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Well all i have to say is HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!! TO ALL OF YOU AT J.H.P and be thankfull that we still have the right to hunt !!!!!!! so cal hunter
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Unfortunately, it would be like pulling teeth to get my friends to go hunting any where, let alone 4-6 hours away!
Sense we all went to BHR, now they are all talking about trying other places, but i think without that first experience, they would never even considered trying other places.
AzHalvy; i think it was great that you took you're son there for his first time!
And if people don't like it, think it's a joke, or think it's not hunting, WHO CARES WHAT THEY THINK!!!!
just have a good time with you're kids, any way you can!!!
Sense we all went to BHR, now they are all talking about trying other places, but i think without that first experience, they would never even considered trying other places.
AzHalvy; i think it was great that you took you're son there for his first time!
And if people don't like it, think it's a joke, or think it's not hunting, WHO CARES WHAT THEY THINK!!!!
just have a good time with you're kids, any way you can!!!
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Whew......some of you guys went WAY over the top on this thread, but that's cool because it's great to hear different perspectives. So back to the ORIGINAL POST (which simply is);
"Anyone heard of Big Horn Ranch in Riverside for wild boar? It's supposed to be some private ranch for sheep, pig and goat. Anyopne been there? Had success? Waste of money? any input would be great."
My responses;
1. Yes and no (Yes I've heard of it and no, there's no wild boar on the premises).
2. Yes (I went there once with two friends to check it out about 5 years ago).
3. Yes and no (the two guys with me took two farmer johns, but I just plain didn't have the desire to shoot Arnold [the pig from Green Acres]). I did walk right up to a Rambiolet (French sheep with BIG horns) that must've been 20 years old and weighed a good 250 lbs. I think he was 1/2 asleep or dying or something though, no wild in him at all.
4. No, not a waste of money if you're happy about shooting a totally domestic animal.
And my 2 cents on this and most of the posts I've read on this; I say to each his own, as long as what you're doing is legal, doesn't hurt someone else or deplete that resource. You want to hunt planted pheasant or planted pigs or planted deer, go for it. See, that takes one more hunter out of the field I'm hunting that day. So it works for me just fine........
"Anyone heard of Big Horn Ranch in Riverside for wild boar? It's supposed to be some private ranch for sheep, pig and goat. Anyopne been there? Had success? Waste of money? any input would be great."
My responses;
1. Yes and no (Yes I've heard of it and no, there's no wild boar on the premises).
2. Yes (I went there once with two friends to check it out about 5 years ago).
3. Yes and no (the two guys with me took two farmer johns, but I just plain didn't have the desire to shoot Arnold [the pig from Green Acres]). I did walk right up to a Rambiolet (French sheep with BIG horns) that must've been 20 years old and weighed a good 250 lbs. I think he was 1/2 asleep or dying or something though, no wild in him at all.
4. No, not a waste of money if you're happy about shooting a totally domestic animal.
And my 2 cents on this and most of the posts I've read on this; I say to each his own, as long as what you're doing is legal, doesn't hurt someone else or deplete that resource. You want to hunt planted pheasant or planted pigs or planted deer, go for it. See, that takes one more hunter out of the field I'm hunting that day. So it works for me just fine........
Hmmm... I fish in the ocean. When it is good, you can't miss.
You cruise up on that paddy after trolling and searching for hours. Then you see them. From 30 yards away, there are neon yellow tails darting around that paddy. Your hand trembles as you scoop up a bait while your bud clears the troll lines. You carefully cast the first bait, 10 yards off the paddy and every stinking neon glowing fish tears off after it. Your bait panicks. It accelerates running from the predators it senses all around it. Then it stops suddenly. Then it tears off peeling line at an alarming rate. You thumb the spool to keep the impending backlash off and after a few seconds and 30 yards of line, you throw the reel into gear, lean back and the pole doubles over, the reel screaming. Your bud throws a handful of bait back towards the paddy and the water boils with 50 fish fighting over the dozen or so baits, some fish breaking the water, leaving splashes like a bowling ball dropped from an airplane. It goes totally WFO! You cant miss. They will hit anything moving.
I been there, done that. It was epic.
It was also difficult. I had to go over SST charts, and weather bouy data. I had to check out the trends, I had to go over my boat and gear, making sure everything was ready. You don't want things to go wrong that far out to sea in a skiff. I had to drive 3 hours south with the trailer, pickup my bud and drive the boat 4 hours before I found that motherlode paddy. Prep time was probably 10 hours. The fishing trip, clean up, etc, had me up, working on my feet for nearly 20 hours. I won't tell you about all the failed trips, the hours searching, catching a few skippies or just spotting a shark or even seeing nothing at all.
Contrast this with going on a party boat, paying $700 and running down to San Martin and points further south. You have a stateroom. You have showers. Deckhands clean the fish, clean the boat, throw the chum, clear the lines. The Captain finds the fish, spends all his attention hunting the fish down for you. You are fishing in an area that nobody else can fish, because it is so remote. You paid to get to this fishing mecca.
Is one better than the other? Depends on who you are.
I always wanted to save up enough money to go on a hunting trip some place untouched. Some place where people very seldom frequent. A place loaded with game. But would that make it too easy? Is it still hunting?
I went to one of those pay, high fence places. I felt odd. It was too easy for me when I did it. I don't think it is too easy for a child. I kept the mount of the Barbados I killed. I tried to eat the meat (eeeew, nasty, even as sausage). I always remembered that hunt, when I started to search public land. I hunted season in and out and didn't see much other than sign. I didn't mind though, I didn't want it to be easy.
I had been there and done that.
After 10 years I finally found a spot for deer in San Diego. I feel highly confident I will take game there. I actually named that Barbados on my wall. I call him "Balance" because that is what hunting is to me. If it is too easy, I am not pleased. If it is too hard, I will give up. It needs to be somewhere in the middle. I hope all the hunters on this board find their own balance. I will not judge another man's balance. Maybe he hiked a hundered miles and never found game. Maybe his sick father is dying and wants to go one last time and get one. Maybe his son needs to score first blood and possibly several times until he seeks something with more challenge.
Can enviro's use high fence hunting as a weapon in the media? Yes. Can enviros use shows on hunting as well? Yes. Can someone film the hardest hunt on the Earth, cut it down to a few scenes and make it look impossibly easy compared to what it was in reality? Yes. I don't see a way to change this.
I probably will be taking my own boy, who is 5, out some place similar at some point, so he can learn his own balance.
You are a great dad for taking your boy. Be proud of him. Cherish these moments, the first steps of a hunter. I hope you and he both find balance in your lives and your hunting.
You cruise up on that paddy after trolling and searching for hours. Then you see them. From 30 yards away, there are neon yellow tails darting around that paddy. Your hand trembles as you scoop up a bait while your bud clears the troll lines. You carefully cast the first bait, 10 yards off the paddy and every stinking neon glowing fish tears off after it. Your bait panicks. It accelerates running from the predators it senses all around it. Then it stops suddenly. Then it tears off peeling line at an alarming rate. You thumb the spool to keep the impending backlash off and after a few seconds and 30 yards of line, you throw the reel into gear, lean back and the pole doubles over, the reel screaming. Your bud throws a handful of bait back towards the paddy and the water boils with 50 fish fighting over the dozen or so baits, some fish breaking the water, leaving splashes like a bowling ball dropped from an airplane. It goes totally WFO! You cant miss. They will hit anything moving.
I been there, done that. It was epic.
It was also difficult. I had to go over SST charts, and weather bouy data. I had to check out the trends, I had to go over my boat and gear, making sure everything was ready. You don't want things to go wrong that far out to sea in a skiff. I had to drive 3 hours south with the trailer, pickup my bud and drive the boat 4 hours before I found that motherlode paddy. Prep time was probably 10 hours. The fishing trip, clean up, etc, had me up, working on my feet for nearly 20 hours. I won't tell you about all the failed trips, the hours searching, catching a few skippies or just spotting a shark or even seeing nothing at all.
Contrast this with going on a party boat, paying $700 and running down to San Martin and points further south. You have a stateroom. You have showers. Deckhands clean the fish, clean the boat, throw the chum, clear the lines. The Captain finds the fish, spends all his attention hunting the fish down for you. You are fishing in an area that nobody else can fish, because it is so remote. You paid to get to this fishing mecca.
Is one better than the other? Depends on who you are.
I always wanted to save up enough money to go on a hunting trip some place untouched. Some place where people very seldom frequent. A place loaded with game. But would that make it too easy? Is it still hunting?
I went to one of those pay, high fence places. I felt odd. It was too easy for me when I did it. I don't think it is too easy for a child. I kept the mount of the Barbados I killed. I tried to eat the meat (eeeew, nasty, even as sausage). I always remembered that hunt, when I started to search public land. I hunted season in and out and didn't see much other than sign. I didn't mind though, I didn't want it to be easy.
I had been there and done that.
After 10 years I finally found a spot for deer in San Diego. I feel highly confident I will take game there. I actually named that Barbados on my wall. I call him "Balance" because that is what hunting is to me. If it is too easy, I am not pleased. If it is too hard, I will give up. It needs to be somewhere in the middle. I hope all the hunters on this board find their own balance. I will not judge another man's balance. Maybe he hiked a hundered miles and never found game. Maybe his sick father is dying and wants to go one last time and get one. Maybe his son needs to score first blood and possibly several times until he seeks something with more challenge.
Can enviro's use high fence hunting as a weapon in the media? Yes. Can enviros use shows on hunting as well? Yes. Can someone film the hardest hunt on the Earth, cut it down to a few scenes and make it look impossibly easy compared to what it was in reality? Yes. I don't see a way to change this.
I probably will be taking my own boy, who is 5, out some place similar at some point, so he can learn his own balance.
You are a great dad for taking your boy. Be proud of him. Cherish these moments, the first steps of a hunter. I hope you and he both find balance in your lives and your hunting.
Not interested in getting into the peeing contest about big horn, but the USAHUNTER name was mine until recently and had to switch to dirtpoor to continue posting for technical reason's, so mod's please update usahunters logo and remove the fallbrook address, thank's
I know this post has been run through the mill. To each his own. Having grown up in the midwest and never heard of hunting fenced in game I say yuuuuk! However I have lived in Kalifornia since 1986 and have learned to be amazed. I beagn to hunt Arizona shortly after arriving in the golden state. I tried a deer hunt once up in the Trinity Alps. Beautiful Country, weird people, once was enough. I stuck with Arizona, unit 36C tough but beautiful. Real hunting, miles of walking, wild game, came back from one hunt so crippled I could hardly walk. I had to pick up my pant leg by hand at the knee to lift my leg to climb a draw. Did not shoot a thing that hunt. But had a great time.
Bottom line, hunting is hunting, shooting is shooting. Don't call one what one isn't but if you like it, do it. City folk don't have the chance to do alot of things people raised in the country do. I had some native Kalifornians take me pheasant hunting in 1997 at "Rauhaggeees" unsure on spelling. It was like shooting drunkin chickens off a farmers door step. Horrible for me. But maybe for a New Yorker it would have been as primal as anything. Anyway I don't give a rats ass.
For some folks thats the best or closest to hunting they will ever get. Those same people would get lost and die where I came from. There used to pride in being a good woodsman. Now it is all about the shoot. Wake up people, leave the gun at home, learn your animals, learn to track, learn your animals again, spend time in the outdoors, read about the critters and then get out there and apply it. You cannot read Outdoor life articles on deer and become an expert. Get out there
and do it. Scents, camo, calls only do so much.
Sorry got on a soap box
Bottom line, HUNT NOT SHOOT
Bottom line, hunting is hunting, shooting is shooting. Don't call one what one isn't but if you like it, do it. City folk don't have the chance to do alot of things people raised in the country do. I had some native Kalifornians take me pheasant hunting in 1997 at "Rauhaggeees" unsure on spelling. It was like shooting drunkin chickens off a farmers door step. Horrible for me. But maybe for a New Yorker it would have been as primal as anything. Anyway I don't give a rats ass.
For some folks thats the best or closest to hunting they will ever get. Those same people would get lost and die where I came from. There used to pride in being a good woodsman. Now it is all about the shoot. Wake up people, leave the gun at home, learn your animals, learn to track, learn your animals again, spend time in the outdoors, read about the critters and then get out there and apply it. You cannot read Outdoor life articles on deer and become an expert. Get out there
and do it. Scents, camo, calls only do so much.
Sorry got on a soap box
