FHL TA29 & TA30 Special Weapons Area.

[GreekGuns]

Hey, fellas! long time lurker around here...

I have a question that I cannot seem to get a straight answer on: Can I use my 6" barrel revolver as a primary weapon in any zone at FHL? To quote their site:

"4.1. Handguns may be used per state regulations, but must have barrels 6” (six inches) or longer and be .38 caliber or larger (.243 or larger in rifle caliber used for handguns). Handguns in a vehicle must be in a locked container and unloaded (chamber and magazine)."

So, if I am carrying a shotgun in 29 or 30, can I have my handgun on me as backup? If I shoot a hog with it, will I be violating any rules/regs?

I guess that is more than one question, but I would appreciate any input anyone may have; and it would be great if this question gets asked at your meeting.

Thanks!

 

[bhrhunts]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (easymoney @ Feb 4 2007, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Personally, I would like to see at least one area (29 or 30 would be good) set aside for bow only...
Last year they opened up 29 to all comers during the archery season opener and it was down right dangerous...[/b]

Hi Easymoney, I thought I'd let you know that they are thinking about you guys, Environment Inc ( the contract company that runs the hunting program at FHL) is really pushing to open some river areas ( i think ones that are currently closed) for archery only. That would probably make your hunts a little sweeter, yes? I'll mention your concerns as well.

 

[ditto231]

Just got an email back from Nancy at FHL.


After reviewing our current regulations, in-line muzzleloaders are currently allowed. If you have any further concerns, please feel free to contact me.



Nancy Spencer Morris
Wildlife Biologist
Fort Hunter Liggett
831-386-2677

 

[CaliJeephuntr]

Well. Finally she corrected herself. She shouldn't have made that statement in the first place. But atleast it's cleared now.

 

[grkhunter]

Hey GreekGuns...

First off, welcome aboard...

Second, handguns can only be used in Training Areas that allow Rifles either as a sidearm or primary.

Hope this helps.

 

[larrysogla]

No rimfire pistols are allowed anywhere in FHL. Rimfire rifles for rabbits(when in season) and tree squirrels(NOT ground squirrels) only. Centerfire pistols of minimum 6" barrel length of minimum .38 caliber (or .243 caliber in rifle ammunition fired in a pistol)are allowed in centerfire rifle areas ONLY. No possesion of airgun or spring powered guns are allowed inside the base. Just read the FHL info in here when you click the search function. 'Nuff said.

 

[evlu]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ditto231 @ Feb 7 2007, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Just got an email back from Nancy at FHL.


After reviewing our current regulations, in-line muzzleloaders are currently allowed. If you have any further concerns, please feel free to contact me.



Nancy Spencer Morris
Wildlife Biologist
Fort Hunter Liggett
831-386-2677[/b]

Do they allow scopes on them? (inlines)
Thanks, evlu

 

[bhrhunts]

Well after 2 days of meetings, I guess you guys already know the answer about in-line muzzle loaders (yes), and yes you can have scopes on them. There was one more question I think that was up in the air and that was the use of a back-up fire arm.
Back up firearms are allowed, however you can not take a back-up centerfire pistol/handgun as a secondary back-up weapon into a primitive area specifically Training Areas 29 & 30, or TA 3 (archery only). You could take a back-up weapon (Neil San Diego) as long as it was a black powder of .38 caliber or better, barrel minimum 6". However, Fish and Game regulations only allow black powder rifles for the take of big game. So that rules out a blackpowder pistol as a method of take for big game. As a "back-up" weapon, I do not believe that a black powder .38 caliber pistol is going to do much, but that is just my opinion. However, it would only be a legal method of take for small game. Yes, you can take a back-up shotgun or black powder rifle into TA's 29 and 30
Knives are allowed, but are not a legal method of take.
Yes, a double barrel blackpowder shotgun would be a legal method of take as long as it is .40 caliber or better on big game.
None of the above can be used in Training Area 3 is archery only. No back up weapons, except another bow.
Yes, a pistol of centerfire .38 or better can be used as primary method of take EXCEPT TA 29,30 and TA 3.
GreekGuns, No you can not take a handgun into TA 29 or 30 as a back up weapon, and yes you would be in violation of Fort Hunter Liggett Rules and Regulations.
The easiest way I remember all this isbesides all the seminars and meetings)
Remember, we have two sets of Rules and Regs here at Fort Hunter Liggett
1.Ca Dept. Fish and Game Regs (CCR Title 14)
2.Fort Hunter Liggett Rules and Regulations

Thanks everybody for all the questions, and thank you Fort Hunter Liggett and Fish and Game for helping with the answers.
Did I get miss anyone's questions?

 

[evlu]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bhrhunts @ Feb 7 2007, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Well after 2 days of meetings, I guess you guys already know the answer about in-line muzzle loaders (yes), and yes you can have scopes on them. There was one more question I think that was up in the air and that was the use of a back-up fire arm.
Back up firearms are allowed, however you can not take a back-up centerfire pistol/handgun as a secondary back-up weapon into a primitive area specifically Training Areas 29 & 30, or TA 3 (archery only). You could take a back-up weapon (Neil San Diego) as long as it was a black powder of .38 caliber or better, barrel minimum 6". However, Fish and Game regulations only allow black powder rifles for the take of big game. So that rules out a blackpowder pistol as a method of take for big game. As a "back-up" weapon, I do not believe that a black powder .38 caliber pistol is going to do much, but that is just my opinion. However, it would only be a legal method of take for small game. Yes, you can take a back-up shotgun or black powder rifle into TA's 29 and 30
Knives are allowed, but are not a legal method of take.
Yes, a double barrel blackpowder shotgun would be a legal method of take as long as it is .40 caliber or better on big game.
None of the above can be used in Training Area 3 is archery only. No back up weapons, except another bow.
Yes, a pistol of centerfire .38 or better can be used as primary method of take EXCEPT TA 29,30 and TA 3.
GreekGuns, No you can not take a handgun into TA 29 or 30 as a back up weapon, and yes you would be in violation of Fort Hunter Liggett Rules and Regulations.
The easiest way I remember all this isbesides all the seminars and meetings)
Remember, we have two sets of Rules and Regs here at Fort Hunter Liggett
1.Ca Dept. Fish and Game Regs (CCR Title 14)
2.Fort Hunter Liggett Rules and Regulations

Thanks everybody for all the questions, and thank you Fort Hunter Liggett and Fish and Game for helping with the answers.
Did I get miss anyone's questions?[/b]

All I can say is plagiarized from a previous thread: "Thanks Deedy...<span style="color:#3333FF">(insert Deedy Rocks smiley icon here!)"</span>

evlu

 

[CaliJeephuntr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evlu @ Feb 7 2007, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Do they allow scopes on them? (inlines)
Thanks, evlu

[/b]

Yes, you can use a scope on it.

 

[easymoney]

bhrhunts,
Thanks for all the hard work.
I have hunted the base for about 30 years and there is not much I would suggest to improve it, except make more areas(especially along the river or near the roads: ta29 &30) open to archery only. The bow deer opener last year was an example of a booking screw up where they allowed rifle and muzzle loaders into TA 29 during the archery only A deer season. I think this was to accommodate the pig and rabbit hunters. It will become a liability issue if not dealt with and IMHO closing those TAs to bows only will keep someone or someones auto from being shot...
Camp Bob has a similar problem especially along the river and hwy 101...

 

[ditto231]

Wow, I've got all my answers here....

Big thanks to Deedy, Jessy, and everyone else too...

 

[Neil San Diego]

Thanks for the answers and legwork, bhrhunts!

Neil

 

[CaliJeephuntr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (easymoney @ Feb 8 2007, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

bhrhunts,
Thanks for all the hard work.
I have hunted the base for about 30 years and there is not much I would suggest to improve it, except make more areas(especially along the river or near the roads: ta29 &30) open to archery only. The bow deer opener last year was an example of a booking screw up where they allowed rifle and muzzle loaders into TA 29 during the archery only A deer season. I think this was to accommodate the pig and rabbit hunters. It will become a liability issue if not dealt with and IMHO closing those TAs to bows only will keep someone or someones auto from being shot...
Camp Bob has a similar problem especially along the river and hwy 101...[/b]

I disagree. Those area's don't need to become archery only. As has been stated before, there is already an archery only area, with effort to expand on the river. Why does there need to be more? If you want to hunt archery, than you have that choice of using a bow where ever you go. Limiting area's doesn't need to happen again. And why would there suddenly be a liability issue all of a sudden? How long has 29/30 been a primitive weapons hunt now? Have any cars been shot from those area's? What about area's 7 and 10/13 right next to Jolon road? Should those be rifle area's cause they're next to a well used road? Or Nacimento-Ferguson?

I just don't agree that 29/30 need to be changed again. You have your choice to hunt as you see fit in those area's. Plus it's all walk-in which really makes its tougher.

 

[hntboar]

Hey Cali-
Well said. I have to say that I also agree with your points.

This is not about liability , it is about the ability to hunt with a bow and not have any firearms going off ruining your bowhunt. BTW- I can appreicate this.

Maybe I missed something.
Hntboar

P.S. thanks deedy for the help with the questions!

 

[bhrhunts]

Hey guys, thanks for all the kudos, important stuff for me to know too. I think what FHL is considering is opening up NEW areas for archery only. I don't think it will affect area's 29 and 30, heaven forbid! I think they're trying to get some of the area's that where shut down for all hunting, areas that are close to private property that have issues with rifle hunts.
On another note,
Bowhunting and guns in the same TA with archery opener for deer is a bad combo though. How have they done that in the past? Have they designated certain training areas for archery deer season only/ no guns?

 

[bhrhunts]

Hey Easy$ They DO designate areas for archery only during bow/ deer season, the only thing I can think of is that the hunter(s) were in the wrong area...and/or not playing by the rules. REPORT them if you can. During archery season I would put the number of the LEA's & gameshack in your cell phone and call them if you witness a violation like that. I know most of time it's hard to get an ID when your 3.8 miles in on foot in TA 29. And the bullets are coming from the other direction. But they do keep records at the gameshack and someone in violation is likely 99% to get busted. Especially if the violator is still in the TA.
Also, I was correct in my previous post (checked to be sure). They are trying to open NEW areas for archery only.

Wont have any effect on TA 29 or 30.

 

[easymoney]

Thanks bhrhunts...