DFG is investigating reports that hogs have been released into San Die

[MJB]

There's no 'Hogzilla' here (yet), but DFG is investigating reports that hogs have been released into San Diego wild
I hate the thought of a State Park loaded with big cats, big mature bucks, and soon wild pigs. Too bad we will never be able to hunt them on state land.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/outdo...1s2gotpigs.html

Sounds like the DFG will wait and see, if the pigs get going.

One Track, now you have your location to start searching for those pigs in our back yard......don't kill them all

 

[billrob]

Lets hope they get off to a running start and have a successful population explosion.

At least the Native Americans have soverign territory. It's nice to know somebody on this continent does.

 

[Rancho Loco]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (billrob @ Jun 17 2007, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Lets hope they get off to a running start and have a successful population explosion.[/b]

Count me out of that line of thought.
Even though they're fun to hunt, wild pigs are destructive little monsters who eat anything they can get down their throats, and tear up everything in sight.

Cal DFG needs to throw the book at anyone transporting and planting wild pigs.

 

[billrob]

I agree with you on the transplant and destructive part of it.
They'll probably even slow down that SD turkey population explosion alittle too!
But these were planted on Soverign soil. Nothing they can do about that.
You know once they get established trying to wipe them out will be like trying to get toothpaste back in the tube.
All the more reason to hunt them once they're established.
The perfect storm would be a semi overturning in that area with the escape of ripe 250lb'rs ready for market.

This seems like deja vu.

Did we all have this SD Pig release discussion a Month or two ago?

 

[Rancho Loco]

Hey, why don't you plant some Northern Pike in those SD lakes..

 

[One Track]

I sure would like to help the DFG with the situation. Good time to have friends on the res.

 

[dirtpoor]

Northern pike Hmmmm.... I'll have to look into that as soon as I get rid of this load of zebra mussell's ! Actually all kidding aside northern pike are a viable source as a fishery, they're self sustaining and can live in water that trout cannot plus they grow rapidly and will hit any lure presented. Planted in lakes that are landlocked or flow to the ocean might not be a bad idea. Forget the indiginous species thing , if that prevailed we humans would all live somewhere else ! Gosh, let me take this further , I think that maybe the pigs rights have been violated, where is the ACLFP (american civil liberties for pigs ) when you need them. One animal species takes over when another slacks off such as buzzards replacing condors and black bears replaceing grizzly's, its the natural order of things ! You know us "hunters " must have something to catch or kill, I have friends on the rez and if they released pigs I hope they were russian strain. Think about it , casino/golf/pig hunting, I may move to the rez , course I'll need an indian name, I'll have to think of one that hasn't been suggested for deedys pig, maybe, he who talks out of both sides of mouth or as my wife calls me *&#* head, nah I'll let Rancho decide lol

 

[greg vs]

As a wildlife bio, I couldn't agree more with Rancho!!

Everybody complains about Endangered Species causing impacts and closings but most listings indicate competition with ALIEN species is second only to habitat loss in causing species decline (and pigs are completely alien to North America)==Please look up ANY endangered species listing in the Federal Register and see the analysis BEFORE you start flaming me!!!

Hunting pigs doesn't even slow them down. They DO compete with deer and turkeys for oak mast and other food and will eat fawns and chicks==a poult if they can catch them. Look at the studies performed in parks near San Francisco==I think Dr. Reg Barrett wrote the article=== That man has forgotten more about pigs than any of us will ever know.

ps Black bears in SoCal are not native but were introduced in 1934-35==therefore, they are an ALIEN species anywhere south of the Sierras.

(Rant off!!)

 

[dw33]

Hunting pigs doesn't affect their population because it is regulated with tags and landowners wanting to cash in by charging fees to hunters. Let people have access, consider them as you would a coyote, abolish the tag requirement and let's see how the pig population fares.

 

[BeachBowHunter]

Jesse (OZstriker) had heard about this several months ago. He was talking to a couple of guys from the reservation who were buying ammo at the same time he was buying tags to go to Choppers. They told pretty much the same story but that they were already hunting them and it was unlikely that many got away.

 

[Rancho Loco]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dw33 @ Jun 19 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hunting pigs doesn't affect their population because it is regulated with tags and landowners wanting to cash in by charging fees to hunters. Let people have access, consider them as you would a coyote, abolish the tag requirement and let's see how the pig population fares.[/b]

I don't mind the tag fees - hell - the DFG needs all the scratch they can get in this state. What I would like to see is impacted state land open to regulated pig hunts, and night hunting allowed outside of other big game seasons.

 

[upper]

Hey Rancho,I'm starting to fall way behind in the name contest.I'm with ya all the way on this one.Bet you in 5 years it will be illegal to have high fence operations without bloodwork.Some rough areas will have trappers,a big back peddel.I am not saying I agree,but as soon as something on the line of CWD gets going it will be changed in a hurry.DFG has alot of authority until it comes to public health.What ever they may find 5 years from now will probably be no different than what is out there now.I am aware of the feeling of taking a wild hog and will hate to see that decline"if it does",there are alot of hunters that deserve that.All my mumbo-jumbo being said it is a tough deal to some ,to others good deal.Good luck and get all you can.Upper

 

[pbrdog]

I'm not sure if any of the money spent on pig tags or any tags or license at all actually goes back to DFG. Seems it goes everywhere but.

 

[w8_liftr]

Tag fees go back into a fund to promote more opportunities for pig hunting. Some also goes into land management projects. The fee increases are due to our elected officials seeing the discrepencies between fees for other animals and pigs. They thought it best to bring them up to level.

Tags and fees are not DFG's doing. The early days of tags were the result of legislation written by small land owners wanting to hire Gov. Dep. hunters and this was a way to pay for it. FG didn't go for that, but if there were going to be fees, then put the $ back into the system to help the people that buy the tags.

 

[Speckmisser]

CA State law mandates that money raised from hunting licenses and fees is designated ONLY for the Fish and Game Commission and DFG use. It cannot, by law, be used for other purposes such as the General Fund.

This is not to say there hasn't been some pilfering, and the pig tag funds have been a target of opportunists in our State Government. But in general, the money raised by pig tags goes back where it belongs.

As far as the pigs on the res, as long as they stay on the res, DFG has no say or influence... with the possible exception of intercepting the animals in transit on CA or Federal property. The res is sovereign land...just like another country.

By the way, a lot of states (CO, KS, MI, etc.) are passing or have already passed laws prohibiting anyone from making money off of feral hogs. This means no guided hunts, no tresspass fees, and no special hog-hunting leases. (It does not generally apply to high-fence ranches which import pure-strain european hogs.)

Too late for anything like that in CA, I'm afraid, but I think it's a good practice that will enable more sportsmen to have a hand in eradicating hogs from habitat where they simply don't belong. It will also put a stop to "hunters" releasing hogs outside of high-fence ranches in order to establish huntable populations.

 

[dw33]

Technically, reservations are not countries onto themselves because they a governed by federal law, (if a murder occurs, law enforcement will investigate, they don't leave it up to tribal police), and it looks like unions are going to be in the casinos according to a recent court decision.

 

[dw33]

"By the way, a lot of states (CO, KS, MI, etc.) are passing or have already passed laws prohibiting anyone from making money off of feral hogs. This means no guided hunts, no tresspass fees, and no special hog-hunting leases."

This makes perfect sense.

 

[billrob]

dirt,
maybe walleyes? and definitely some of those chinese (flying) carp that'll slow down those those pesky jet skiers.

 

[dirtpoor]

FLYING CARP....Hmmm, never heard of them Bill, the only flying carp I've ever seen was when I yanked too hard on my fishing line !
Greg vs, can't flame anybody for intelligent conversation, regarding black bear's in so cal, It's my understanding that they are migrating here naturally taking over the old grizzly area's. I couldn't disagree more with you about native specie's, Man has so altered the naturel order of nature that in my opinion the old school thinking doesn't apply anymore in many case's. No question about the pig's being destructive but our deer herds are rapidly declining and our PC attitudes are decimating hunting as we know it.The federal govt can't regulate big game seasons on their/our land because the big game belongs to the state yet we allow the vast majority of private land to lock out fish and game unless there's a violation to be investigated allowing private enterprise to regulate our deer/pig herd's. Spec posted about how the funds stay in the fish and wildlife program to "ENHANCE" pig hunting, where's the enhancement ? tell me one thing they've done to improve pig hunting for the average hunter ? I don't want to hear about how much they need the money for other program's it's just another tax, someone posted that they didn't mind helping F/G out with the added fees great , I do , mismanaged money will never become managed properly if there is a neverending supply of new TAX money ! explain to me the logic of 5 pig tags for$9.00 becoming 1 pig tag for $17 + , notice they tested the water with a small increase and then when there was no outcry they cut the amount of tags and doubled the price,you can spin it any way you want to but we're being screwed as usual. The rational that I'm hearing is well I only pig hunt once a year so I don't mind paying a little more for a tag, I do , Ipig hunt 8 to 10 times a year and I've already gave the state something like $200 for hunting/big game and fishing fees not counting registration on my boat/truck/atv/etc and $30 for a G*&^&darn adventure pass so that I can park my truck on our own property (federal land ) Where doe's it end ? when do free men take a stand ? We need a Howard Jarvis (prop 13 ) to fight for our hunting right's! Move aside Gregvs and let the flaming begin !!

 

[MJB]

If the Tags cost so much go ''Lifetime License'' and you can get 5 tags every year along with your first deer tag.

Back to the subject......I have an employe that has family on the Res. and I will have second hand info on the pigs after this weekend. Sounds like they are behind several fences and a few deep canyons so escaping pigs sounds far fetched for now.