and enjoyed our solitary pursuits, the antis built huge, PR organizations. They studied advertising, marketing, and began to mount campaigns of misinformation. And the best for them was the fact that of all the hunters, there are always a handful who do some stupid, unethical, and illegal things... poster children for the anti-hunting movement.

For the longest time, we (hunters) thought it was enough just to sit back and shout, "but those people aren't 'hunters'! That's not what we're about!"

And Joe Nonhunter, who really didn't care anyway, shrugged his shoulders and turned back to his sitcoms. But in his mind, the image created by those anti-hunters lived on. The words of the hunters didn't linger long, because they were just words. The antis, by god, had pictures and even video. They had the Power of Advertising.

Over a period of time, Joe Nonhunter is inundated with messages from the antis that begin to shape his impression of hunters and hunting. Some are obvious, like the PETA campaigns. Others are more subtle... even to the goofy exploits of Elmer Fudd. But those that influence him the most are the egregious cases. Seven hunters surround a valley filled with elk, and in a fusillade lasting 20 minutes, kill or maim 30 animals. A front page photo shows a 'possum with a crossbow bolt through its head (probably not even done by a hunter, but it doesn't matter to Joe). A deer hunter fires at a white flash, and kills a young mother in her own backyard. Even the simple, bullet-spattered road signs reinforce a stereotype.

And what messages does Joe get from the hunting side of the board? We scream about how those "examples" are really non-examples. This isn't really what it's like. But what do we show him? Hunters for the Hungry? No, we show him television programming of young men slaughtering animals over feeders and behind fences, then dancing around like blood-drunk knaves. Maybe there's an occasional "thank you, Lord", but that's usually followed by more dancing. It's not a very flattering image.

And here's the thing. Joe Nonhunter doesn't watch many of these programs. He doesn't need to. So he doesn't stay long enough to absorb the bigger picture... or to understand the motivation and dedication that made most of these television hunters put other careers on the line to bring the sport they love into the homes of other hunters. He doesn't know how much emotion is behind the dancing and the high fives. It doesn't occur to him, because it's never occurred to him to actually hunt and kill an animal.

The debate of anti vs hunter has always been a debate of emotion vs. logic. And we hunters, because we have always felt so well armed with our logical arguments have generally failed to "stoop" to the level of the antis, playing on the heartstrings of Joe Nonhunter rather than appealing to his intellect. Major newsbreak... the average Joe doesn't want his intellect appealed to. He can ignore logical arguments, because they would make him stop to think... and he has no interest in stopping to think about hunting. Why should he? He doesn't want to hunt. And to him, it makes no difference if hunting were abolished tomorrow!

On the other hand, the emotionally charged propaganda of the anti-hunting contingent requires no conscious thought. The antis save Joe the effort by thinking for him. "Oh my gosh, they kill those beautiful, noble animals! Hunters are barbaric! Hunting is bad!"

"Well," he says, without concentrating too hard. "Animals are pretty. Killing them is kinda brutal."

And then they have him. When election time comes around, Joe Nonhunter remembers the pretty animals. He remembers the poor little lion in the fork of the oak tree, and the orphaned bear cub by the side of the road. And he votes his emotions. Next thing you know, mountain lion hunting is banned. Spring bear hunts are cancelled. Running game with hounds is outlawed.

Now, at this point it may seem I've digressed. But here's where I'm going.

Any hunter who cares about the future of this sport had better be damned attentive to every action that is visible to the public... and to the potential negative impact of that action.

The hunting programs don't edit out the bloody kills and death throes to salve the sensibilities of the hunters. They know we've seen it, and we accept it as part of the kill. They sanitize the images to dull the emotional impact on non-hunters. They know that such scenes can deepen the disgust people feel toward the blood sports. This disgust, in turn, makes Joe Nonhunter much more susceptible to the propaganda of the antis.

The video that started all this isn't, in itself, all that bad. It's pretty graphic, but from a realistic point of view, it's pretty well done. I'm not, personally, all that opposed to its being shown here on JHO... even though I know it's probably all over the web already, and it is just one more of those things the antis will point at as an example of the bloodthirstiness and "depravity" of hunters. I know it's not nearly as hardcore as some of the stuff you see on the varmint hunter sites. It is enough, though, to raise the question again about where DO we draw the line?

And maybe more importantly, it is enough to rekindle this conversation... and to remind hunters that, if you honestly care about the future of our sport, then it behooves you to come out of your complacent confidence. If you don't pay close attention to the public image that we give, then you can bet that someone else will, and the spin they'll give it certainly isn't going to do hunters any favors.
 

larrysogla

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 27, 2003
Messages
3,068
Reaction score
24
Mr. SpeckM,
Again you took the words right out of my mouth. Absolutely right on the money, on target. Wish the Pro-hunting TV programs and the other Pro-hunting organizations can afford to hire your gift of language and communication skills. It will serve very well the hunting community. JHO is very blessed to have your clear and easy to understand words here explaining in smooth, simple language the rational of Public Relations. Thanks for your thoughts, they are straight, right down the line and hitting all the punches, left and right. 'Nuff said.
<
 

Franklin3

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 26, 2005
Messages
1,064
Reaction score
0
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Major newsbreak... the average Joe doesn't want his intellect appealed to. He can ignore logical arguments, because they would make him stop to think... and he has no interest in stopping to think about hunting. Why should he? He doesn't want to hunt. And to him, it makes no difference if hunting were abolished tomorrow![/b]
Thanks Speck your input always makeds for lively discussion and I think it's productive that you disagree with me.
Your points are well made and were I a political activist I could embrace your well meaning perspective. However I a never will be an activist again. Because as you so eloquently noted and I have meticulously quoted. NOBODY CARES.
So where is the arena that allows us this debate with an honorable foe. I say it starts with each and every outdoorsman, within our families and freinds, THEY ARE TRULY THE ONLY ONES WE CAN INFLUENCE. My grandfather taught my father to hunt. He in turn taught his four sons to hunt and one of his daughters. We inturn are passing this great heritage on to our sons and daughters. I hunted just last uyear with my son, Son in-law and grandson. What a great day that was. My oldest grandaughter will be going turkey hunting with us this season. So I have personally brought five people into our sport who otherwise would not be involved in the shooting sports or the hunting and fishing lifestyle. I did not have to deal with any irrationalality or misguided personification of animals. There is no twisted image of the hunter to be broken and replaced with the correct thinking.
How many of the anti hunters have you converted?
Better yet do you know of a single case study of even one converted anti hunter? I'm gonna go way out on skinny limb and say that your answer is none and zero.
So my position hinges on this thin thread, That being summed up as this. We actually have a chance to spread the word so to speak within our private realms of family and freinds. Outside this limited sphere we have little or no influence whatsoever.
Those who choose to take the anti hunters on their terms instead of our terms may be showing them more favor than us.
I fight the battle on the grounds where I can actually win.
Thanks for the soapbox.

"Humility is the most brazen form of arrogance."
 

larrysogla

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 27, 2003
Messages
3,068
Reaction score
24
Franklin3,
Congratulations on bringing your clan to the great sport of hunting. We need all the help we can get in this never ending struggle to maintain our hunting sport. 'Nuff said.
<
 

Speckmisser

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
12,900
Reaction score
27
Franklin, you've missed my point.

I have no interest or hope of converting any anti-hunters. Actually, I don't really hope to convert anyone, one way or the other.

But that's the crux of my (rather windy) post. It's not the antis we need to be thinking about, it's the average, non-hunting Joe. He's not an anti and never will be. But unless we are much more careful about the image we portray as hunters, we'll continue to lose this fight in the field of public opinion, because the antis are kicking our butts there.

Where you're missing the boat is in your assumption that <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Outside this limited sphere we have little or no influence whatsoever.[/b]
"Influence" isn't simply converting or recruiting hunters. We have a lot of influence outside our own little "family". Unfortunately, a big part of that influence has been negative, and this is what the antis capitalize on to turn the nonhunters against us at election time.

We have an influence when some of our "sphere" decide to break the law. We have an influence when they do stupid or unethical things. All of that influences the future of hunting, and not in a good way.

I've been saying this for years, and I'll keep on until I die... or until it happens. The future of hunting in America is going to come down to a battle of Public Opinion. As this country continues to urbanize, and the number of hunters continues to dwindle, support for our way of life is going to fall away. It's going to get easier and easier for the antis to use our own activities to turn that public opinion against us.

I spent a lot of time debating the antis in various forums, and still occasionally throw myself into the ring. It's mostly a lost cause, because they are entirely wrapped up in an emotional argument. I concede that, even as I challenge their misinformation.

However, I've also spent a lot of time talking to non-hunters (especially since moving to the Bay Area). I've been able to help them understand that hunting is a lot more than the caricatures they see in the mainstream media, and that those of us who pursue this sport can be "good people" just like them. I've shown them how hunting is about so much more than blood and killing.

At the same time, they have helped me to understand their negative reactions to things like the video shown in this thread, to hunting programs, to "in your face" activists like Ted Nugent ... and moreso, their reactions to the misinformation promoted by the anti-hunting organizations. And they see this stuff. It gets out there, and it makes an impact.

Have I converted any of these people? I don't know that any of them will take up hunting in the near future. But have I influenced them? Yes, I have indeed. I have given them a better look at hunters and hunting, and with it, provided them the ammunition to counter the stereotypes and lies with which the anti-hunting movement would like to pigeonhole us.

Unfortunately, for every one of these non-hunters I've spoken with, there are probably a million more out there who still form their opinions about hunting based on a negative image. And the only time they act on those opinions is when the topic is on the election ballot. That's a dangerous balance, and once we've only barely been able to swing so far. But if we don't start paying better attention to the way they see us, the scale will tip irrevocably.

I'm not calling on every hunter to go out and evangelicize about hunting (although I'd love to see it). I only believe that we all need to make a conscious effort to manage our image, even when that management chafes at our sense of "freedom".

Because you're very wrong about one thing. You (not I) said, <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
NOBODY CARES![/b]
The antis care. They care very strongly, and if you don't watch it, your grandson's children may very well see the end of their hunting traditions, because the antis care so much that they'd like to make sure nobody ever hunts again. They'll use every negative image, bad news story, and blood-soaked video clip they can find to affect Joe Nonhunter's opinion, then they'll take that momentum right into the polls.
 

CaliDuckPro

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 26, 2003
Messages
1,268
Reaction score
1
I think what could help to portray the hunters' view, is a show on national television. I'm not talking about cable, or satellite channels, such as OLN. I think FOX would be the only ones daring, or should I say "conservative" enough to air something like that. Even if it's just a one day a week show, on a Saturday or Sunday. But something for the general public view.
 

larrysogla

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 27, 2003
Messages
3,068
Reaction score
24
Caliduckpro,
That kind of show will be a magnet for protests, demonstrations, rallies and letter and e-mail campaigns by the Anti's. They are motivated, energetic, aggressive and very dedicated to the elimination of hunting. The TV studios will not last long under the pressure. As you can see, the L.A. Times writer that wrote that fine article regarding deer hunting in the Wrightwood area lost her newspaper hunting interest section. The L.A. Times very quickly shut down the entire section. If it were popular and brings in a lot of advertising instead of demonstrating and protesting, the media will embrace it. Shows that attract protests will scare away the media. 'Nuff said.
<
 

larrysogla

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 27, 2003
Messages
3,068
Reaction score
24
The only way I can see where the studios can sneak the hunting culture is on a Daniel Boone like era with hunting as a survival tool and with the animal killing heavily sanitized and sterilized for the viewers. It is a steep, uphill battle. The only thing that we are so fortunate to have is the 2nd Amendment. 'Nuff said.
<
 

Uncle Ji

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 7, 2004
Messages
249
Reaction score
2
WOW great feedback. With 30+ years of pig hunting behind me what I saw in this video was 2 excellent one shot kills. Ever track a wound boar in thick brush? NO fun at all. What an anti would like to see in this scenerio is a shot made and game running off screen thinking that animal got away when in reality it wasn't an ideal shot possibly resulting in a wounded pig dying slowly in the bush while it waits to gore the next person it sees. Antis can find anything they want on the internet with ever little effort and twist things around to their narrow point of view. Should we be concerned? Yes. Should we be paranoid to the point of becoming a secret society of hunters? Hell no! Animal or vegetable something has to die to be eaten. No matter what the antis may think this video showed realistically the very quick kill of 2 noble beasts. The first pig was head shot and died instantly regardless of what some may interpret the body movements to be, NO PAIN. Second pig hit in heart/lung area and lived only a matter of seconds after impact. Maybe a little less graphic blood would please some but bottom line is Great shooting I say! :cool:
 

Franklin3

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 26, 2005
Messages
1,064
Reaction score
0
Speckmisser;

I don't beleive i missed your point I believe you overestimate the influence of the antis and underestimate the influence we have. You admit you know of no anti huntter converted yet you maintain that a softer kinder hunter is what is needed. Well I don't think the numbers of hunters are dwindleing quit like you think. Just look at the new hunting members here on JHO!
As far as having any semblance of a reasonable debate with antihunters well I think you know how productive that is. As far as Joe goes well jpe the fence sitter always will ewventually fall to one side or the other if he's in my family he's more apt to fall to our side. As far as the anti's laying their idiocy on them I say we need more people like Ted Nugent who are not afraid to get in their liberal veggie luvin anti hunting faces and call it like it is.
Where we have our difference of opinion is in that I see the ranks of the hunting and outdoors family growing from the inside and the anti's dwindleing. where you see the opposite occuring.
You beleive we should present a sugar coated face to the non commited person "Joe". I say 'Joe" this is America around here we exercise free will if you really think giving up meat and eating nothing but rabbit food the rest of your life is the way for you then have a wonderful life. You think it was some big rank and file of hunter haters that banned the hunting of Mt. lions I think It was the liberal politicians that we gave our government over to back in the 60's. Do they have political influence of course they do. How did they get that much political influence is a good question. The answer might be found from history,, 1/3 of the people make things happen we call them the vocal minority, 1/3 of the people watched it happen, we callll them the silent minority, 1/3 of the people wonder what happened, we call them when we want to be known as the vocal majority. I never said we should ignore them I said I don't care what they think. I said our efforts might be better spent supporting our lifestyles by simply living them.
Now I'd lovew to continue this in person some time, but salmon season starts this weekend and I've only sent out ten letters and emails and as you may know our misinformed government is on the verge of cancelling the 2006 sport season. Just like they already cancelled the 2006 commercial season.

great posts thanks for posting
 

BigDog

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 7, 2001
Messages
2,434
Reaction score
16
Man, did I start some Sh!- or what. That is what I get for making a post with a foggy brain. Make a statement and then not follow up.
First, I misunderstood the clip. I thought it was one of the automated shooting-via-camera deals. And that is what I think needs to be stopped. But, I still think that we are opening ourselves up to damage by the other side by posting an animal being shot and then not being put out of its misery quickly. I would personally would never let an animal go through that if I were close enough to add a killing shot. I am in no ways an animal rights person but I absolutely believe that it is a hunters responsibility to try to make a killing shot. And if it doesn't happen, then get in there and finish it off as fast as possible.
 

Speckmisser

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
12,900
Reaction score
27
Interesting discussion, Franklin, and thanks.

A couple of points to clarify (I can never just let go)... if you don't get to it now, no worries... this thread will still be here after the salmon season.

First, the number of hunters is dwindling. That's not my perception or belief, it's a documented fact. Nationwide, the number of hunting license sales is falling at a steady rate. There are a lot of reasons for this decline, and I don't believe the antis are really one of them, so don't mistake my point there. But I didn't just throw that out there.

It's simply a direct ratio then, that if the number of hunters drops but the number of inhabitants increases, then the number of non-hunters must increase as well. Anti-hunters? Doesn't really matter in this equation... as I said before, they've always been a minority and probably always will. But they're influential, and to underestimate their strength will cost us dearly.

I don't believe in presenting a "sugar-coated face" to anyone. Hunting is an experience in the harshest reality. That's why it's so hard to spin in a positive light when we're called to defend what we do. I believe in being honest, and certainly don't want to become some "hidden society". But we have to have some level of sensitivity to the rest of the population because there are more of them than there are of us...and they (majority) make the rules.

It wasn't liberal politicians who voted away the lion season in CA. It wasn't a "huge rank and file of hunter haters" either. It was "the people"... the Joe Nonhunters out there who really had no stake in the game and would have been just as happy with a lion season as without it. The "people" were swayed by a very well orchestrated PR campaign from the anti-hunters.

The time came to vote and they saw the anti argument, clear and concise and organized... and they saw the hunters, disorganized and not even all on the same page about whether or not the lions should be hunted. It was an easy choice for Joe Nonhunter, who would have been just as happy to vote the other way if anybody had given him a decent argument and an image that was as powerful as that damned little lion being shot out of the tree.

And the thing is, the vote carried, in part, because hunters couldn't come together in time to face the threat. They didn't come together, because none of them believed the threat from the antis was credible... In short, because they believed as you apparently do now. In the realm of forming public opinion, being "right" is not always good enough.

No, this mountain lion thing is a big reason I have the level of apprehension that I do about the anti-hunters... or more importantly, the level of apprehension I do about the actions of hunters. When mountain lion hunting first became an issue, I had no fear that the hunting community could stop the movment in its tracks. When the dust cleared, I couldn't believe what I saw instead.

In 1956, CA had its last big doe hunt. If you go by what the papers said, it was an absolute slaughter. There were deer hanging on poles in front of businesses and homes. Deer in the backs of trucks and tied to the hoods of cars. There was little concern for the feelings of those who didn't hunt, and who were appalled by the carnage. After all, the doe harvest was a good management technique, and it gave a lot of people the opportunity to hunt and actually take an animal. It was good for the resource and for the hunting community.

But those non-hunters were disgusted by what they saw in the papers, and didn't understand the big picture. All they understood was that the "bloodthirsty killers" had just turned the countryside into an abbatoir. They quickly rallied under the flag of a very small group of anti-hunters who fed the media fire and raised such a ruckus that the DFG was forced to do away with the science of "doe days" altogether, and hand over final say to the individual counties.

It's the same picture, just a different time. Joe Nonhunter strikes again.

Joe is not our enemy. He's generally a non-combatant. As I said, he doesn't generally care if hunting comes or goes, because it means nothing to him. But he does care about voting, so he shows up at the polls. This is where he becomes dangerous. He has to choose a yes or no, and if he's not informed about the topic (and when it comes to hunting, he's not), he votes based on emotion and that emotion is based on his last impression of the issue.

All I'm saying is, as hunters, we can have a lot of influence over what that last impression was by managing our image a little more carefully.

I'm not calling for abolition of hunting video, or even of footage like Uncle Ji shared here. In fact, this whole diatribe had very little to do with the footage that spawned this thread (and for that, I apologize for my part in the partial hijack), and had everything to do with the attitude that, "I don't care what we look like to the antis..." It's a pet topic that, obviously, gets me going.

Anyway, I'm done going now. I've repeated myself to no end, and if my point is still not getting through what the hell. I've got a Robert Ruark novel and a glass of tequila waiting upstairs.
<
 

Franklin3

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 26, 2005
Messages
1,064
Reaction score
0
I don't believe in presenting a "sugar-coated face" to anyone. Hunting is an experience in the harshest reality. That's why it's so hard to spin in a positive light when we're called to defend what we do.

Respectfully submitted for your consideration.

putting a spin on it is the same as sugar coating it!

it seems to me that you might worry a bit too much what other people think.

you feel a need to "spin a positive light" on your actions as a hunter. I have never met you yet I believe you are an honoroble man. Isn't hunting a positive influence in your life? Alwasy spinning and defending must take a great deal of energy and time. Me I'm bored and it's raining and I can't go fishing cuz my lights still don't work. Guys are slow at posting all the stories from the hunt and JHO is the coolest place to hang out.
I know several vegans through my work I have no issue whatsoever sharing photos and stories of my enjoyable experiences in the field. If anything they have an issue coming to grasp with the facts that they know and respect and like me and now they find out I kill and eat other mammals and I take pictures and have there little hides tanned and stuffed and hang them on my walls my god what are they to do. I don't spin anything i tell it for what it is to me and they think twice before asking me what I did for the weekend.
Now they have taken to sending me save the wolves emails and other animal cutsie stuff. I may be becoming an insider.

From the DFG website. there were 136 more hunting licenses sold in 2005 than in 2004. Granted thats a small increase and way down from the 70's and 80's but it's an increase not a decrease!

I also remember 1972 I turned 18 and it was the first year I voted. Having spent a great deal of time in the field I never bought the endangered species tale for a minute. I do however remember being convinced at least in my own mind that one day the hunt would be reinstated. I am almost willing to admit I may be wrong on that one.

find the levity in life before you realize the brevity.
 

Speckmisser

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
12,900
Reaction score
27
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
find the levity in life before you realize the brevity.[/b]
I spent most of my life pursuing levity, brother, and still chase it more than I should. But life is short. There comes a time when you need to think about what you're leaving behind. That's a personal decision, and I don't pretend to tell anyone else what their legacy should be. But it may be obvious that I've already selected mine.

I've seen my vision of the future, and the long term doesn't look good for hunting unless this community is willing to step up and do what it takes. Part of that challenge is to do exactly what you're doing. Get your family involved. Continue to pass along the heritage.

But another of the challenges is addressing the image of hunting. The impact of this is huge, and it goes way beyond simply battling the antis. It is a negative image of hunters, for example, that causes non-hunting property owners to close their gates to us. It's the negative image of hunters that keeps some new people, particularly those who don't come from a hunting family, from joining our ranks.

Fortunately, I'm not the only one who sees things this way. The major conservation organizations spend millions to advertise the good that hunters do through our donations. We, as hunters, recognize that we have a role as stewards of the land... and that role needs to be publicized. And that's what DU, CWA, QU, etc. are doing.

The hunting and outdoor publications present the positive at every opportunity, and when they report on the negative, such as poaching and waste, they set it out as the aberration that it is.

Even the outdoor television and video industry is working on our image... promoting youth and women in the outdoors, trying to show that hunting is not the gritty, "old boys" club that it once was. Blood and gore is edited out. They're moving away from the high-fence, zero challenge hunts that they once embraced. Some networks are even requiring new programs to sign ethics agreements requiring fair chase only.

So it's not just me. And no one is asking you to join this fight if you don't want to. Rest easy, keep doing what you're doing, but don't imagine for a second that there's not a lot of very necessary work being done on the public opinion front.
 

Hogskin

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
2,619
Reaction score
1
Speckmisser, you sure are a smart guy, even (or should I say, "especially"?) for a democrat.
<
Really, I can always count on you for an unemotional, intelligent post. You're the man.
<
 

THE ROMAN ARCHER

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
8,535
Reaction score
1,102
i am not going to take sides on this subject, but i just want to share what i have come to understand and learn about myself and my image as a hunter to others in our society like the anti's and none hunters and even my fellow hunters. growing up in upstate n.y. when i was young we lived the hunting lifestyle everyday, it wasnt just seanonal, we lived it and breathed it everyday and we always wore our hunting apparel everyday even at school, taked about hunting all of the time. it never bothered anyone to hang a deer in the front yard or drive though town with a big buck tied to the hood because it involved bragging rights, everybody in my county were farmers and hunters, thier were no anti's then. you could talk about hunting all day, no problem.
now were i live on the west cost i have come to learn quickly that when i mentioned that i am a hunter i would get mostly neg. responses and would aways try to justify my reasons for hunting but it never worked and figured it just wasn't worth loseing any friends i have now or any of my potential future freinds in society over the politics of hunting. so now i keep it to my self unless someone ask, and i will be happy to represent us hunters in the best possible light for what we do and why we do it, i come to realize our immage is so critical these days when it comes to the voters, and i personally belive we have to do every thing possible not to destroy ourselfs an become extinct as hunters in the future.
their was a time when game animals almost became extinct in this country, but along came TEDDY R.

who is going to keep us hunters from going extinct? is it you , is it me or is it us!
i dont want it to become a secret hunting society either, but thats why i joined jho where i am free to talk again about hunting all day and everyday with people who share the same intrest me and hopefully not offend anyone! and i am now very happy in life and wish for everyone else to be too, thanks for listening.........tra/bowhunter4life
<
 

Speckmisser

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
12,900
Reaction score
27
Frogskin,

Not that it has anything to do with anything, but for the record, I'm DEFINITELY NOT a Democrat. Not a Republican either. Just wanted to head that off before we send someone down another wormhole.

Other than that... thanks (I think).
 

Hogskin

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2001
Messages
2,619
Reaction score
1
Yeah, I know, I was just funnin' you about the democrat thing. I meant the rest though. Cheers...
 

Franklin3

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 26, 2005
Messages
1,064
Reaction score
0
I dont run around with blood on myself and we really are part of the same team here and thanks to JHO we have a forum to express ourselves. Thanks to all for the lively discussion and interesting topic.

Anyone know how we get a ballot measure to bring back the lion hunt?
 
Top Bottom