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when did they do this ? I went for the camp roberts memorial day pig hunt for all 3 days , and was able to pull a pig out each day. The reports then were nearly everyone who went out nalied one.
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Any hunter out there that thinks that nonnative/exotice species deserve to live when they are impacting our native flora/fauna is absolutley ignorant in the basic concepts of ecology and biodiversity. When these nonnative/exotics (both plants and animals) begin to change the ecology of an area and cause the loss of biodiversity of a given area we should engage in a reduction/removal program for the nonnative/exotic species.
I am a guide for wild pigs and have been so for 7 years. If the CDFG said they want to begin an eradication program for pigs statewide I would support it totally. Why you may ask would I support it, well my Master's Degree in Wildlife Biology has taught me that some basic principles of wildlife managemant.
By the way it is called purple amole (Chlorogalum purpureum var. purpureum) and it is not a weed, it is a California native. A weed is something that is not supposed to be growing where it is growing. This Randall S. has mistakenly called this a weed, when in fact it is not a weed, unlke the majority of other plants growing in the areas where we hunt, which are nonnative/exotics. I enjoy hunting more than the next guy, but I also enjoy finding and seeing interesting plants and other wildlife when I am out hunting. This topic also relates to the Channel Islands pig removal program. Should they do it there, darn right they should. Should hunters get more than the one season (last spring) to kill pigs out there, definitely. Should they then fly over the island with 50 cal machine guns and gun the pig down, hell yes.
update.
The hog hunitng at camp roberts is all but dead. It seems the marauding masticators took to eating the
purple imole that is fedrally protected. Instead of opening the pigs up for hunting...the federal trapper
killed about 100 of the oinkers...nearly eliminating the entire population....for a freakin weed !!!!! go
figure.....better luck at other places.
I am a guide for wild pigs and have been so for 7 years. If the CDFG said they want to begin an eradication program for pigs statewide I would support it totally. Why you may ask would I support it, well my Master's Degree in Wildlife Biology has taught me that some basic principles of wildlife managemant.
By the way it is called purple amole (Chlorogalum purpureum var. purpureum) and it is not a weed, it is a California native. A weed is something that is not supposed to be growing where it is growing. This Randall S. has mistakenly called this a weed, when in fact it is not a weed, unlke the majority of other plants growing in the areas where we hunt, which are nonnative/exotics. I enjoy hunting more than the next guy, but I also enjoy finding and seeing interesting plants and other wildlife when I am out hunting. This topic also relates to the Channel Islands pig removal program. Should they do it there, darn right they should. Should hunters get more than the one season (last spring) to kill pigs out there, definitely. Should they then fly over the island with 50 cal machine guns and gun the pig down, hell yes.
update.
The hog hunitng at camp roberts is all but dead. It seems the marauding masticators took to eating the
purple imole that is fedrally protected. Instead of opening the pigs up for hunting...the federal trapper
killed about 100 of the oinkers...nearly eliminating the entire population....for a freakin weed !!!!! go
figure.....better luck at other places.
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RIFLEMAN,
Sorry I didn't catch the Catalina debate.
I wanted to add this to the second post also. From my time spent guiding over the last 7 years I have noticed an interesting thing. All the ranches we hunt are probably considered prime pig habitat and thus the population reflects it (lots of pigs). But in my tenure as a guide I have noticed that these ranches that once had phenomenal deer hunting (back in the 50's-80's), now have very poor deer hunting. Compare this to other areas where I hunt deer on public land, which is relatively near where I guide, there are no pigs. The last couple of weekends of hunting deer in these areas I have seen 19 and 25 deer, respectively. One weekend we saw three legal bucks and decided to take one of them. In the pig country where we hunt you'd be lucky to see 25 deer in a solid week of hunting. I'm not directly saying pigs are to blame, but it would make a great thesis or research project. FYI.
Sorry I didn't catch the Catalina debate.
I wanted to add this to the second post also. From my time spent guiding over the last 7 years I have noticed an interesting thing. All the ranches we hunt are probably considered prime pig habitat and thus the population reflects it (lots of pigs). But in my tenure as a guide I have noticed that these ranches that once had phenomenal deer hunting (back in the 50's-80's), now have very poor deer hunting. Compare this to other areas where I hunt deer on public land, which is relatively near where I guide, there are no pigs. The last couple of weekends of hunting deer in these areas I have seen 19 and 25 deer, respectively. One weekend we saw three legal bucks and decided to take one of them. In the pig country where we hunt you'd be lucky to see 25 deer in a solid week of hunting. I'm not directly saying pigs are to blame, but it would make a great thesis or research project. FYI.
I'll be the voice of opposition here. If we got rid of everything that wasn't native (which in and of itself is very hard to define), we'd loose a lot of good things - pheasants, chukar, pigs, hungarian partridge, largemouth bass in some areas and brown trout everywhere in the US to name a few.
We'd even loose one of the most recognized symbols of the American West - the tumbleweed... it came from Russia a few hundred years ago.
We'd even loose one of the most recognized symbols of the American West - the tumbleweed... it came from Russia a few hundred years ago.
PS - one more observation - this is just an opinion and totally unscientific so take it with a grain of salt but... I'd venture to say that the deer herd has been more impacted by the fact that we won't let anything burn in CA much more than fighting for habitat with pigs. If we'd let things burn, there would be a lot more habitat to go around.
Well, I gotta add my 2 cents here....
Some will take the 'exotic species' thing to extremes.... Afterall, all Non-Native-Americans (myself included) can be considered 'exotic' species, but I hope Fish and Game will not plan on exterminating us... (just kidding). However, isn't 'extinction' a natural phenomena? I am not suggesting that we let the purple weed (oops... I mean purple amole) go extinct, but to EXTERMINATE other GOOD resources* (your definition of resources may vary!), close off thousands of acres, etc, is a bit too much, in my opinion.
I know I'm not being P.C., but I MUCH prefer the hunting, and the flavor of wild pigs to purple weed (oops... I mean purple amole).
Again, just kidding.... well, kind of. I remember when they closed down area 25 of FHL (one of the my favorite areas for pig) for months, and months, and months to 'save' the purple weed (darnit!!! I mean purple amole). This was to prevent 'humans' and 'vehicles' from destroying the purple amole. They also HALTED ALL TRAINING IN THAT AREA !!!! So even the military could not use it.... Eventually, I was told (by a guy in the environmental office of FHL) that the resident population of the wildlife (deer/pig/elk) were causing havoc on the plant... (eating it, rooting, stomping on it, etc), so they decided to re-open the area to hunting.
Some will take the 'exotic species' thing to extremes.... Afterall, all Non-Native-Americans (myself included) can be considered 'exotic' species, but I hope Fish and Game will not plan on exterminating us... (just kidding). However, isn't 'extinction' a natural phenomena? I am not suggesting that we let the purple weed (oops... I mean purple amole) go extinct, but to EXTERMINATE other GOOD resources* (your definition of resources may vary!), close off thousands of acres, etc, is a bit too much, in my opinion.
I know I'm not being P.C., but I MUCH prefer the hunting, and the flavor of wild pigs to purple weed (oops... I mean purple amole).
Again, just kidding.... well, kind of. I remember when they closed down area 25 of FHL (one of the my favorite areas for pig) for months, and months, and months to 'save' the purple weed (darnit!!! I mean purple amole). This was to prevent 'humans' and 'vehicles' from destroying the purple amole. They also HALTED ALL TRAINING IN THAT AREA !!!! So even the military could not use it.... Eventually, I was told (by a guy in the environmental office of FHL) that the resident population of the wildlife (deer/pig/elk) were causing havoc on the plant... (eating it, rooting, stomping on it, etc), so they decided to re-open the area to hunting.
The one that we face down here in SoCal almost daily is the infamous Arroyo Toad. There are literally tens of thousands of acres closed off (some to vehicle traffic some to all traffic) due to this endangered toad.
It does beg the question... if there are so few of these toads left... why do they need tens of thousands of acres from LA to Ventura and up into Kern and SLO counties closed? If they have that wide of a range, it's hard to believe that they're endangered.
A friend of a friend is looking to develop a small piece of commercial property in the middle of Santa Clarita near the Santa Clara River wash. Unfortunately, this somehow has been deemed "potential habitat" for the toad and they're running into all kinds of grief over trying to develop the property. It's only about 2 acres and surrounded by auto dealerships... hardly a place for a toad anyway.
It does beg the question... if there are so few of these toads left... why do they need tens of thousands of acres from LA to Ventura and up into Kern and SLO counties closed? If they have that wide of a range, it's hard to believe that they're endangered.
A friend of a friend is looking to develop a small piece of commercial property in the middle of Santa Clarita near the Santa Clara River wash. Unfortunately, this somehow has been deemed "potential habitat" for the toad and they're running into all kinds of grief over trying to develop the property. It's only about 2 acres and surrounded by auto dealerships... hardly a place for a toad anyway.
My friend(s).... You need not look far to see A LOT of this going on around us.....
I'll give you a couple of more.....
Lets take Los Padres National forest, for example....
1. The Condor Sanctuary .... Thousands of acres of the forest, which also happens to be one of the closest access points from Ventura / L.A. counties, is closed to hunting/camping/human activities. There is also talk of banning all hunting altogether in the 'surrounding' areas (outside of the sanctuary), due to possible lead poisoning of the condors.....
2. One of my favorites dirt roads (and one of the very few) for camping / shooting / hiking, and one that gave access to 14+ miles into the forest (a single dirt road, not a webb of roads....) is now closed 11.95 out of 12 months..... Half of the year it is because of 'high fire danger'..... The other half is because the small creek crossing 40 miles north of the ocean(bone dry most years, in wet years, you will have a creek about 5 or so feet wide, and about 2 inches deep) magically becomes 'steelhead' habitat. These fish somehow swim 40+ miles on a bone dry creek bed to spawn right next to the road... Of course, it did not occur to them to use some of the 'Adventure Pass' funds to put a steel plate 10 feet wide, and maybe 10 feet long over the 'creek' to make for a makeshift bridge to 'protect' the fish.... Instead, they chose to close / decomission 14+ miles of forest routes....
3. How about the Mojave desert preserve..... Ah... DON'T GET ME STARTED !!!
I'll give you a couple of more.....
Lets take Los Padres National forest, for example....
1. The Condor Sanctuary .... Thousands of acres of the forest, which also happens to be one of the closest access points from Ventura / L.A. counties, is closed to hunting/camping/human activities. There is also talk of banning all hunting altogether in the 'surrounding' areas (outside of the sanctuary), due to possible lead poisoning of the condors.....
2. One of my favorites dirt roads (and one of the very few) for camping / shooting / hiking, and one that gave access to 14+ miles into the forest (a single dirt road, not a webb of roads....) is now closed 11.95 out of 12 months..... Half of the year it is because of 'high fire danger'..... The other half is because the small creek crossing 40 miles north of the ocean(bone dry most years, in wet years, you will have a creek about 5 or so feet wide, and about 2 inches deep) magically becomes 'steelhead' habitat. These fish somehow swim 40+ miles on a bone dry creek bed to spawn right next to the road... Of course, it did not occur to them to use some of the 'Adventure Pass' funds to put a steel plate 10 feet wide, and maybe 10 feet long over the 'creek' to make for a makeshift bridge to 'protect' the fish.... Instead, they chose to close / decomission 14+ miles of forest routes....
3. How about the Mojave desert preserve..... Ah... DON'T GET ME STARTED !!!
Thanks for the welcome Bishop.
I used to hover / post here a loooong while back.... When it got started, especially when the CHF (inside the web) service was discontinued...
However, I am apparently suffering from Amnesia, as I can not recall my user name OR password (and I have changed email/ISP servers a dozen times). Thus I re-registered...
As for the land use, and access issues, we have a LOT to deal with.... Between the Enviro-Nazies (or is it Nutsies?), and some private land owners (those that post illegal signs, and claim that public access roads to be private/theirs) we have our work cut out....
I am also a fisherman and a SCUBA diver, and as it appears, the same 'stuff' is happening to the oceans.... The latest of which has to do with beach access in Malibu. Apparently, some of the 'elite' property owners are suing the California Coastal Commission, and the Access For All non-profit organization, saying that having to provide coastal access to the general public is 'unconstitutional'.....
It sure seems that everyone but the outdoorsmen (hunters, fisherman, etc) are entitled to some constitutional rights..... Go figure....
I used to hover / post here a loooong while back.... When it got started, especially when the CHF (inside the web) service was discontinued...
However, I am apparently suffering from Amnesia, as I can not recall my user name OR password (and I have changed email/ISP servers a dozen times). Thus I re-registered...
As for the land use, and access issues, we have a LOT to deal with.... Between the Enviro-Nazies (or is it Nutsies?), and some private land owners (those that post illegal signs, and claim that public access roads to be private/theirs) we have our work cut out....
I am also a fisherman and a SCUBA diver, and as it appears, the same 'stuff' is happening to the oceans.... The latest of which has to do with beach access in Malibu. Apparently, some of the 'elite' property owners are suing the California Coastal Commission, and the Access For All non-profit organization, saying that having to provide coastal access to the general public is 'unconstitutional'.....
It sure seems that everyone but the outdoorsmen (hunters, fisherman, etc) are entitled to some constitutional rights..... Go figure....
I remember how long 25 was closed. Due to this purple stink flower. So when I go in 25 which I did 2 weeks ago. I helped out I made sure to fertilize it. Actually I see it growing all over the place in many t/a's there. I don't see that it is a problem. The strong survive right? If We wer'ent here they would eat it anyways right? The problem to Me is kalifornia. Thinking of moving to canada less liberal there & better hunting. Seems this way anymore. wavesfr
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Are the endangered species only where it's free to hunt? Everywhere you have to pay $500+ for hogs and $2000+ for deer there's never an endangered flower or frog or owl. The ranchers and land owners complain about hogs doing damage but it still cost you to hunt.
