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it looks fake but i dont know
It's clearly a faked photo because the rifle has no bolt, you can see into the empty chamber. They were probably given permission to do this in one of the many game parks which have tame elephants as long as the bolt of the rifle was removed.
I rather doubt anyone would be in a situation like this with his rifles bolt forgotten back at the camp! It's actually kind of embarrasing that a company like Dakota would use such a photo. Makes me wonder about the rest of the companies ethics on gun building.
The rifle is a poor design anyway for DG why such high scope mounts? is this hunters cheek even touching the stock? the butt of the rifle apears to be on his chest not his shoulder. Over all a sad attempt at a Hoax!
I rather doubt anyone would be in a situation like this with his rifles bolt forgotten back at the camp! It's actually kind of embarrasing that a company like Dakota would use such a photo. Makes me wonder about the rest of the companies ethics on gun building.
The rifle is a poor design anyway for DG why such high scope mounts? is this hunters cheek even touching the stock? the butt of the rifle apears to be on his chest not his shoulder. Over all a sad attempt at a Hoax!
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JJ ,
missed the lack of a bolt !! just for our info say it was at 20 yds which wrinkle do you hit to take out the brain and live to see tomorrow ?
my guess is where the wrinkles make an indentation on the trunk almost at eye level or is this to high as the angle is steep ?
----- herb
missed the lack of a bolt !! just for our info say it was at 20 yds which wrinkle do you hit to take out the brain and live to see tomorrow ?
my guess is where the wrinkles make an indentation on the trunk almost at eye level or is this to high as the angle is steep ?
----- herb
Frontal brain shots are difficult because the size of an elephants brain is small compared to the size of it's head. There is a bulge in the skull right above the eyes on both sides. The bottom of the brain is even with these two features of the skull.
The difficult part is that a human being is never going to look at them evenly. Elephants are much taller, so we humans must look up at this aim point. Because of this we always tend to aim at this point which will cause the bullet to shoot above it once it enters the skin. The trick is to aim under it so that the bullet will actually pass through the brain not over it.
It's much like the quartering away shot on any other big game. The proper way to aim is by trying to hit the opposite shoulder, not aiming right behind the one you are looking at. By trying to shoot behind the one you're looking at the bullet will hit way to far forward and exit the neck muscles. By trying to aim so the bullets path will break the opposite shoulder you will take out all the lungs, and exit breaking the leg bones or coming out the hide of the opposite side.
The frontal head shot, is not a good shot for elephant, a broadside head shot or Heart lung shot is way better. In this situation a big bore rifle shot to the head even missing the brain will likely KO the elephant for a moment allowing another shot. If the back legs give out first when hit, it's usually a solid brain hit. If the front legs give out first he is usually knocked cold and will be big trouble in a few seconds time. I have not seen enough elephants killed to know this first hand. However in school I really payed close attention to the dangerous game instruction. Much like the folks learning to work with high voltage in school would pay close attention to that part of the education! It's important to shoot lots of bullets into an elephant. They are difficult to track and don't bleed much from head shots.
I have been on site and seen first hand lots of the bigger animals in the world killed. Like most other animals which are less dangerous every shot seems to have a little different effect on the animals. Some react different then others. There is no math formula that will come true every time when dealing with living things having various levels of adrenilin and a different will to live, or get even.
The difficult part is that a human being is never going to look at them evenly. Elephants are much taller, so we humans must look up at this aim point. Because of this we always tend to aim at this point which will cause the bullet to shoot above it once it enters the skin. The trick is to aim under it so that the bullet will actually pass through the brain not over it.
It's much like the quartering away shot on any other big game. The proper way to aim is by trying to hit the opposite shoulder, not aiming right behind the one you are looking at. By trying to shoot behind the one you're looking at the bullet will hit way to far forward and exit the neck muscles. By trying to aim so the bullets path will break the opposite shoulder you will take out all the lungs, and exit breaking the leg bones or coming out the hide of the opposite side.
The frontal head shot, is not a good shot for elephant, a broadside head shot or Heart lung shot is way better. In this situation a big bore rifle shot to the head even missing the brain will likely KO the elephant for a moment allowing another shot. If the back legs give out first when hit, it's usually a solid brain hit. If the front legs give out first he is usually knocked cold and will be big trouble in a few seconds time. I have not seen enough elephants killed to know this first hand. However in school I really payed close attention to the dangerous game instruction. Much like the folks learning to work with high voltage in school would pay close attention to that part of the education! It's important to shoot lots of bullets into an elephant. They are difficult to track and don't bleed much from head shots.
I have been on site and seen first hand lots of the bigger animals in the world killed. Like most other animals which are less dangerous every shot seems to have a little different effect on the animals. Some react different then others. There is no math formula that will come true every time when dealing with living things having various levels of adrenilin and a different will to live, or get even.
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Hey JJ,
Not that I'm buying the authenticity of the photo, but the bolt is in the rifle. Just to be sure, I pulled the image out and did a little magnification to verify (I'm really bored at work today). Sure enough, the bolt is there. You can also see the end of the bolt assembly under the fella's cheekbone. I can post the magnification later, if you wanna see. I can't post it from this computer.
While I'm constantly amazed at the stupidity of people, I believe the photographer's self-preservation instinct would have made a real version of such a photo quite impossible (hard to take a clear photo by pointing the camera back over your shoulder as you run for your life). So even if the shooter were really in position, which would also take cojones of steel and a brain made of a softer metal... I doubt that the photo is of a real showdown.
Not that I'm buying the authenticity of the photo, but the bolt is in the rifle. Just to be sure, I pulled the image out and did a little magnification to verify (I'm really bored at work today). Sure enough, the bolt is there. You can also see the end of the bolt assembly under the fella's cheekbone. I can post the magnification later, if you wanna see. I can't post it from this computer.
While I'm constantly amazed at the stupidity of people, I believe the photographer's self-preservation instinct would have made a real version of such a photo quite impossible (hard to take a clear photo by pointing the camera back over your shoulder as you run for your life). So even if the shooter were really in position, which would also take cojones of steel and a brain made of a softer metal... I doubt that the photo is of a real showdown.
I just pulled the photo myself and enlarged it to 300% it's getting blurry at 250% and at 300% it's real blurry but I can print it and have a very clear picture at that size. The notch in the stock is there where the bolt handle would fit into the stock when closed but there is definately no bolt handle visible in my 300% enlarged photo. The rims of his glasses might look like a bolt handle sticking up? I cannot see any part of a bolt handle in the stock notch or the ball of the bolt handle below the notch of that rifle. My enlarged photo also leaves me with the impression that the chamber is open as it's bright and hollow in appearance. I still say from what I see that there is no bolt in that rifle. Just the way I see the enlarged picture on my monitor and with my color printer.
I even went so far as to look at my rifles with the bolts in to see what it should look like from that angle. At a minimum you would see a bulge of the bolt handle or the bolt itself. In this photo there is nothing there I can see? Maybe it's there but the handle broke off? Maybe I need a better monitor?
I even went so far as to look at my rifles with the bolts in to see what it should look like from that angle. At a minimum you would see a bulge of the bolt handle or the bolt itself. In this photo there is nothing there I can see? Maybe it's there but the handle broke off? Maybe I need a better monitor?
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JJ,
Hope you know I got nothing to prove or disprove here, and it's certainly not a personal thing. I'm just really bored today, and kinda sure I am seeing correctly. Just enjoying some friendly banter.
The bolt is the flat model, I can't remember which gunmakers use it off hand. The real clincher for me is that you can see the end of the bolt assembly there (at the second arrow, close to his face). If the bolt were removed, there should be an opening there instead. Otherwise, I'd think that what I am taking for a bolt handle is actually a shadowed notch.
At any rate, your other observations are pretty sharp. The angle of the rifle coming from the "hunter" seems way off, and a little undersized. Camera perspective might be to blame, but I think it's definitely fishy. At best, a posed image with a "tame" elephant. But I think there's some superimposition going on.
Anyway, I gotta get on with the evening now.
Hope you know I got nothing to prove or disprove here, and it's certainly not a personal thing. I'm just really bored today, and kinda sure I am seeing correctly. Just enjoying some friendly banter.
The bolt is the flat model, I can't remember which gunmakers use it off hand. The real clincher for me is that you can see the end of the bolt assembly there (at the second arrow, close to his face). If the bolt were removed, there should be an opening there instead. Otherwise, I'd think that what I am taking for a bolt handle is actually a shadowed notch.
At any rate, your other observations are pretty sharp. The angle of the rifle coming from the "hunter" seems way off, and a little undersized. Camera perspective might be to blame, but I think it's definitely fishy. At best, a posed image with a "tame" elephant. But I think there's some superimposition going on.
Anyway, I gotta get on with the evening now.
I agree 100% there is something going on in the back of the reciever that is not easliy explained with the photo. I still however don't see a bolt handle. The right arrow pointing to the notch in the stock where the bolt handle should be is not a bolt handle in my opinion. Where is the lever and the "ball" on the end of it? Look at your bolt rifles the lever is easily visible when closed. Maybe it's been cut off or broken off? Why else would it be missing? Strange photo for sure!
One other thing and I'm not a photographer to be able to explain this. If this was real the photographer was likely some distance away, not standing right behind the guy. If he was right behind the guy how is it they are both so clearly in focus? I would think the man would be way out of focus if the elephant was in focus? At a further distance I might be able to accept that both would be in focus if they were very close together which seems to be the case. I guess there are plenty of specail lenses and photographic skills I don't know or understand.
One other thing and I'm not a photographer to be able to explain this. If this was real the photographer was likely some distance away, not standing right behind the guy. If he was right behind the guy how is it they are both so clearly in focus? I would think the man would be way out of focus if the elephant was in focus? At a further distance I might be able to accept that both would be in focus if they were very close together which seems to be the case. I guess there are plenty of specail lenses and photographic skills I don't know or understand.
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OK Conspiracy Theorists!
It is not a real photo, there is not a bolt in the rifle that I can see, he is not aiming at the elephant's forehead, more like it's left ear, and too low for such a close shot. And I doubt he can even see through the scope, the position of his head is too deliberate.
Must be superimposed, but I'd like to be proven wrong, or else he is aiming at a shoulder mount. Why is the photographer crowding the shooter, where is the rest of the elephant?
The cognoscenti might also note that in a real charge usually the elephant's ears are pinned back and the head held high
Cheers
Pete Millan
It is not a real photo, there is not a bolt in the rifle that I can see, he is not aiming at the elephant's forehead, more like it's left ear, and too low for such a close shot. And I doubt he can even see through the scope, the position of his head is too deliberate.
Must be superimposed, but I'd like to be proven wrong, or else he is aiming at a shoulder mount. Why is the photographer crowding the shooter, where is the rest of the elephant?
The cognoscenti might also note that in a real charge usually the elephant's ears are pinned back and the head held high
Cheers
Pete Millan
What exactly would you think he would see through the scope at that range? Even if it were a 2x, I doubt if he would be able to make much sense of where to place the shot as he would have no reference point but a bunch of wrinkled skin and not a profile or shape. Just my guess, but what does it matter? Just a funny pic. I doubt if it was intended to be anything more.
Jim, it is good to see you here , I just recently found this great forum. I ended up with a very nice Bear skull Trophy with a little help from your article in the magazines you gave me. Tami hates it though. She dosent like me putting it on her end table.
Jim, it is good to see you here , I just recently found this great forum. I ended up with a very nice Bear skull Trophy with a little help from your article in the magazines you gave me. Tami hates it though. She dosent like me putting it on her end table.
P.S. I have never been to Africa, never looked through a scope at an Elephant close range. Just speculation. However........if J.J. says it is fake.. he is a man who would know, certainly not a wanta-be like most of us here.
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