Fred the Hogzilla

[Wild1]

I remember last year when the story broke about a kid who killed the biggest "wild" hog ever. When the details came out I (and thankfully most members here) were appalled. A few thought it was ok to kill a farm-raised family pet in a pen (yikes!!). Here's an update : http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting...tory?id=3378412

 

[DEERSLAM]

Another blackeye for hunting. A few idiots every year sure bring a bad name to huntig even though in most of the cases they aren't real hunters on a real hunt.

 

[barel74]

poor Fred

 

[Mt Goat]

Sorry Guys I have to disagree. Fred was a pig. Whether he was shot, or had his throat cut he was a pig. There is no poor Fred. High fence or Low fence, or Farm animal, Fred was a pig. He was the owners property and theirs to do with as they see fit. Believe it or not High Fence and Low fence operations raise game to be killed, farm animals are raised to be killed. The animal is in the freezer feeding people, end of story. Sure the story was a Hoax and not a record Wild Hog. BUT there still isnt a POOR FRED story here.

Lets not even get started, feeding the powers to be, with giving the do gooders, and tree hunger our sympathy. Wild animals and Farm raised animals are food. To be able to eat them they have to be killed.

Larry Lowell

 

[barel74]

I have no problem with the killing of this pig. I just don't like the fact that they had this kid shooting it, over and over for 3 hours till it finally died. The ethical thing to do would've been for the guide to hand the kid his rifle, and let him end it.

 

[Mt Goat]

Again no need to start feeding the power to be combining out sympathy with a bunch of do gooders, and tree hungers.

Could and should it have been done different SURE, but whats done is done. Not all animals are dispatched fast, on the farm or out in the field. Its always nice to hear when its done quickly. BUT we all no that doesnt always happen. Animals are shot and lost, then found the next day etc... etc... etc... A guy slaughtering has to shoot the cow, pig, or horse 3-4 times before it dies etc... etc... etc... things happen. Its not always perfect.

Larry Lowell

 

[Wild1]

There should at least be an attempt to do the right thing. In this instance, not only was no attempt made to do the right thing, but there also blatant fraud for self-servicing reasons. You can justify it any way you want to, but the point remains that it was wrong. As hunters we should, at the very least, stand up for what is right and speak out for what is wrong.

 

[Hitechhunter]

Mt. Goat,

You are wrong. They intentionally watched the pig die a slow death for publicity reasons. They put publicity above hunting ethics, and for that they are wrong. Nothing comes ahead of ethics. They had the means to do an ethical kill, but they refused, and for that they should be punished. If you are going to kill something, you owe it to the critter to make it as fast, clean and as ethical as you can.

 

[BelchFire]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wild1 @ Jun 5 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

There should at least be an attempt to do the right thing. In this instance, not only was no attempt made to do the right thing, but there also blatant fraud for self-servicing reasons.[/b]

I fully agree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hitechhunter @ Jun 5 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

They intentionally watched the pig die a slow death for publicity reasons. They put publicity above hunting ethics, and for that they are wrong. Nothing comes ahead of ethics. They had the means to do an ethical kill, but they refused, and for that they should be punished. If you are going to kill something, you owe it to the critter to make it as fast, clean and as ethical as you can.[/b]

I fully agree.

 

[Bwana Turtle]

If they wanted the kid to shoot it, why didn't they just let him walk up to it and finish him off ? After the kid shot him a million and a half times with a .50 S&W I doubt th pig would have been much of a threat. It's just plain stupid.

 

[Mt Goat]

I agree with what you guys are saying about ethic and taking an animal a fast and safely as possible. Sure this situalion wasnt good, and should have been different. BUT at this point it is what it is. Use this situation as a teaching and learning experience. Its not a Cruelty to Animals issue. We dont need to go there. Thats the whole Peta, and HSUS argument with hunting in general.

My argument again is the Cruelty to Animals issue. We dont need people telling us or anyone that something is cruel when it come to hunting. You give an inch they take a mile. Next the argument is Bow hunting verses Rifles, or Rifles verse Pistols, Pistols verses Knifes, The use of hunting with Hounds etc... etc... etc... One way of taking an animal is the best way so thats the only way it should be allowed. We all know, If you miss the vitals when hunting and just wound it, more than likely its going to run off and die somewhere, maybe never to be found. We dont need the Cruelty to Animals argument used when hunting, because there is always someone on the outside looking for issues. As a Dog Man myself, next it becomes, the issue of those dogs are torturing those poor Bears, Hogs, Cats, Racoons, Coyotes etc... Or its cruel to use Hounds for hunting because they can get killed. Animal Cruelty is an UGLY argument.

The Poor Fred was just a farm animal, so thats cruel to hunt him, he was a pet. In high fence and Low fence hunts they use farm raised animals. We dont need hunting farm raised animals is cruel. Next it becomes its cruel to shoot farm raised birds like Pheasant, Chukar, Quail, because they trusted people and didnt have a chance.

Should the pig hunt at issue been handled different again YES, but IMO, its not an issue for the courts.

Larry Lowell

 

[Cold1nhand]

I'm with Larry on this one. How many of us have shot or know someone that has shot a game animal, tracked it for hours before finding it and giving it that kill shot? While it is not the "same thing," who is to say a jury of your peers wouldn't think so? I wouldn't trust that decision to be made for me in my state.

 

[gsparcher47]

 

[Bwana Turtle]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

I'm with Larry on this one. How many of us have shot or know someone that has shot a game animal, tracked it for hours before finding it and giving it that kill shot?[/b]

The point is, from what I've read, that there was no kill shot. They just let Fred bleed out for three hours. What do you do for those three hours. Sounds like the Festival of the Brain Dead to me.

 

[deerwatcher05]

I am a mother of 3. My husband and I have been hunting since we were kids, now we have kids of our own. Our oldest daughter is 14 and enjoys hunting, our 7 year old son enjoys hunting, our 11 year old daughter does not. When we take our kids hunting we teach them to be honest hunters. You stay on your hunting ground, if you are not sure on the shot you are given then dont take it. Always aim for the quickest kill shot. We do this not only becaucs of our daughter that doesnt hunt, but because it is the right thing to do!!

When we were kids you could hunt anywhere! Hunters shut gates when they left the farm, didnt drive in feilds when it was muddy, stayed on their own land unless they asked, and mostly hunted for food.
Now its all about the "BIG ONE". At what expence? Today it is hard to find a place to hunt if you dont own land.
Why...because people are tired of all the bad things that come with unethical hunters.

To let a kid stand there and shoot anything for "hours" is not just unethicla, it is stupid! What did that child learn on that day? That you can repeatedly shoot at something for hours and it is fun? What will be next?

 

[hatchet1]

HERE'S TO FRED!!

.....by the looks of the "shot's", i bet there was
alot of green in that big bastard when they cracked him open

wonder how he tasted

 

[Bwana Turtle]

I went back to take another look at the picture. You really gotta love it. The kid behind Fred looks like he's in the next county. I really have to get a copy of Photoshop.

 

[gsparcher47]

if i recall fred was not eaten, he was burried.

 

[RoosterKiller]

Bottom line is People of principle will and should view this behavior as negeative. There is a difference between killing for food and killing for headlines.Don't let anyone tell you different.

RoosterKiller