Guided hunts - are prices to high?

[Rancho Loco]

You're a business owner - read SD's post and tell us how you would be able to offer $100-$300 hunts.

 

[7magHunter]

WOW!!!!!
Let's stop for one second here!!!!!
Why suddenly everyone is shi&*ing on my yard?
I'm not the one who started this thread!

 

[upper]

Sorry 7-mag diddent mean to bring the wifey into this,but cornnered beef is better.upper

 

[Rancho Loco]

Personal attack? Ummm...Where? I told you I'm not insulting anyone.

You've stated what you think is fair. I ask how.

What's personal?

 

[Common Sense]

 

[7magHunter]

Rancho,
Don't be a smart arse, you know you been attacking me from the beginning of this thread!
Because you're not insulting me it doesn't mean you are not getting personal with me, so stop playing games!

 

[boar slayer]

catching the next wave will cost ya to 9'3'' russell longboard $750 plus tax and it tastes terrible which i cant belive the wax smells like bananas yum [attachment=48222:0107082058.jpg]

 

[bpnclark]

One point that has not been brought up yet is – inexperienced hunters.

If you have never been hunting before, have not been brought up in a “hunting” family, have never fired a rifle and have no one to show you how to hunt – then go on a guided hunt. It is the best and fastest way to learn. For a person that has never touched a rifle but was bitten by the hunting bug, a $1000 guided pig hunt is well worth it.

 

[Rancho Loco]

QUOTE (7magHunter @ Jan 7 2008, 09:09 PM) http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=951046

Rancho,
Don't be a smart arse, you know you been attacking me from the beginning of this thread!
Because you're not insulting me it doesn't mean you are not getting personal with me, so stop playing games and grow up!

How can you or anyone make $300 guided hunts work? Read SD's post and come up with a better way. Hunters will be beating down your door.

 

[upper]

Anybody got any cabbage? Upper

 

[7magHunter]

 

[Kentuck]

So Rancho, you're saying that if I own my own property, have a very stable population of pigs, that a person cannot make money selling hunts for $100-$300? The only expense I see is the liability insurance so it must be awfully high to not be able to sell enough hunts to make money. Only other costs would be gas, wear and tear on a vehicle because I would hope that the ranch has operations other than pigs to cover the costs of owning the property or one would have a decent enough job off the ranch to cover them.

 

[7magHunter]

Making money of California wild game is just wrong and it should be illegal.
If they can sale me a pig I can sell the same pig to my neighbors right? Of course NOT, it's illegal.
DFG states that buying or selling game or fish is against the law.
The wild animals belong to the people of Ca, not to the ranchers or big corporations,
Do you know who owns Tejon Ranch?
Last time i read the Tejon Ranch was owned by a big corporation in New York City with a bunch of businessmen in suits.

Paying a reasonable trespassing fee should be the right thing, a "trespass fee" of $400 and up is not the right thing.
Guided hunts is different because you're paying someone for the service to guide you and commodities and it's your choice to pay for this fancy service, but unguided hunts should only pay a small trespass fee, and I haven't find one yet to be reasonable.
You guys can piss ol you want but that's the facts.

 

[Backcountry]

QUOTE (7magHunter @ Jan 7 2008, 10:12 PM)

Paying a reasonable trespassing fees should be the right thing, a "trespass fee" of $400 and up is not the right thing.

That's socialist thinking right there, and it irks me... are you saying that landowners don't know what is fair to charge for land access, but that somehow you do know what's fair for them to charge... you don't own their land, or pay their property taxes, or fix their fences, or have to deal with their trespassers, so why do you get to decide what a fair profit is for them to earn?

Respectfully, 7magHunter, what business are you in? Hypothetically, lets say I want to do business with you, but I'm going to first tell you to drop your price by 50% because that's what I think is fair... I'd expect you would tell me to go take a hike.

FYI, I also own my own business, and if I let my customers set their own rates... well, that would be a one way ticket to the poorhouse (where I grew up).

I too wish land access and 3-day guided pigs hunts were only $100, but their not, and in my mind, the price that the market bears is a fair price. Efficient markets will always have a few rich folk at the top, and a bunch of lazy poor dirtbags at the bottom, and the rest of us working our ass off to get by in the middle...

Backcountry

 

[jackrabbit]

I'm bored folks, and nothing good on tv, and the wife has a headache. So hi!!! This is a goofy thread, just checked in because, I'm bored. This thread might end up rivaling the Norcal free butchering thread from 2007!

Fun reading, especially the guys who are fighting!! But what I don't get is what is the basic premise here? Is there a fundamental premise that private landowners are somehow OBLIGATED to allow folks to come on their land and shoot pigs? If that is not the fundamental premise, then all access and guide fee issues are ridiculous. If a landowner has too many pigs causing damage, then the landowner can just suffer it, kill them as predators (with permits), let someone come in for a fee and kill them, etc. It is private land after all. If I had farm/ranch land and your dogs came in there killing my livestock, I would shoot them dead and would not even charge a fee for the pleasure -- it is private land. If I choose to allow access for folks to come in and shoot pigs with a harvest tag, then they need the proper tags and to follow DFG rules for harvest, and I make some money -- but I do not have to let anyone in to do that if I choose not to. I don't hunt private land because I get pleasure just being out on public land as often as possible, using all my gas and time, just for the fun of it. I manage to stay alive by buying my food at the grocery store somehow -- it is tough, but I am an experienced and well respected shopper.

OH, and a couple of you regulars here are indeed getting a little nasty. Goodnite guys.

 

[7magHunter]

QUOTE (Backcountry @ Jan 7 2008, 10:26 PM)

That's socialist thinking right there, and it irks me... are you saying that landowners don't know what is fair to charge for land access, but that somehow you do know what's fair for them to charge...

That's just an excuse to suck up more money, back in the 80s the same lands were free to hunt, what's the difference today?
What do they provide to an unguided solo hunt?

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you don't own their land, or pay their property taxes, or fix their fences, or have to deal with their trespassers, so why do you get to decide what a fair profit is for them to earn?

Same here, what gives the right to the land owner to sell the wild game that belongs to us the people of CA?
Mention to me the expenses that a land owner faces every time a hunter is in his property? Insurance what else? New fence a new paint job for the ranch has nothing to do with hunting expenses, most private land that let you hunt don't have cattle or sheep, so what's the big risk to them for walking into a jungle full of bushes?

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Hypothetically, lets say I want to do business with you, but I'm going to first tell you to drop your price by 50% because that's what I think is fair... I'd expect you would tell me to go take a hike.

Not necessary, I rather work it out with you than lose a good customer, I deal with people every freaking day and my prices are not final is always negotiable that's why they keep coming back!

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FYI, I also own my own business, and if I let my customers set their own rates... well, that would be a one way ticket to the poorhouse (where I grew up).

Your way of doing business is different than mine, which I respect, but I work flexible so both me and my customers are happy, that's how I keep my phone ringing on a daily basis.

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Efficient markets will always have a few rich folk at the top, and a bunch of lazy poor dirtbags at the bottom, and the rest of us working our ass off to get by in the middle...

Backcountry

I honestly believe that most people in this forum CAN afford a guided $400 hunt but they find a nonsense to it!
Pigs are NOT fine game they're just open year round targets, and hunters have no choice to pay or to watch the pics, I rather watch the pics and work my arse in public land even if I comeback empty handed, Thanks God I have plenty of food in my Refrigerator, this is just a hobby to me!
Great post Backcountry, this is how I like to communicate in a forum. A+

 

[bpnclark]

There are very few “wild” pigs/hogs in CA. I don’t believe that these ranches that have hundreds of pigs killed on their property every year still have enough “wild” ones to reproduce and make their numbers greater, year after year. Hogs should not even be called “Game” animals. They are escaped farm animals. If they were “game” animals they would have limits and restrictions.

There are about as “wild” as a ring-neck pheasant.

But I pay $ to shoot both every year and have a great time doing it.

 

[DEERSLAM]

Wow did this thread get jacked up!

The question was are guided hunt prices too high. Answer...yes and no. You get what you pay for in most cases. Plan a budget for your hunts and look for quality hunts within your personal budget. I personally don't care all that much about staying in a first class lodge with 5 star meals...the hunt is what I'm there for. We will all not agree what is a fair price for a hunt. I say $400-$500 is more than I am willing to pay for a pig, period. Lots of guys would book that hunt in a heartbeat...their choice. Speck says he wouldn't pay for a deer hunt. That's his choice. It depends on each individual and what they want to spend and what they want to hunt. People think I'm crazy when they hear the prices I've payed for hunts. My choice not theirs.

Hope this thread doesn't continue it's course. It's going the way of, I'll butcher your deer for free.

 

[Rancho Loco]

QUOTE (Kentuck @ Jan 7 2008, 09:43 PM)

So Rancho, you're saying that if I own my own property, have a very stable population of pigs, that a person cannot make money selling hunts for $100-$300? The only expense I see is the liability insurance so it must be awfully high to not be able to sell enough hunts to make money. Only other costs would be gas, wear and tear on a vehicle because I would hope that the ranch has operations other than pigs to cover the costs of owning the property or one would have a decent enough job off the ranch to cover them.

So do you think owning and running a ranch just means sitting on the porch watching the cows and counting your money? Hardly. It takes work, usually seven days a week. Any day guiding a hunter is a day not doing ranch operations. So hire someone to do it...Wages, insurance, seed and equipment costs, workman's comp, licenses, taxes, fuel, etc. etc are going to push your $100-$300....Or charge someone a lease or concession to run hunts and take a cut - which is how it usually works, and now you're looking at SD's numbers.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm seeing a pretty healthy sense of entitlement in some folks here and that troubles me.

 

[Rancho Loco]

QUOTE (7magHunter @ Jan 7 2008, 10:12 PM) http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=951068

Making money of California wild game is just wrong and it should be illegal.
If they can sale me a pig I can sell the same pig to my neighbors right? Of course NOT, it's illegal.
DFG states that buying or selling game or fish is against the law.
The wild animals belong to the people of Ca, not to the ranchers or big corporations,
Do you know who owns Tejon Ranch?
Last time i read the Tejon Ranch was owned by a big corporation in New York City with a bunch of businessmen in suits.

Paying a reasonable trespassing fee should be the right thing, a "trespass fee" of $400 and up is not the right thing.
Guided hunts is different because you're paying someone for the service to guide you and commodities and it's your choice to pay for this fancy service, but unguided hunts should only pay a small trespass fee, and I haven't find one yet to be reasonable.
You guys can piss ol you want but that's the facts.

Well, there you go. Contact your legislator and make it law that hunting operation can charge only what YOU think is fair.

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Mention to me the expenses that a land owner faces every time a hunter is in his property? Insurance what else? New fence a new paint job for the ranch has nothing to do with hunting expenses, most private land that let you hunt don't have cattle or sheep, so what's the big risk to them for walking into a jungle full of bushes?

What private land is this? Any names or examples?