Arraignment for Guiding Without a Lic for CR aucti

[Native Instinct]

I am sorry to hear of your plight. You will prevail but keep a cool head as you go forward. There are a lot of members here that are capable of making a difference - everybody knows somebody and a few people know some big political hitters and media types. Let the DFG play their hand a bit. Then let's clobber them!

NI

 

[Native Instinct]

One last thing, (the legal folks here can correct me), but you should refrain from posting anymore on this subject as anything can be used as evidence and you wouldn't want your words to be twisted around.

 

[Boar Tracks CA]

Ok I will not post anymore, and let the hand play itself out, but any help would be great.

 

[Cda55]

Lowell , if I can help in any way let me know. I'll be glad to sign a letter or make some calls. If not hunting CR would punish them I'm game for that too. I didn't know if I was going back after the crap they pulled with you last time but this takes the cake. FHL is my new hunting ground.

 

[Kentuck]

I would show Hatch the letter you got and given that would not be able to take anyone hunting. Maybe he would be able to stir something up himself.

 

[Boar Tracks CA]

Just One last Thing, Im also getting a Army Acheivement Medal for the fund raiser by Co Pendleton the unit Co for going above and beyound the call of duty for the Army. ??????????????????? And the FHL game warden said I did a bad thing???????????????????????????????????? Don't get it.

 

[VHRAM]

I also would sign or contribute anyway i could help.sorry you have to be put thru this non senense.eric

 

[Speckmisser]

Hang in there, Lowell.

As I said on the phone tonight, if I'm needed for anything, from witness to whatever, let me know.

Seems an awful lot like the left hand and right hand aren't even sure they're connected to the same body... but then, government agencies pretty much invented the terms SNAFU and FUBAR, right?

I'd make sure and hip Col. Hatch and crew to what's going on, and explain that it pretty much precludes any hunting trips until it's all squared away.

 

[spectr17]

Any names of the warden(s) who investigated the ALLEDGED illegal guiding? Or did they even investigate?

Sounds like a fishing trip to me.

Although, if you take the strict interpretation from the description of guiding

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

2536. (a) It is unlawful for any person to engage in the business
of guiding or packing, or to act as a guide for any consideration or
compensation whatever, without first having secured a guide license
from the department.[/b]

Even if Lowell wasn't compensated himself, it they mean no guiding without a guide license what so ever for any compensation, no matter who gets that compensation, this may be what they're after.

Hello? Audio? Test,,, one two, is this mic on Mr Warden?

 

[Boar Tracks CA]

Theres only one full time warden at FHL....W.L.

 

[Native Instinct]

A certain investigative reporter, or two, might ask how many taxpayer dollars have been spent so far on this witch-hunt in our bankrupt State.

 

[jaehunt]

I am sorry to hear of what is going on with all of this. Kind of makes me sick knowing there are so many other serious offenses going on around us and some pin-head D.A. is wasting time and money on this issue.

Although I don't know you personally, I think it would speak volumes if those members of the board who do know you would write a letter to the judge and/or D.A. One point however:

It will be much more powerful if everyone who wants to write a letter writes one individually. One letter signed by 100 people will have NO impact. This needs to be a personal letter showing how each person knows you and the good qualities that they have seen in you.

I think the above is very important, imagine receiving 100-???? letters all from different folks, all personally written, about the great things you have helped accomplish at FHL.

No one should be afraid to write because they don't think they are a good writer or speller, it won't matter. If you all want someone to review you letters, I would gladly do it for you, I have four years of law school writing under my belt and will gladly help in any way I possibly can.

Sorry again to hear of this,

Jason

 

[oneclearshot]

Lowell, I'm not clear on all of these facts, because as most of you know, I'm relatively new to this Forum...but from all I've read in the past and from some of the personal emails Lowell and I have exchanged recently...you come across as a pretty "Stand-Up" guy and are "Well" thought of! Now some of the pieces to this puzzle that don't complete the "Big Picture" are...why are some of the Big Brass Boys asking you to take them out hunting on one hand, while still others are champin' at the Bit to give you a commendation for services rendered (for the very thing "Others" are tryin' to burn ya' for) and yet this small insignificant faction has got a "Burr Under Their Saddle Blanket" about something you did, for no apparent compensation (Monetary or Materialistic) it sounds like to me, other than help out some folks for a charitable cause? This almost sounds "Personal"...is that possible...could one or more of these "Pushers" have a little attitude workin' here against you, that you can think of ? I'm going to give Jim Matthews a call tomorrow when I get in the office and see what he thinks of all this, from a "Media" perspective...and if most of you read his column "Outdoor California", you know who he is and how well thought of he is in the Hunting Community! That's all I'm sayin' for now on the subject, I know it's a LONG read, but Thanks guys for Bearing with me! And Lowell, what I said in that personal email I sent earlier...just let me know! I think with all the guys here, you've got a pretty strong collective voice.

oneclearshot (that's all I ever need)

 

[oneclearshot]

Hey Lowell, Have you got a return address for that Mary Tatum, Deputy DA of Monterey County? Maybe that's the very person we should begin sending letters to, like jaehunt suggested! And he's right, a whole boatload of letters would have more effect, that one or two with "Petition-Like" signatures. And spelling and grammar and sentence structure etc., etc. went out the window with the fourth grade...you put your thoughts and feelings down on paper...and those "Geniuses" will be able to gleen through them right enough to get the message!

 

[Mel Carter]

Here is a link to the Gov's website, you can email him from there. Or here's his email address, you can do it straight to him. Mines already off, hang in there, Lowell.

http://www.governor.ca.gov/state/govsite/gov_homepage.jsp

governor@governor.ca.gov

 

[Rick]

I sent an email off to the Governor yesterday. Letters to the DFG will go out today - I figure that the Chief of Enforcement (address shown in my post yesterday) will be a good place to start. The DA for Monterrey COunty will be a good one to contact, too - that is an elected position and a well-orchestrated uproar and publicity will make him or her re-think this case, I bet.

 

[Rick]

For what it is worth -

Tom Pedersen
Chief, Enforcement Div.
Department of Fish and Game
1416 9th Street
Sacramento, CA 95814


Dear Mr. Pedersen,

I am writing to you regarding what I believe to be a perhaps over-zealous application of the law. A soldier named Lowell Kreider stationed at Camp Roberts sponsored a raffle to benefit the annual soldier, staff and family barbecue at the base. The proceeds would all go to food and drinks for the base participants. The prize would be that Mr. Kreider would help point the winner in the direction of the best spots to take a deer or pig. I believe Mr. Kreider was assigned to duty with the department that managed recreational use of the base, including hunting and fishing and was thus familiar with the subject. Mr. Kreider received absolutely nothing in return for this, personally. It was a fund-raiser for the military personnel and their families, in order for them to have a nice family day on the base. Some of the families involved had or have loved ones in danger overseas.
Mr. Kreider is being presecuted for “guiding without a license” at the King City Courthouse, arraignment date of April 7, 2004. (DFG Code 2536). I would think that we have better uses for our enforcement resources than this type of prosecution. While Mr. Kreider may have been guilty of poor judgment at worst, his intentions were honorable and he is certainly not guilty of guiding without a license since he received nothing in personal compensation.
Thank you for your kind attention to this letter.


Sincerely,

 

[Speckmisser]

Guys,

Your support for Lowell is pretty awesome. He is a great guy, a true sportsman, and definitely doesn't deserve the heat that's being applied.

However, I might suggest that if you want to write a letter of support, please do so from the perspective that Lowell is an asset to the Service, the community, and sportsmen-at-large. Please don't try to defend your interpretation of his actions, or their legality. You may very well be digging a deeper hole for the very guy you're trying to help.

I'm no lawyer, despite my occasional fancy talk. But it strikes me that, given the letter of the law, those in the legal profession (especially prosecutors) might be able to turn even the most well-intentioned statements (as per Rick's letter) against Lowell.

I don't know if this is coming across right or not. What I'm trying to say is, every letter that desribes what Lowell was doing with these hunts could very well be building the prosecution's case. If it is illegal to guide for ANY compensation, it may not be necessary for that compensation to be personal. The fact that someone realized profit from this deal may be enough. (This is the point where a real lawyer might wanna step in and correct me or confirm what I'm saying.)

Please, for Lowell's sake, give this some thought.

 

[VHRAM]

if i remember correctly didnt lowell say that jag or what ever legal rep the milatary has okd the event to begin with?

 

[Boar Tracks CA]

Yes they did, and thanks guys for all the support.
Lowell