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As I become a more dedicated hog hunter I would like to know a little more about my prey. These are my general observations. I would appreciate any comment. Please feel free to fill in, add to or disagree with my opinions. I now hunt in south and central Texas. The hunting is mainly over feeders or 'fed' senderos. It is all thick chaparral or shin-oak and juniper. There is very little chance of spot and stalk due to the dense cover. Most landowners discourage this because they fear that it will run pigs off. Every ranch is free range except one. It is 2700 acres.
My observations:
Pigs tend to run in three groups; 1) mixed adults 2) mixed with nursing pigs and shoats, and 3)single older males.
The groups containing mixed adults have both sows and boars. Some of these can be quite large and older, but most appear to be young adults. It's possible that the larger boars in this group are just single males that join the group to 'service' the sows. All of the sows that I have shot have been gravid. None of the boars have been ruttin/stinkin.? This could be because I always try to shoot the fattest, not necessarily the biggest. These pigs seem to be large and healthy
The mixed with nursing/shoats tends to range from babies to adults, including immature, gravid and nursing sows. It also contains young and mature, though apparently (?) non-breeding boars. Again, none of these boars are ruttin/stinkin. I believe that the pigs in this group must be from one or two families and the young mature boars have just not been kicked out. This group tends to be the easiest to get a shot at.
The single boars are generally the largest males, but I have seen ones as large in group one. Maybe we are lucky, but most of these that we have killed are not too stinky. These boars will come to feeders, but tend to 'check' them out from a distance. I don't know if they are looking for hunters or other pigs but I believe that it is the former.
It is my experience that pigs will come to a feeder or 'fed' sendero daily if they will find feed there. If they are shot or otherwise frightened they will probably return within a day or so, but it could possibly after dark. It is also my belief that different groups might visit at different times.
I believe that too much pressure at any one stand or area will cause pigs to leave the area or become very nocturnal.
Although I know pigs need water and have shot wet muddy pigs, I have never had any luck stand hunting water holes during the day.
In my experience too many hogs are shot and wounded at night and never found or found the next day. It's legal, but just not for me.
I shoot a 7x57 150gn Partition at around 2700-2800fps or a 308/30-06 165gn at 2600-2800fps. To this point, all of my pigs have been under 200yds with most a hundred or less.
I don't find pigs to be all that tough if shot with enough gun and in the right place. I find many people shoot pigs too far back. Most pigs that are hit correctly and run don't leave a blood trail, but seldom go far. Let me know what you think. Capt david
 

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Welcome aboard, Capt. David.

I think those are pretty accurate observations, and, in general, mesh with some of what I've been able to see here in CA.

Some differences, though...

First, shoot at them a time or two on a favorite feeding spot, and if they come back at all it will be in the dark. Shoot at them (with a gun) a couple times more, and they'll leave the area for a good, long while. The exception, of course, is if food/water is scarce and they have no alternative. I also think they tolerate more pressure from bowhunters, probably because they're not sure what spooked them.

As far as water holes, I don't know a lot about TX, but in CA summers, water gets pretty danged scarce. Isolated springs, stock ponds, and the like are magnets to hogs at that time of the year. Any other time, when water is plentiful, it's more a hit and miss proposition.

Finally, I agree with your last statement, although you may have unintentionally narrowed the scope with the following: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I don?t find pigs to be all that tough if shot with enough gun and in the right place.[/b]

That's the key. Enough gun first, and god placement second. If you get number one right, you can be a little less picky about part two. However, part two is really key regardless of what you're shooting. I've seen video of a big sow dropped stone dead with a .22cal pellet gun. And I know people who've hit them with .300 mags and lost them. But the bottom line is, if you use a reasonable cartridge and make a decent shot, you'll kill the pig. They're not bulletproof.

One last thing... I've only been chasing hogs for a little less than 10 years, but even so, I don't think I'll ever stop learning more about them. Just like deer, when you think you've got them figured out, they'll throw you a curveball.
 

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Hey Speck....I am looking for a rifle, well in the market... I am eyeing a .270 and a 30.06 Having trouble deciding, but I want a rifle for hogs, deer...overall a good big game rifle. What are your recomendations???
 

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For pig hunting where they may weigh up too, or over, 400lbs I believe that a 260/6.5x55 shooting a 140gn bullet such as a hornady/partition/ powerpiont etc is about minimum up to 200 yds. As a minimum I want to hit the animal with at least 1500ft/lbs of energy. Please, all of you 243and 257 caliber lovers, I know that they can and have done it. They are just not my choice. Of course any gun will do if you hit them in the head. The problem is that they never stay still. Many of my head shots have ended up farther back. capt david
 

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Good to know...I mainly bowhunt em. So I got 125 gr. t-heads and a Mathews MQ1 @ 308 fps... But i am trying to set up my self and old lady for hunting with a rifle so that both of us can hunt together...She is not really up for bowhunting...yet! I'll break er in! So i was thinking of getting a pair of rifles of 2 different clibers though. For a rifle I would like to be no more than 150 yrds shooting. I am not one for taking a "wild" shot at an animal 300 yrds away. Negative. I want good shot placement and a kill...leave no animals wounded is how i think it should always be. So I think a 30.06 will do that job, but the second rifle is between a .270 or a .223 or .300....Which do you all think, good bad and pros and cons???
 

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So the 30.06 is a goodie than, more of a straight shot from what i have obtained. I used to deer hunt in Michigan with a 30.30 and i know that those drop after 100 yrds. And now that i am seeing the terrain and stuff out here, which is sooooo different than back home, Now i am pondering shooting down a hillside or up a hill side. I have always been on flat land so i dont know how up and down affect shooting. So if i was to have a .270 Should i shoot the same grain as you mentioned?? along with the 30.06?
 

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As I stated above my pig guns are a 7x57 150@2800, a 308 165@2650fps and a 30-06 165gn at 2800fps. All use Nosler Partitions although Hornady Interlocks would do just as well at those speeds. capt david
 

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Blacknights154,
It sounds like you are in the market for 2 rifles, right??? One for you and the other for your better half. My personal choices are 30-'06, .300Win. Mag., .338 Win. Mag. and a 45-70 lever rifle. I used to reload way back in the late 1980's. I still have all my reloading equipment all set up and ready to go. Just don't have the extra time and the desire to get into it now. Probably will be back into reloading sometime in the future. With the 30-06, non-reloaders have no problems. Ammo is cheap and selections from military surplus to premium loads are as wide as the rainbow. The .300 Win. Mag. is also wide in selection and availability. With these 2 calibers, you are ready to tackle anything in North America and not have to worry about ammo availability or selection, even if you are a non-reloader. If your better half finds the recoil in a 30-06 objectionable, then there are the low recoil loads from Remington or if you are a reloader adjust the load accordingly. The .300 Win. Mag. with 200 grain tough construction bullets will bring down a brownie bear or a moose. The reason we went from blackpowder to smokeless powder is for power. The reliable 30-06 many agree has adequate power for deer, hogs, elk and moose. Then after selecting the 30-06, why not step up in power for the 2nd rifle which is the .300WM. Bigger than the .300WM and the recoil becomes heavy and severe and to many shooters, very objectionable. Also, bigger than the .300WM and the factory ammo becomes very EXPENSIVE quickly. I am also not a gifted marksman when it comes to punching holes in big game. So I need all the help I can get in anchoring game. There will be times at close range when you need to shoot offhand instantly with your rifle bobbing unsteadily as the game is ready to scoot out of the area in a millisecond. Generally, the more impact energy that hammers the game, the better it is for the hunter. For my kind of marksmanship, I know I need at least a 30-06 with tough construction bullets to get the game. I would use a .223 if it could give me 2,000ft.lbs. of impact energy at 100yds., but it won't, so I end up with the 30-06 as my minimum. Just my 2c of course.
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Blacknights154,
I love my 30-06 for going bang just for trigger time and informal shooting to maintain my reflexes and body control. I use milsurp dirt cheap ammo for that and I don't touch the scope adjustment that is set for my 30-06 big game premium ammo. I just fire for effect with the milsurp ammo at the paper target at 100yds. and note how far away from the bullseye my milsurp groups are impacting. Then I can still do my informal target shooting with milsurp ammo and not waste premium hunting ammo just to get range time and trigger time to maintain my muscle memory. Burn too much money at the range and the ordinary guy will not spend too much time shooting at the range, which is essential for teaching muscle memory. Just my 2c of course. 'Nuff said.
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Wow!! Perfect explanations. I loved that. Right to the point with everything. I really like the bolt action 30.06 so that is what I am interested in, maybe get that and shoot with it and let the old lady hunt with that one after i go with another rifle. I can see how the ammo for the .300 can really get 'cha! And the kick too. I am a skinny guy at 6'1 165lbs. I really like my shoulders! Also, Larry , thanks for your 2c's also, I can see what your talking about with the cheap ammo while ranging and then putin the goods in for hunting. Thanks fellas, I really do appreciate this site and all you guys do for people like me who have a fairly good sense of Knowledge but not enough to say i know what i am talking about. Thanks again to all. McD
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blackknights154 @ Mar 19 2006, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hey Speck....I am looking for a rifle, well in the market... I am eyeing a .270 and a 30.06 Having trouble deciding, but I want a rifle for hogs, deer...overall a good big game rifle. What are your recomendations???[/b]
Blackknight,

You'll get a ton of answers to that one, but from me, I'd say you're good either way. The .270 is generally going to offer lighter recoil and flatter trajectories, but the -06 is going to let you load heavier (not always necessary) with more impact downrange. Personally, I'd lean toward the -06 because I like a little extra oomph for elk... but the .270 is an awesome and proven round, especially for deer and fine for hogs too.

As far as your concerns for shooting up or down hill, the difference is negligible for "reasonable" shots. If you keep it inside 300 yards (which is still long) either rifle will be just fine as long as they're zeroed in.

Not much help, I know. Bottom line, which rifle do you like best and which one is the best deal? That would be the deciding factor for me, because you can't really go wrong with either caliber.

After reading the rest of this thread, if you think your wife will be shooting the rifle, then I'd recommend the .270... unless she's really good with recoil. 30-06 can be manageable, but still can be punishing. With the 180gr loads I shoot, my -06 catches me off guard once in awhile, and I have to start all over getting rid of the flinch! As far as the .300 mags and bigger, beware. Most women I know, and several men, just can't handle the big boomers well enough to maximize the advantage of the additional power.
 

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Speckmisser by any chance do u have a website for that video because i woudl really like to see it. thanks.
 

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baboltin,

I don't know if it's on their website, but it's one of the promotional videos GAMO was showing at the SHOT Show this year. It was showing off their new, high-density pellets.

I was, quite honestly, a little shocked that they'd show something like that... knowing it's gonna make some yo-yo think it's OK to hunt hogs with a pellet gun.
 

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o i just found it interesting and quiet amazing that a pellet gun would kill a pig but thanks anyways.
 

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There is no need to get a big kicker. The 150gn partition in a 7x57 or 708 or a 165gn 308 is enough for any pig to as far as most should shoot. capt david
 

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Speckmisser is right in that powerful calibers also kick powerfully. At the bench it becomes a real problem as my .300 Win. Mag. bolt gun with 180 grns. bullets will produce that bone jarring, teeth rattling recoil. To be honest I cannot shoot it at the bench without my PAST magnum shoulder recoil shield. Another trick I do is to roll up a towel and secure it with duct tape and use it as a shoulder recoil shield. Even my 30-06 I find it very uncomfortable shooting(180grns. bullets) at the bench without a shoulder recoil shield. However at the hunting fields, when shooting at wild hogs, I do not feel the recoil and the sound of the high powered rifle going off is like it is a block away. I guess it is the adrenaline shutting out the loud crack of the rifle and the jolt of the recoil. A recoil shield of some sort is a good investment as flinching will develop with these 30-06 and bigger boomers loaded with the heavier(180+grn.)bullets. The benefit though is should you get a chance to whack an elk, moose or a 500 lb. wild boar, you will not be undergunned with the .30 calibers. Personally I am leaning towards the boomers. You want to hammer the game and anchor it. 'Nuff said.
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I guess we have to respectfully agree to disagree.I've always looked on the 30cal 'boomers' as unneeded for ranges that most of us should shoot(300yds or less). MY 7x57 and 308 have about the same energy at 250yds as a 30-30 does at the muzzle. I have no experience with 500lb pigs, elk or moose but both my loads will exit both shoulders of a 350lber at 200yds. If you have and like them, use them, but they are not needed. BTW, my next gun will probably be a 300H&H. capt david
 
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