Have you ever been charged?!

[flingem71]

WB..... that's cool cam shots! Did u like hunting there? Was thinking of going.

 

[WoodGrain]

This little 200lb piggie went to market and charged after I shot her 400lb boyfriend at BHCR.



I yelled "Stop Pig!" and pointed to my left and the hog stopped 15 feet in front of me and walked off to my left. Mad Jedi Domestic Pig Mind Control Skills eh? She had me backing up!

Bruce, you crack me up man! I just literly LOL.

I can see it now,

WoodGrain

 

[catchdog]

never charged, but did have one walk up real slow to 12 feet from me with a light shinned in its eyes. It was in Texas, they don't care how you kill them there. They just want you to kill some and pay them to do it.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

WB..... that's cool cam shots! Did u like hunting there? Was thinking of going.

No. I went because I had to learn some things about bow hunting in real life conditions and was strongly urged to go to BHCR to shoot an animal. It is grocery shooting, assassination really but here's the thing...if you've never shot an animal with a bow, you don't wanna learn certain lessons in the wilderness. Unlike rifle hunting, there is no KE with an arrow. Everything hinges on PLACEMENT AND TRAJECTORY of your arrow. You can hit the exact right spot but if your trajectory is off, your animal is gone. You must think about the entry and exit points of your arrow to ensure you hit both lungs...not so much an issue with bullets. Then there's the things most people don't think about when practicing at the range...shadows and brush. Total game changer for the newbie bow hunter. So for that it was quite helpful but you are shooting farm animals and not hunting, it is not remotely like a "real" hunt. To introduce kids to the sport or for archery 1st timers it serves a great purpose. If you want to make your own sausage or are looking for a ram w/o a tag, go for it. I think most people will only try it once.

 

[flingem71]

WB, thanks. Had heard it came with a cart and a gal asking "paper or plastic" when you got done.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

if you want a real pig hunt, I know a place in AZ you might like.

 

[Mlindsay]

Lol Bruce that's Hella funny.

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[Wild1]

Where'sBruce -

"....there is no KE with an arrow" What.....? Please explain that one to me.

 

[Rob P.]

Have I ever been charged? Lets see now..... Hmmmm.....

Well I've been charged in Santa Barbara at REI. Charged at Dick's in Bakersfield. Charged in Ventura a lot. Charged many many many times on the internet.

Oh, you mean by a pig?

Well, there WAS that one time at a beer joint in San Diego...

 

[Rob P.]

Where'sBruce -

"....there is no KE with an arrow" What.....? Please explain that one to me.

KE means Kinetic Energy. No KE because there's low mass and low speed in an arrow. I'll let someone else do the math comparison between 2900 FPS in a bullet and 300 FPS for a broadhead.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Where'sBruce -

"....there is no KE with an arrow" What.....? Please explain that one to me.

When a bullet enters the body the kenetic energy kinda liquifies the surrounding tissue whereas an arrow can only slice through tissue and hopefully arteries, lungs and/or heart. Placement is much more vital with a bow than a rifle for this reason. Here's a couple new pics of the 700 pounder that came after me that I just got.



This pig was killing others on the ranch and had to go. Should be a unique euro mount as the cutters actually curl back into the mouth. Weird!

 

[Wild1]

Shot placement is important whether you use a bow or rifle. Using a bow certainly uses KE, and it can be argued that KE energy is more of a factor when using a bow/arrow, because of the slower speeds generated by the bow/arrow.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Shot placement is important whether you use a bow or rifle. Using a bow certainly uses KE, and it can be argued that KE energy is more of a factor when using a bow/arrow, because of the slower speeds generated by the bow/arrow.

I disagree. I've seen the slo-mo on ballistics gel and the bullets knock the chit outta that stuff while arrows do very little damage by comparison. The difference is in the KE...archery cannot come close, not even a little bit.

 

[Wild1]

Read my post: I never stated that a bow/arrow has comparable KE to any bullet! What I did say, is that a bow/arrow HAS KE. In your original post, you stated " unlike rifle hunting, there is no KE with an arrow". I'm saying that statement is ridiculous, of course an arrow has KE.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Do you take everything literally or do you just like to debate insignificant things posted by strangers online? Is this you?



There's no way Obama gets reelected...none.

 

[Wild1]

Lots of people read the forum(s) to learn and to become better hunters and outdoorsmen. Trying to clarify an obviously erroneous statement should be a considered helpful. Some people even go so far to acknowledge their mistake - imagine that.

 

[Deleted member 33033]

Let's teach people then.

Kinetic Energy Formula:
KE = (weight / 450240) x (velocity x velocity)

Example:
A compound bow shooting a 460gr arrow at 270 ft/sec
KE = (460gr/450240) x (270 x 270)
KE = 0.001021677 x 72900
KE = 74.48 ft/lbs

Compare that to a .270 round (150gr) that’ll have a minimum of 2010ft/lbs. KE (at 200 yards) and suddenly 74.48ft/lbs is VIRTUALLY (not literally) nothing. KE doesn’t kill animals when bowhunting, the cutting action/bleeding does. KE however plays a major role in killing animals using a rifle. That is the point I made. Shot placement is always important regardless of weapon. Done with you now WildODC1.

 

[Wild1]

I can see you haven't done a lot of bowhunting, and you certainly haven't done any bowhunting in Africa, where KE is paramount to a successful hunt. For any beginning, or experinced bow hunters out there: do a minimum amount of research and you'll find that KE does, in fact, exist with a bow/arrow and can be an important factor when hunting - which was my point. To further make my point, consider that when you're bowhunting, a rifle's KE is completely irrelevant, since you're not using a rifle! The KE of your bow/arrow is relevant, "virtually" doesn't have any place, unless you're doing a "virtual hunt" on a video game. In the field, in the real world of bowhunting, KE is a real factor. Try using insignificant amount(s) of KE when hunting a large boar here in the states and then argue that it's "virtually" nothing. Or try using insufficient amount of KE on an elk at a distance over 50 yards. An outfitter in Africa won't even let you hunt plains game if your bow does not have sufficient KE, not "virtual" KE, but real-world bowhunting KE. It not only exists, but it is one of many important factors when trying to make an ethical, quick and successful kill.

 

[flingem71]

Now dar is sum funny chit!

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[Deleted member 33033]

I can see you haven't done a lot of bowhunting, and you certainly haven't done any bowhunting in Africa, where KE is paramount to a successful hunt. For any beginning, or experinced bow hunters out there: do a minimum amount of research and you'll find that KE does, in fact, exist with a bow/arrow and can be an important factor when hunting - which was my point. To further make my point, consider that when you're bowhunting, a rifle's KE is completely irrelevant, since you're not using a rifle! The KE of your bow/arrow is relevant, "virtually" doesn't have any place, unless you're doing a "virtual hunt" on a video game. In the field, in the real world of bowhunting, KE is a real factor. Try using insignificant amount(s) of KE when hunting a large boar here in the states and then argue that it's "virtually" nothing. Or try using insufficient amount of KE on an elk at a distance over 50 yards. An outfitter in Africa won't even let you hunt plains game if your bow does not have sufficient KE, not "virtual" KE, but real-world bowhunting KE. It not only exists, but it is one of many important factors when trying to make an ethical, quick and successful kill.

Since you appear to be dense and are confusing kenetic energy with momentum, I am providing visual aids.

[video=youtube;1ZCYnbIxy8w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZCYnbIxy8w[/video]

[video=youtube;Xm-QM1nxjPk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm-QM1nxjPk[/video]

An arrow requires sufficient momentum to cut tissue however it is the CUTTING that kills the game, not KE. Your broadhead determines the size of the wound channel. In a firearm the KE destroys surrounding tissues (actually liquifies it) and that's the difference between the effects of KE and momentum in hunting with arrows and bullets. In Africa they require a heavier arrow weight and draw to ensure you have enough momentum to cut big game effectively.