Boar Hunting

[Bishop]

Bullit:
You probably already know that most expanding 9mm bullits are designed for human targets, therefore quick expansion and low penetration. You want the opposite for pigs. Look for a jacketed soft point round or some type of hollow point that is made to penetrate more. Federal Hydra Shock, and Winchester Silver Tips would not be a good choice. You still want expansion, but more penetration.

 

[1SoCalHunter]

DILPRXO:
Any time you are in the woods (Forest land, BLM, etc), you can carry concealed weapons loaded or unloaded WHILE HUNTING (outside the truck) and you DON'T need to have a dead animal with you to prove that you are hunting, just your hunting license and tag during season and you are OK.

RIFLEMAN:
The reason why the CHP officer told you that you were OK and gave you back your .357MAG was because you can't "transport" weapons in your vehicle "at all times" (unless you have a CCW or similar permit). You can only do it when you are going to and from the range or to and from your hunting spot, etc. and you MUST have it "unloaded" and "properly" stored.

I hope that this clarifies any outstanding doubts to everybody.

 

[DILPRXO]

Socal...your points seem well reasoned..thanks for the insight.

As for 9mm ammo.. you might try to find some 127gr +P+ out of the Winchester Ranger line.It is pricey but can be located at gunshows.What it is a 127gr Black Talon that is loaded to higher pressures for law enforcement. In ballistic tests it was one of the best for getting thru various barriers while penetrating deeply and expanding. My Sig loves them..and they perform alot better than the original 147gr Black Talon in my experience..Just ask for Ranger "T's"..their P.C name..lol.

Take care

 

[1SoCalHunter]

DILPRXO:
Talk about Winchester Rangers, I LOVE THEM!!! They are the BEST!! I love the way they expand, I tested them penetrating through wet phone books, you got a love them!

As you say you can get them at gun shows or you can also get them at Police Academies or Depots (if you have a badge).

 

[RIFLEMAN]

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The reason why the CHP officer told you that you were OK and gave you back your .357MAG was because you can't "transport" weapons in your vehicle "at all times" (unless you have a CCW or similar permit). You can only do it when you are going to and from the range or to and from your hunting spot, etc. and you MUST have it "unloaded" and "properly" stored.[/b]

I'm confused by what you mean, SoCal. As someone who does not have a CCW...
*I am allowed to transport a firearm in my vehicle whenever I want to, regardless of where I am going.
*I am allowed to conceal my firearm from view in my vehicle only when going to, from or during hunting, camping, fishing, to the range, etc.
*I am not allowed to have a weapon loaded in my vehicle at any time.

Could you clarify what you meant?

 

[Kickaha]

Rifleman,

Ooops. I meant that you can't have a loaded weapon in your vehicle at any time. Whether on you, under the seat, or in the trunk. Unless you've got the "get out of jail free" card.

You may be correct about having it concealed while going to or from hunting, but I personally would not push it unless that particular law was very clear on the subject and I had a copy for those officers who used the cliff-notes version of the penal code to pass the academy.


Dilprxo,

I know where you're coming from. I've had similar conversations with others. For example, why can't I load up with my pistol, hunting license, and pig tags, and "hunt" anywhere it's legal to hunt. And if I just happen to be in an area that has never seen a pig in the last 10,000 years, so what? I'm just not a good hunter and didn't know that is all (but I did hear rumors, so I'm there to check it out)....


SoCal,

I believe Rifleman is correct when he states that you can transport a firearm anywhere anytime for any reason. There may be some exceptions for the banned firearms, but I've never heard of a general rule.


Bishop & Others,

Thanks for the tips on ammo. I was wondering about the subject as well, but have yet to take a handgun along with me while hunting. I'll get a box of rangers to try out in my .40 Glock. Also, does anyone have a preference between Winchester SuperX Hunting or Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claws for a larger caliber (.44 or .454 Casull). Or another brand?


Bullit,

Sorry to stomp on your thread.

 

[1SoCalHunter]

RIFLEMAN/KICKAHA:
To clear things up here is the California Penal Code:

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12026.1.   (a) Section 12025 shall not be construed to prohibit any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the following applies to the firearm:

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment.

(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked container.

(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with this chapter.

© As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.[/b]

That my friends DOES NOT mean carry it in your vehicle AT ALL TIMES, "lawful purpose" means going to and from the range, going to and from hunting as I mentioned before. It also means that a "handgun" may never be concealed in your vehicle where ever you want to store it, it means in a "locked container" or locked in the vehicle's trunk, no glove compartments (please read above). Please be VERY CAREFUL or it could cost you a ticket to jail guys...

 

[Speckmisser]

1SoCal,

Read it again. Lawful purpose DOES include simply transporting the firearm from point A to point B, regardless of your intent or purpose (unless that intent or purpose is illegal, in which case the prohibition is also covered in those statutes). In other words, you don't have to be going hunting, camping, or to the range. You can be going over to Joe's house, or out to dinner, as long as the weapon is properly stored.

The exception is that the locked container rule does not apply when going to or from any of the approved activities (range, hunting, camping, etc.).

The locked container rule also does not apply to long guns, unless they are under the Assault Weapon regs, which is another whole ball of wax.

You are correct, however, about concealing a weapon in the vehicle. This is a tough one in a pickup truck, since my pistol case often gets buried under stuff in the back seat (I refuse to toss it back aft, because my camper shell doesn't lock anymore). Concealed, for the purposes of most law enforcement officers, includes having a coat tossed over the case. Keep that in mind.

Oh, and Bullit... as Kick said, sorry to take your thread on a new tangent. Hope you got the info you were looking for. By the way, when I carried my Browning Hi-Power, I used the Winchester Silvertips. I finished one hog with it behind the ear, so performance really wasn't a big issue... but even at that range, it made a nice, nickel-sized exit on the opposite side. It'll definitely work as a coup d'grace, or to keep them off of you while you find a tree.

 

[1SoCalHunter]

Speck:
I don't want to start a fire here nor deviate the original topic of the thread, but ask any law enforcement officer what will happen to your "properly stored" in the vehicle .357MAG if you get pulled over and after you telling the officer that you have a weapon in the vehicle and you tell him that you carry it in the vehicle at ALL times...

 

[Bishop]

12026.1. (a) Section 12025 shall not be construed to prohibit any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the following applies to the firearm:


Look at the last sentence "transporting or carrying". The purpose of this is to allow people who travel a means of self protection. It is very common for truck drivers and people traveling in motor homes, or on business trips to carry a properly stored handgun.

 

[DILPRXO]

Hi Kickaha
While I haven't had a chance to use the Win or Fed Bearclaws out of a .44..I have been using the Remington 240gr JSP on pigs for years. Settles them down very nicely! It's worked so well that I really haven't seen the need to try any of the new loads being produced.I did sample some 300gr Federal cast cores but my Ruger didn't seem to like them...they kept shooting high even after I adjusted the sight to as far as possible.Nothing against the gun or load..just didn't seem compatable in my case.

Take care.

 

[MrMullen]

As one who follows the CCW laws pretty closely around the U.S., don't carry a loaded gun in your car unless you have a CCW/CPL. California is up there with New Jersey on packing in the car. Have the ammo locked up and the gun locked up in another container in a different part of the car, like the trunk. Any California DA would love to throw a good honest gun owner in jail.
If your lucky, you can buy* a CCW for your county in California.


* With few exceptions, you have to give a "donation" to your local Sheriff "Re-election" fund. California CCW is about the most corrupt in the country.