Blah, blah, blah. Everyone agrees that the DFG shouldn't have screwed up. But everybody else (except you) agrees that the ultimate responsibility is YOURS and YOU dropped the ball. If there were no other way for you to meet the deadline, I'd be right there with you, but plenty of folks did not receive a package in the mail but still managed to get the job done. After this year's fiasco, I'll bet you never miss the deadline again. Good luck on your other states' draws and in future California draws.
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Your right this is not just about you, that you did not get your packet in the mail and like hogskin said i'm sure many others did not, but they did find a way to put in, i'm sorry but I can't see where it's the DFG problem, if I do not receive a tax book from the IRS is it my fault that I did not mail in my tax's or the IRS, it's my fault, you need to take responsbility for your own actions and in your cases lack or action, it's something that is lacking in today's society.
I don't think that anything anyone says here will change your mind it is made up and DFG is at fault, but it's something you can't convince the 10-12 others that have posted on this, because we have all been there done that and take responability for forgetting.
Heck even Jesse forgot and it cost him a extra $28 to get into a drawing and chances are he won't get drawen, but you have zero chance if you don't put your paper in the hat.
Your right this is not just about you, that you did not get your packet in the mail and like hogskin said i'm sure many others did not, but they did find a way to put in, i'm sorry but I can't see where it's the DFG problem, if I do not receive a tax book from the IRS is it my fault that I did not mail in my tax's or the IRS, it's my fault, you need to take responsbility for your own actions and in your cases lack or action, it's something that is lacking in today's society.
I don't think that anything anyone says here will change your mind it is made up and DFG is at fault, but it's something you can't convince the 10-12 others that have posted on this, because we have all been there done that and take responability for forgetting.
Heck even Jesse forgot and it cost him a extra $28 to get into a drawing and chances are he won't get drawen, but you have zero chance if you don't put your paper in the hat.
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My last post on the subject.
This bit was on the lower part of my last post. Some people only read and see what they want to see. Please read.
As a collective whole are we hunters as dense as some of your posts suggest? The Big Game Draw is the one largest single event in the Department of Fish and Game to raise revenue. They couldn't even get it right. Doesn't that bother you?
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" It's not about my loss. It's about the arrival of applications 10 days after the draw.
You all should put more thought into what the DFG should do, so this doesn't happen again.
It should inspire all of you, to contact DFG, to find out why this happened.
Again ...........just my thoughts.
Saddletender"
This bit was on the lower part of my last post. Some people only read and see what they want to see. Please read.
As a collective whole are we hunters as dense as some of your posts suggest? The Big Game Draw is the one largest single event in the Department of Fish and Game to raise revenue. They couldn't even get it right. Doesn't that bother you?
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" It's not about my loss. It's about the arrival of applications 10 days after the draw.
You all should put more thought into what the DFG should do, so this doesn't happen again.
It should inspire all of you, to contact DFG, to find out why this happened.
Again ...........just my thoughts.
Saddletender"
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Your missing the BIG picture here, I can only speak for myself, but you have missed the part that the DFG owes you nothing, and in the past they never had anything more then you buy your license find a BG book somewhere fill out the Elk app. and mail it in, not that it's the DFG fault you did not get it in or it's some left wing conspiracy inside the DFG that hunters would not get a app. there for no elk would be killed.
I mailed in for both Wy. & Mt. antelope I requested a book & app. from Wy. once over the internet, Mt it was 3 times and still no book & app. so I called them and within 5 days a nice packet came in the mail, I knew from years past and online that there deadline was in June, so I did not wait until May 31 to call.
Oh I forgot to tell you all my sister works at DFG and she programs all the putters for automatic mailing and I had here do this on purpose so my chances would be better.
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Your missing the BIG picture here, I can only speak for myself, but you have missed the part that the DFG owes you nothing, and in the past they never had anything more then you buy your license find a BG book somewhere fill out the Elk app. and mail it in, not that it's the DFG fault you did not get it in or it's some left wing conspiracy inside the DFG that hunters would not get a app. there for no elk would be killed.
I mailed in for both Wy. & Mt. antelope I requested a book & app. from Wy. once over the internet, Mt it was 3 times and still no book & app. so I called them and within 5 days a nice packet came in the mail, I knew from years past and online that there deadline was in June, so I did not wait until May 31 to call.
Oh I forgot to tell you all my sister works at DFG and she programs all the putters for automatic mailing and I had here do this on purpose so my chances would be better.
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I do see your point, but this is not the way to bring it. YOU should send and email to the F&G commision. Yes it sucks what they do, yes, they are taking $$$s from the F&G budget, but they will not really care in this administration. I would love to know what the new "bio" dept. is going to do. I feel they will find more ways to steal $$$ from the F&G and we will get worse service. Look, Tracks, is not a magzine anymore, than becoming the BigGame booklet.
If you ran down the hill to Sacramento at the next F&G commissioner's meeting, that would be the best way to bring this point. I do agree with you about "doing more" to change things.
I do see your point, but this is not the way to bring it. YOU should send and email to the F&G commision. Yes it sucks what they do, yes, they are taking $$$s from the F&G budget, but they will not really care in this administration. I would love to know what the new "bio" dept. is going to do. I feel they will find more ways to steal $$$ from the F&G and we will get worse service. Look, Tracks, is not a magzine anymore, than becoming the BigGame booklet.
If you ran down the hill to Sacramento at the next F&G commissioner's meeting, that would be the best way to bring this point. I do agree with you about "doing more" to change things.
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I dunno, i was taught the government holding my hand was the LAST thing a person would want.
I wonder how all those new hunters to California this year managed to get in the draw since they didn't get mailed any apps.
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You seem to be crying foul over 2 issues.
1. You didn't get in the draw because you didn't get your personal invitation..
2. The DFG screwed the pooch and lost out on more money.
Is the mailing issue even the DFG's fault? Many states contract this out to another company and then the USPS also gets into the chain of events. Why not find out who really is at fault first before going off half cocked.
Dense? I'm in the draw and I'm not on the outside looking in. I didn't get an AZ booklet this year for some reason. I went online and downloaded what I needed and then applied online. I would have mailed my apps in if they didn't have an online app process.
How many people have to point out your error before the light bulb comes on?
I wonder how all those new hunters to California this year managed to get in the draw since they didn't get mailed any apps.
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You seem to be crying foul over 2 issues.
1. You didn't get in the draw because you didn't get your personal invitation..
2. The DFG screwed the pooch and lost out on more money.
Is the mailing issue even the DFG's fault? Many states contract this out to another company and then the USPS also gets into the chain of events. Why not find out who really is at fault first before going off half cocked.
Dense? I'm in the draw and I'm not on the outside looking in. I didn't get an AZ booklet this year for some reason. I went online and downloaded what I needed and then applied online. I would have mailed my apps in if they didn't have an online app process.
How many people have to point out your error before the light bulb comes on?
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This thread has become a battleground.
I am going to sympathize or play the devils advocate just for a moment. I think Saddletenders main point is not that he missed the draw. I think that it is the negligence of the DFG and the fact that they did not send out the booklet to entire counties. That is a little concerning. What if the same effort or lack of is used to conduct the draw? What if you found out that you were drawn for sheep but they never mailed you your tag? I understand that. It sucks that the DFG screwed this up. Now, on a different note I did not miss the draw. I would not miss the draw if I did not receive a booklet. I would drive to Sacramento or the moon to get one if that was necessary. I look forward to receiving that thing all year long. The results for this one are not even out yet and I can’t wait to receive my Big Game Booklet 2004. But that is just me. I am a little concerned that the DFG can't carry out simple tasks. But like Jesse said, I can't and don’t expect anyone and especially a Gov agency to hold my hand.
BUT!!!! Dont worry all. I am in the process of applying for the Game Warden Cadet academy with the intent of being a Biologist some day. Rest assured if I can I am going to get in there and kick some ass a straighten there crap out. I care very much about this State and the hunting that it provides. While we are not Colorado or New Mexico the hunting here has been damn good to me. I love it and love to apply every year. It is even more fun now to be here on Jesses and talk and dream of what may or may not be. So everyone sit back and enjoy it. If you did not get in the draw then go buy a calendar and get it done next year so you do not miss out.
Paul
I am going to sympathize or play the devils advocate just for a moment. I think Saddletenders main point is not that he missed the draw. I think that it is the negligence of the DFG and the fact that they did not send out the booklet to entire counties. That is a little concerning. What if the same effort or lack of is used to conduct the draw? What if you found out that you were drawn for sheep but they never mailed you your tag? I understand that. It sucks that the DFG screwed this up. Now, on a different note I did not miss the draw. I would not miss the draw if I did not receive a booklet. I would drive to Sacramento or the moon to get one if that was necessary. I look forward to receiving that thing all year long. The results for this one are not even out yet and I can’t wait to receive my Big Game Booklet 2004. But that is just me. I am a little concerned that the DFG can't carry out simple tasks. But like Jesse said, I can't and don’t expect anyone and especially a Gov agency to hold my hand.
BUT!!!! Dont worry all. I am in the process of applying for the Game Warden Cadet academy with the intent of being a Biologist some day. Rest assured if I can I am going to get in there and kick some ass a straighten there crap out. I care very much about this State and the hunting that it provides. While we are not Colorado or New Mexico the hunting here has been damn good to me. I love it and love to apply every year. It is even more fun now to be here on Jesses and talk and dream of what may or may not be. So everyone sit back and enjoy it. If you did not get in the draw then go buy a calendar and get it done next year so you do not miss out.
Paul
Like speck said WHAT if it wasn't DFG's fault. I got mine in the mail. I also let my buddy know to watch for his the other end of the state. He also received his a couple days later. If he had'nt he would have went and got one.
Saddletender look at the post mark it might teil you something .
Good Hunting Hoghunter
Saddletender look at the post mark it might teil you something .
Good Hunting Hoghunter
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Jeez............a breath of fresh air. An individual who understands and can reason.
pschulthesis............your post gives me hope. Never did I say I wasn't or didn't accept the fact that it was my fault for not staying on top of the draw deadline.
How dense does one have to be to not see?
Red doper diaper babies as Michael Savage says will always find a way to take away hunters rights and gun enthusiatists ability to shoot.
I posted a heads up and most tell me I have no right to say anything. I waited 9 days before I posted on this board. The drawing was on the 2nd. For those of you who shoot before analylizing thats over a full week plus. If I was complaining and not accepting the fact that I missed the deadline, I would have posted this on the 2nd of June.
I am truly glad that most of the Hunters in California never get out of their trucks when they hunt. Sure wouldn't want to get shot for moveing thru the forest like posters here jump to their keyboard before engageing their brain.
I'll think twice before trying to educate people on this Forum.
The lights are on in my neighborhood. How about yours?
Good by.
pschulthesis............your post gives me hope. Never did I say I wasn't or didn't accept the fact that it was my fault for not staying on top of the draw deadline.
How dense does one have to be to not see?
Red doper diaper babies as Michael Savage says will always find a way to take away hunters rights and gun enthusiatists ability to shoot.
I posted a heads up and most tell me I have no right to say anything. I waited 9 days before I posted on this board. The drawing was on the 2nd. For those of you who shoot before analylizing thats over a full week plus. If I was complaining and not accepting the fact that I missed the deadline, I would have posted this on the 2nd of June.
I am truly glad that most of the Hunters in California never get out of their trucks when they hunt. Sure wouldn't want to get shot for moveing thru the forest like posters here jump to their keyboard before engageing their brain.
I'll think twice before trying to educate people on this Forum.
The lights are on in my neighborhood. How about yours?
Good by.
I think you need to turn the lights out for awhile and get a good nights sleep. I really don't see how popping a vein over a couple simple errors (yours and theirs) helps anything. Of all the threats to hunting in California, your little pique is just bush league. This was an innocent glitch - but there are real threats to our sport out there. Let's focus on those. Now, take a breath, exhale slowly, adjust and move on.
BTW, your sputtering invective against the other posters - most of whom probably hunt as well and as hard, if not better and harder, than you do, is hardly constructive. So chill. You're among friends - if you want to be.
BTW, your sputtering invective against the other posters - most of whom probably hunt as well and as hard, if not better and harder, than you do, is hardly constructive. So chill. You're among friends - if you want to be.
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Super Hot...........today the 11th of June 2003.
Nine days after deadline, my applications for California's hunting season arrive.
I and a number (thousands ?) of other people who waited on DFG to mail us our applications missed our State's deadline for applying for this season's big game drawing.
I knew it was getting late so I went online June 2 to see when the deadline was. Lo and behold...........deadline at 5:00pm.
Talk about pissed. I had no time to run down and pick up deer tag / license and enter info into online application's. No Elk application either.
Gee what part did I miss about YOU not being mad and pissed at DFG, but I guess you did not write the above statement DFG did and loged on for you at JHP, because i'm one of the dense one and did not understand what you said and what you ment where teo diffrent things.
If you don't know how the hell would I know what you want to piss and moan about, reread your post.
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IT IS NOT THE DFG FAULT HE DID NOT GET INTO THE DRAWING IT IS HIS FAULT, like I said in a couple post back DFG just started this mailing out the booklets maybe 6-7 years or less, before that WE ALL HAD TO GO FIND A BG HUNTING BOOKLET, then you had to fill out a separate app. back then they where not in the BG booklet, that might have taken a trip to a third license agent because the first one only had your lic. the next one was out of lic. and only had antelope app. and then the forth one had your deer tag because the other 3 where out deer tags.
I really don't want to hear how hard it is to get into the drawing now it's a peice of cake compaired to what it use to be.
Nine days after deadline, my applications for California's hunting season arrive.
I and a number (thousands ?) of other people who waited on DFG to mail us our applications missed our State's deadline for applying for this season's big game drawing.
I knew it was getting late so I went online June 2 to see when the deadline was. Lo and behold...........deadline at 5:00pm.
Talk about pissed. I had no time to run down and pick up deer tag / license and enter info into online application's. No Elk application either.
Gee what part did I miss about YOU not being mad and pissed at DFG, but I guess you did not write the above statement DFG did and loged on for you at JHP, because i'm one of the dense one and did not understand what you said and what you ment where teo diffrent things.
If you don't know how the hell would I know what you want to piss and moan about, reread your post.
pschultheis
IT IS NOT THE DFG FAULT HE DID NOT GET INTO THE DRAWING IT IS HIS FAULT, like I said in a couple post back DFG just started this mailing out the booklets maybe 6-7 years or less, before that WE ALL HAD TO GO FIND A BG HUNTING BOOKLET, then you had to fill out a separate app. back then they where not in the BG booklet, that might have taken a trip to a third license agent because the first one only had your lic. the next one was out of lic. and only had antelope app. and then the forth one had your deer tag because the other 3 where out deer tags.
I really don't want to hear how hard it is to get into the drawing now it's a peice of cake compaired to what it use to be.
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So far NO ONE has posted where the ball was dropped as far as the late big game booklets. Anyone???????
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Does anyone know who dropped the ball for sure? Was it DFG? Did they contact it out as other states do? Did the USPS screw up the mail?
Before I point the finger I'd at least like to make sure it's in the right direction.
Just today I got a manila envelope addressed to the home on the next street over. I wonder if that guy is going to blame the University where it was mailed from for screwing up or will he actually look to see it was delivered to the wrong address by the USPS first.
As Huntducks pointed out, the old way was you had to jump threw a few hoops just to find the big game booklet and the hunting & deer licenses. It usually took me a store or two to get everything but I stayed at it to get in the draw. Same thing with the duck stamps to waterfowl hunt. You get looking until you find someone who has them.
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You can post anything you like, if it's way off base a few here are going to call you on it.
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Does anyone know who dropped the ball for sure? Was it DFG? Did they contact it out as other states do? Did the USPS screw up the mail?
Before I point the finger I'd at least like to make sure it's in the right direction.
Just today I got a manila envelope addressed to the home on the next street over. I wonder if that guy is going to blame the University where it was mailed from for screwing up or will he actually look to see it was delivered to the wrong address by the USPS first.
As Huntducks pointed out, the old way was you had to jump threw a few hoops just to find the big game booklet and the hunting & deer licenses. It usually took me a store or two to get everything but I stayed at it to get in the draw. Same thing with the duck stamps to waterfowl hunt. You get looking until you find someone who has them.
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You can post anything you like, if it's way off base a few here are going to call you on it.
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I may be wrong. But, I assumed that the DFG screwed up when I read the original post. Saddletender said that the receptionist at the DFG said that entire counties had been left off the list. Or something like that. That is what lead me to believe that they had messed up. If this is true, certainly unfortunite.
This thread is really helping pass the time until our results begin to come in.
Paul
This thread is really helping pass the time until our results begin to come in.
Paul
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Why would non-residents apply in California unless they were filming a hunting show or something? Surely not for the hunting quality, opportunity or excellent game and forest management that enhances habitat and herd quality (not!).
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By now, I would think anyone who applies every year would know when to expect them and when you better start looking for them. The date has been pretty consistent for a few years.
But, if you plan to sit and wait for delivery and complain when it doesn't happen in time and that works for you then go for it. Of course that means you should expect some serious disapointments in future years as well. Take a look at the budget situation in CA and then do an honest evaluation as to how much you trust the DFG to get anything done on time or do anything at all.
I'm sorry but, I just have to say, that you need to take some responsibility for not getting your applications in on time. I know I would have been making calls and doing some serious windshield time finding a place to get the booklet if I hadn't received it by mid-May (knowing that the drawing is always close to the 1st of June). If you waited until June 11th to be concerned.......well, what can you possibly expect.
Unfortunately, your situation didn't help my chance for the Grizzly Island bull tag I've been applying for the last close to 10 years. I would have sent you a thank you card if it had.
hunthog
But, if you plan to sit and wait for delivery and complain when it doesn't happen in time and that works for you then go for it. Of course that means you should expect some serious disapointments in future years as well. Take a look at the budget situation in CA and then do an honest evaluation as to how much you trust the DFG to get anything done on time or do anything at all.
I'm sorry but, I just have to say, that you need to take some responsibility for not getting your applications in on time. I know I would have been making calls and doing some serious windshield time finding a place to get the booklet if I hadn't received it by mid-May (knowing that the drawing is always close to the 1st of June). If you waited until June 11th to be concerned.......well, what can you possibly expect.
Unfortunately, your situation didn't help my chance for the Grizzly Island bull tag I've been applying for the last close to 10 years. I would have sent you a thank you card if it had.
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