Arrow Penetration on Boars

[EvBouret]

waaaaaahhhh....waaaahhhhh

what is this a who's killed a bigger pig contest?

 

[kingwouldbe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EvBouret @ Feb 13 2007, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

waaaaaahhhh....waaaahhhhh

what is this a who's killed a bigger pig contest?[/b]

No reason to cry EvBouret you will get a big one some day.

I know the girls told you size doesn't matter.

 

[spectr17]

King, I think you made your point with the first 10 pics. After that it's just hijacking the thread. Don't we already have a thread for your glory?

Why don't we get back on topic, arrow penetration on hogs.

 

[Orso]

In the movie "The man who would be king", the "King" took himself a little too seriously and didn't know when to quit when he was ahead. Turns out everyone found out who he really was and in short order was no longer "King"...

Can we keep it civil around here?

 

[Arrowslinger]

Spectr17 & Orso......you just spoke for many (if not all) of us

 

[Rancho Loco]

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[500+grns]

Another great attribute to a heavy arrow is the silencing of the release.
The more weight,the more energy is absorbed from the bow,thus making it quieter.
I've seen hogs turn nearly 180 dgrs.at 20-25 yrds. from a string jump and continue on their way as the arrow sails by.
I read into all the kinetic energy BS years ago about speed and weight and lost 3 huge boars in one year because I was shooting light arrows(435 grns.-70 lbs.)Prior to that I was shooting 64 lbs. with a 2216 and had no problems.Guess some of us have to learn the hard way.
Drive a sports car into a concrete wall at 120 mph and drive a 1 ton truck into the same wall at 70 mph.Mass energy wins.
My set-up may seem to be over kill,but I'm always ready for a big tusker when the opportunity arises.Two more inches of penatration could mean the difference of getting that broadhead into the chest cavity.It's all over for any animal once the blades go to work on the vitals.

 

[Backcountry]

There's some real good information in this thread. The photographs of how thick the armor (or pads) can get says it all... but that's not all that's thick.

Reading between the lines, I'm developing a theory that arrow flight, terminal ballistics, and über-expert hunting advice are closely related… it’s all about the delivery.

 

[Orso]

500 + grns - So you set-up is under 7grains per pound (right? want to make sure I did the math right before I continue). So your 555 grain arrow must just scream and shoot a real flat trajectory. Have you ever shot 9 or 10 grns per lb. at the 80lb draw? With that kind of weight you would really have some knock down power. Also, in respects to your bow being quieter with a heavy arrow, wouldn't your bow set-up make just as much noise (given everything else being equal) as a guy shooting a 400grain arrow pulling 60lbs.? The grains per lbs would be relatively close. Wouldn't you need the higher grain per lb. to keep the bow quieter?

I'm no expert and I am not trying to debate, I'm just looking for your opinion or others thoughts.

I too am a firm believer of using a heavier arrow. I'm shooting between 9 to 10 grns per lb and when my longbow has the correct brace height, I find it to bee very quiet.

What bow do you shoot.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Orso]

As I shoot more and more I thought that one day I'd like to get a longbow that pulls 70lbs and shoot a 700grn arrow with it. I think that would make an awesome big boar set up.

 

[500+grns]

Orso,
Easton dosn't produce the 2419 anymore,tried the 2317,2219,couldn't get em to fly so I was sol as far as spine was concerned w/150 grn. old school Thunderheads,and Magnus Stingers.I was working on shooting somthing in the area of 650+ grns,but couldn't find the right formula.The Rhino shaft I'm shooting gets me 3" groups at 50 yrds.so I'm sticking to it.I'm going to try a couple of them filled with ground pepper and see how they fly.I shoot a Mathews Apex 7 and it's quiet,but I'd like to take that tiny bit of kick out of it,another 100 grns.would do the trick.

 

[Orso]

Very cool 500+

 

[hogwild757]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (500+grns @ Feb 13 2007, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Orso,
Easton dosn't produce the 2419 anymore,tried the 2317,2219,couldn't get em to fly so I was sol as far as spine was concerned w/150 grn. old school Thunderheads,and Magnus Stingers.I was working on shooting somthing in the area of 650+ grns,but couldn't find the right formula.The Rhino shaft I'm shooting gets me 3" groups at 50 yrds.so I'm sticking to it.I'm going to try a couple of them filled with ground pepper and see how they fly.I shoot a Mathews Apex 7 and it's quiet,but I'd like to take that tiny bit of kick out of it,another 100 grns.would do the trick.[/b]

Wrong they still make it 2419. Not sure where you're getting the info. Call predators Archery. They may have it in stock. Remeber if you shoot a heavier arrow thats over spined for the lbs you're shooting you may not get the arrow flight you want and you don't need a 650 gr arrow to take a hog down.
SHOT PLACEMENT,SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT

 

[Orso]

PWA - You're right you don't need a 650 grain arrow to take down a hog. I'm sure many guys are using under 400 grains. However, 500+ is pulling back 80lbs. A 650 grain arrow would be about 8 grains per lb. Which I think is spot on. I my self like to shoot between 9-10 grains per lb.

But yes, SHOT PLACEMENT, SHOT PLACEMENT, SHOT PLACEMENT is absolutely correct while having a tuned arrow/bow combo...

 

[500+grns]

Scenario-I was hunting Hillside Ranch a few years back and approached a 250+ boar from up high.The angle was near 45 dgrs.and I had him perfectly broadside at 20 yrds.with his head in the ground.The arrow struck mid body tight behind the shoulder.Perfect placement for the angle of the dangle.He lifted his head,grunted,and ran down the hill with about 26" of a 29" arrow waving at me.435 grn. arrow doing 270fps with a sharp Muzzy 100 grn. broadhead.I was crushed.I had that SOB hanging on the wall before I released the arrow.That was the last time I shot a TARGET arrow at any animal.

 

[hogwild757]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (500+grns @ Feb 9 2007, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

It's not the weight of the bow,as much as the weight of the arrow and a strong cut on contact broadhead.(2-blade)
Wild hogs are the fastest animals on earth (0 to 50 meters)and I've never seen an animal jump a string faster even at 20 yrds. or closer.
Bad hits are common in bow hunting hogs and the heavier the arrow, the more damage and penetration is done at the point of contact.The energy is greatly reduced at this point and the weight of the arrow is the only thing you can count on to carry the broadhead foward.
I've shot alot of hogs and have had problems with light arrows no matter how fast it's traveling the penetration wasn't there.
My hog set-up is 80# with a 555 grn. arrow.I shoot the weight because I'm comfortable with it and shoot it accurately.(No more problems with the big ones)500+grns.is the ticket.[/b]

There is only one person I know of that come into to the Archery shop that frequently tell us about shooting a 500gr + arrow @300fps I know of. He blast right through big hogs, and thats what he is comfortable with.

I shoot a mathews Q2 set 66 lbs, my arrow is a 271/2 Beman ICS hunter 400(410) gr. I still get pass through shots. and there is some times I may take a quartering away shot in the pocket and hit bone. But still retrieve my hog. The furthest tracking was 40 yds I hit a shoulder bone on the oposit side. The hog broke my arrow but the broadhead still did its job.

Shoot an arrow whats spined correctly for your bow accurately and take high percentage shots.

 

[Wild1]

 

[Nic Barca]

kingwouldbe, what the hell are you hunting, Eurasian wild boar?! Those don't look like any of the ferals I've seen pics of from around the country. Your right though. Where I'm from the boars are different, but the same rules of genetic variation are the same here as around the country, only over here the smaller polynesian boar is still the dominant trait. But I've caught some nice thick-tusked boars in my days. They might be only 150 LBS but they are mature,if not very old, and over here considered good pigs. By "pad" I mean "shield" or what you refer to as "armor". The pad is what we call it here and didn't know it would confuse anybody. I assure you, age does not equal inexperience in my case. Guess we're opposites; I'm the humble silent-warrior type. Nice tusks on your boars, by the way, but I can't trust your weights. Looks like trick photography on a few of them.

 

[hatchet1]

 

[kingwouldbe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nic Barca @ Feb 13 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

kingwouldbe, what the hell are you hunting, Eurasian wild boar?! Those don't look like any of the ferals I've seen pics of from around the country. Your right though. Where I'm from the boars are different, but the same rules of genetic variation are the same here as around the country, only over here the smaller polynesian boar is still the dominant trait. But I've caught some nice thick-tusked boars in my days. They might be only 150 LBS but they are mature,if not very old, and over here considered good pigs. By "pad" I mean "shield" or what you refer to as "armor". The pad is what we call it here and didn't know it would confuse anybody. I assure you, age does not equal inexperience in my case. Guess we're opposites; I'm the humble silent-warrior type. Nice tusks on your boars, by the way, but I can't trust your weights. Looks like trick photography on a few of them.[/b]

Nic, I do like your style and your convictions. If you look at some of the Island boars I posted it's the same thing, there old, but never develop into that North American Rhino. The big boars are vary rare and are seldom killed, most main land boars fall into the 1st & 2ND category.

Though there vary tough, there not that hard to kill, the 3rd category is so tough it is unbelievable how much punishment they can take.

The pic of the 1st 400lb er, I shot every arrow I had into him and never had an exit, farthest shot was 25yds, he was just to thick and hard, as he would spin his armor was snapping my carbon arrows like tooth pics and this guy did charge me 4 times, when I was finely out of arrows I climbed a tree and waited for him to die.

As far as trick photograph, yea, I like to take the best pic possible and I can get carried away some time.