Arizona Elk Lottery Tags

[Jimmy Jones]

I was curious. It seems that I'll never get drawn for one of the very few Arizone Elk tags. I wonder how long it would take if a guy just started to apply for the tags/points this year that it would take him to get drawn?

I'm wondering if they should start a program that if I die with 30 years of points with out a hunt, I should be able to pass down those points to my children (that I don't have yet)

So, seriously...... How long do you think it would take?

Who has the most points out there? I know it's not me!!!!

 

[DEERSLAM]

I've got 9 points and I'll tell you what. At $150 for the hunting license just so I can apply this crap is getting to expensive for my blood. I'm think about cashing in my points on an easier to draw elk hunt so I can be done with AZ.

 

[SDHNTR]

Figure 10-12 years on average. Possible a bit less for archery, but not much.

Deerslam, AZ offers some great hunting where you can put that license to use. The best dove hunting in the nation. Great quail hunting. Easy to draw javelina tags and OTC archery deer tags. Ifyour paying for it anyway, might as well put that license to work.

 

[jlostrander]

16 was the max points in year 2005. I bought a book from them with statistics in it on all the big game in AZ.

Just looking at it, there are about 1400 people with 10 points or more.

So, I think you should call the AZ. game an fish and ask them if there is any posibility of you drawing the tag you are trying for.

The 20% and 10% caps might be making it impossible for you anyway.

I like most all the things AZ. does with it's big game. It is a limited resource and must be protected. But, they have not really explained that some folks with low points cannot draw the most sought after tags.

This is only my understanding of the situation. Please, correct me, if I am wrong.

Logan

Odds will be better as some people give up.

 

[Coues]

You don't need a unit 1, 9 or 10 tag to have an awesome hunt. Units 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 will all produce big bulls. Even some of the limited opportunity hunts have the potential to give up a 320"-340" bull.

 

[Glass eye]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jlostrander @ Jan 9 2007, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

. But, they have not really explained that some folks with low points cannot draw the most sought after tags.

This is only my understanding of the situation. Please, correct me, if I am wrong.[/b]

I will correct you, you are wrong. I know several people , non-residents even, who have drawn with no bonus points. One guy drew 3 times in 4 years. Another guy drew an early rifle bull tag and then the next year drew an archery tag, and then a couple years later drew a sheep tag. Bonus points don't work like Preference points, each bonus point is like having your name thrown into the hat one more time. I have 10 bonus points for deer but I still can't draw a tag for the strip, and yet I saw an article of a non-resident who drew his first time he applied. It's all about luck!

 

[Coues]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Glass eye @ Jan 9 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jlostrander @ Jan 9 2007, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

. But, they have not really explained that some folks with low points cannot draw the most sought after tags.

This is only my understanding of the situation. Please, correct me, if I am wrong.[/b]

I will correct you, you are wrong. I know several people , non-residents even, who have drawn with no bonus points. One guy drew 3 times in 4 years. Another guy drew an early rifle bull tag and then the next year drew an archery tag, and then a couple years later drew a sheep tag. Bonus points don't work like Preference points, each bonus point is like having your name thrown into the hat one more time. I have 10 bonus points for deer but I still can't draw a tag for the strip, and yet I saw an article of a non-resident who drew his first time he applied. It's all about luck!
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Last year was the first year that AZ used the new formula to distribute tags though. It got alot harder for a NR without a boat load of points to get a tag.

 

[Glass eye]

Last year was the first year that AZ used the new formula to distribute tags though. It got alot harder for a NR without a boat load of points to get a tag.
[/quote]What is the new formula? Please explain.

 

[Coues]

20% of tags for each hunt number go to the bonus point holders with the most points. Yet, NR's are limited to only 10% of the total number of tags. For the most popular hunts, early elk, it is almost a lock that the 10% cap will be met during this phase of the drawing, meaning that zero NR tags will be available during the general drawing.

Before only 10% of the tags were reserved for the highest BP holders.

Example: If a unit has 100 tags, 20 of those tags are reserved for the highest bonus point holders that apply for that hunt. If 10 NR's with enough bonus points apply, the NR cap is met before the rest of the NR even have a chance. This has nothing to do with "max possible points", but most of the max bonus point holders, and those close to max, are NR.

 

[hoytrdye]

DEERSLAM if you get drawn

i'm there ,with the camera rolling for ya

 

[Glass eye]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coues @ Jan 9 2007, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

20% of tags for each hunt number go to the bonus point holders with the most points.

Before only 10% of the tags were reserved for the highest BP holders.

.[/b]

It's pretty much the same as before, there was the 10% cap before and it's still 10%. The Max bonus point holders get 20% instead of 10% Draw odds wise there's not much change except that I think the odds will actually be better now because now in order to get the BP's you MUST BUY the license, and with the big increase in fees many will drop out of the game.

 

[DEERSLAM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SDHNTR @ Jan 9 2007, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Figure 10-12 years on average. Possible a bit less for archery, but not much.

Deerslam, AZ offers some great hunting where you can put that license to use. The best dove hunting in the nation. Great quail hunting. Easy to draw javelina tags and OTC archery deer tags. Ifyour paying for it anyway, might as well put that license to work.[/b]

SDHNTR...easy for you to say living down south. I would love to take advantage of all of the licenses I buy every year, AZ, OR, NEV AND ID., but I don't have the money or time. I think I will try and take advantage of the OR AND NEV licenses for predators next fall and winter.

hoytrdye...I'll take you up on that Jim

 

[Glass eye]

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in order to get the BP's you MUST BUY the license,
[/quote]My bad, in order to APPLY you must buy the license.

 

[jlostrander]

Glass eye. Coues is not the only person who has explained this to me.

You should call them before trying to go for an early elk tag in AZ.

Example. Early rifle unit 9 has 25 tags. Only 2 or 3 can go to non-res. If three max point holders apply from out of state, how many other non res. tags will be issued out of the 25?

Please let us know how that is not correct.

Logan

 

[jlostrander]

Glass eye. Don't worry about calling them. I did.

The advantage is only to those who have max total points (for elk, that is not 18 points). Going into 2005 my book says there were 7 at max and and going into 2006 there were only 2 at max. then 17 points.

So, if the numbers stay low like that, it is still possible to draw without max points and being from out of state.

I was thinking that the max point advantage would go to the max point holders trying for that zone. Say a 10 point holder was the highest point total trying for a late bull tag in some other unti, that person does not get the 20% allocation. Only those few people who have 18 points.

You were correct. I could only be correct if both those guys with 17 points were out of state and both applied for the same 25 tag unit.

Other answer is with 25 tags, only 2 non-res. get to draw.

Coues, if this is not correct, please let me know.

Logan

PS> if in the future, a large number of people were at the max, say 30, then I could be correct for more than just that one zone in 2005.

Thanks to all.

 

[Coues]

From my understanding, it doesn't have anything to do with max point holders. It has to do with the highest point holders who apply for each hunt.

It's already been proven that no NR tags were available in the general drawing in several of the high profile elk and deer units this past year. It's public info, if you call and ask them for a release of public records, they will send you last years draw results with the break down of res vs nr and how many points each applicant had. It's basically been turned into a preference point system for NR's.

 

[Glass eye]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jlostrander @ Jan 10 2007, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

You should call them before trying to go for an early elk tag in AZ.

Example. Early rifle unit 9 has 25 tags. Only 2 or 3 can go to non-res.[/b]

I thought this thread was about drawing "AN" elk tag in AZ I was never talking about drawing the hardest tag of all, and I don't believe that the original question was either. There are other tags out there that a non-res can draw!

 

[Jimmy Jones]

So....................... Here's what I'm thinking. My dream hunt is a trophy archery elk hunt. I'm not the richest man, but I've been looking around at outfitters and most of them are in the $4000-$5500 range. The way I see it, as expensive as the Arizona tags/points are. If I get drawn in 10-14 years. Financially, I'm still better off money wise. My only concern is "How long is it going to take to get drawn for a trophy hunt?"

I've also been looking at other states public land lottery hunts. So I might apply for some of those and maybe I'll get to do a elk hunt in the 10-15 years I'm waiting to hunt AZ. I'm just a guy from Missouri and don't want to spend the big$$$ that these outfitters are charging.

So is this what many of you Non-Residents are thinking also?

 

[Coues]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

I thought this thread was about drawing "AN" elk tag in AZ I was never talking about drawing the hardest tag of all, and I don't believe that the original question was either. There are other tags out there that a non-res can draw![/b]

I know, see my reply #5

 

[Glass eye]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jimmy Jones @ Jan 10 2007, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

So....................... Here's what I'm thinking. My dream hunt is a trophy archery elk hunt. I'm not the richest man, but I've been looking around at outfitters and most of them are in the $4000-$5500 range. The way I see it, as expensive as the Arizona tags/points are. If I get drawn in 10-14 years. Financially, I'm still better off money wise. My only concern is "How long is it going to take to get drawn for a trophy hunt?"



So is this what many of you Non-Residents are thinking also?[/b]

DITTO that is my thinking about deer on the strip but I have high hopes in that I have max bonus points.