EvBouret

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Me and two guys from the board here have been planning a cow hunt this last sunday and we managed to make it happen. We met at the trailhead around 6 and started on the trail. It was a nice walk in and we got there at 9ish. We hung out at the end of the trail for a bit to catch our breath and stop sweating. Soon after we started up the river again, about 200-300 yards up the river I spotted some brown. Jason performed a textbook stalk and downed a small one. The day had started off as it should. After butchering it we started up the river again. Jason chose to stay behind and hunt the river and the small drains along it. So Ed and I headed off into the forest to get us some beef or pork. We ended up at a giant cliff face waterfall thing which was dry, I think Ed may have a pic or two. So we backtracked a bit and climbed up some muddy slope back into the bush. We headed northwest for a bit more or less aiming for where I believed the grassy area begins. About an hour into the hike I stepped out from behind a huge ohia tree and saw a cow about 40 or so yards away. I tucked back behind the tree and told Ed to step up for the shot. He kinda lagged a bit and by the time he poked out the cow started jogging away. He fired a shot and clearly hit it somewhere in the front quarter. I saw it stumble and turn from us and keep running, I put 3 rounds into its butt as it ran away hoping to maybe get a spine or texas heart shot. No such luck, we saw a small ammount of blood but nothing guranteeing a kill. We looked for a bit but couldn't find it. I have a feeling his shot hit shoulder and might have not penetrated vitals. While mine probably felt a bit like flea bites on it's butt.

At this point we started arching our track back towards the trail, about a quarter mile or so in from the river. We saw tons of sign, some places more than others. After crossing a few huge ravines we saw a real fresh pig wallow, another 5 minutes after we stopped to have a snack. About 10 feet from us a pig jumped up from a tangle of ferns and ran away. We never got a look at him though. As we rounded south towards the river we started to get into these real marshy little draws full of some sort of reed. There was a lot of fresh cow track everywhere and I knew we'd see one eventually.

Then I saw a branch shake about 75 yards through the trees. I let Ed know there was something ahead and we both dropped down low. They were behind a big tangle of ferns about 50 yards away. I crept up to maybe 40 or so yards away with a bunch of trees and logs in between us and picked the closest cow, waited until I could tell which way it was facing and put a 150gr slug right into his vitals. I saw it drop to its front knees when the shot hit and heard a lot of commotion. There were a bunch of cows running away from us and I assumed our cow was in the group. I waited a minute or so and poked my head into the trail to see if he was still there or not, I didn't see him so crept a bit closer to check for blood. Right then I saw its butt about 20 yards away, he was standing still behind a clump of uluhe fern. All I could see was his butt so I waited a bit. He took one step backwards and his vitals were exposed. BAM, one shot, BAM, two shots, BAM three shots! All these shots were aimed straight at his lungs and it looked like I hadn't even hit the damn cow. He didn't do so much as quiver like when a fly lands on their backs. Right then he took a step backwards and caught sight of me. I hadn't seen the head of the cow at this point and it was a giant mature bull. He lowered his head and started running at me from about 20 yards. I turned tail and started down the trail towards Ed.

I remember reading something on an online forum by a bunch of cape buffalo hunters. They unanimously (sp?) agreed that when you are charged it is best to wait and pick your shot wisely, rather than shooting as many bullets as you can into the neck, chest or snout of the animal. My brain flashed on this and I spun to face the cow with my last bullet. It's funny what your brain is thinking during times of severe stress. At this point the cow had gained on me and was only 10yards from me. This all happened in slow motion it seemed like, me spinning and cocking my hammer, planting my feet and centering my sights on the forehead of this massive beast. In this time the cow had taken another two steps at me, covering another 2 yards. As my sights centered I pulled the trigger and......*click*

After putting three rounds in the butt of the first cows I had only reloaded another 2 rounds. Very bad mistake. Right after my attempted last ditch effort I spun around again and saw Ed raising his gun, still 5 yards or so in front of me. He blew three 12ga slugs right by my shoulder and into the charging beast at a distance of about 10-12 feet. This put him to his knees and I kept running through the open swampy area, fumbling with my last two cartridges in my shirt pocket. I remember yelling at Ed to shoot him again but Ed had dropped his gun in the shuffle. He forgot to take out the plug in the magazine for it to hold more shots, so it was still in crappy California mode with only 3 shots. At this point he dove out of the way of the bull and over a small log dropping his gun on the bull side of the log. He had to climb back over the log with a still live 1000lb bull only 10 feet from him. He retrieved the gun and put one more final round into the head of the bull. I fired my last shot into its head to be safe.

This whole experience, as exciting and relieving it may be, is something that I could go the whole rest of my life without experiencing again. I nearly crapped my pants afterwords the adrenaline was surging through my body so hard I was stuttering and shaking like a leaf. Ed pretty much saved my life out there. I am SO lucky he was there and manned up to the threat instead of turning tail like me. Looking back at the event I can see how many faults I made. Didn't have a full magazine, sneaking up on a wounded bull...the list goes on, the biggest of which is being totally undergunned for a half a ton animal. But all I can say is I am so so happy to be writing this story on here and not in some swamp in the Hilo Watershed with a rotting bull on top of me. The rest of the day was pretty uneventful, we got the bull butchered and nervously laughed for an hour or so. We got back to the river about 3:15 and met up with Jason. We started hiking out and it took us all of the 2 hour alotted time. We made it to the truck and parted ways.

I still feel like I can't tell the story right, it doesn't sound nearly as intense as it actually was. The whole thing took place in under 15 seconds or so. It's all such a blur. The whole 'dangerous game' thing kinda has me freaked out, Im actually considering ending the cow hunting and sticking to pig hunting.

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What an incredibull story! I'm glad for you your buddy was there to help. I had no idea there was such a thing as cow hunting. Sometimes when I'm hunting Tejon without much luck, the small cows start to look like large pigs. Awesome story and great hunt!
 

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Dude Awesome!!! thats a pic you can show your grandkids, way to go, but yah 150grn is kinda light, I use 180 corelocks on hogs, so damm, dont want those horns in ya.

Thanks for the report and great pics, hey I will go cattle hunting with you. How many lbs of beef did you haul out , and I bet that is very prime and tasty no hormoned grain feeding.

cool report guessing you wish you had a video of that one huh.
 

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Dang, that could have been very serious. Glad you're ok and have one to tell for the ages.
 

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strong work ev,i,ll take tritip over pork loin any day, you the man
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does it cost much to whack
one of those wild cows? thanks
 

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Evan:

Hope you don't quit bull hunting, but I don't blame you if you do. Yeah, you made a few mistakes and let's go over them one by one.

First, you were using a marginal cartridge, the 30/30. If you went cape buffalo hunting in Africa and showed up with a 30/30, the Pro Hunter would run off screaming into the night. By the way, I just emailed you re: using my 12 gauge magnum rifled slug shotgun with fiber optic sights and a red dot scope above the open sights next time you go there [if you ever do]. Me, I'll use my .300 Win Mag loaded with Barnes X bullets or my 45/70 loaded with Barnes X bullets or even my .458 loaded with Barnes X bullets when I go in for the bulls a week from Saturday. I used the .300 Win Mag with Failsafe bullets when I shot a bull in December and that bullet didn't expand at all. It held together fine, but it passed from right behind the shoulder to right beneath the skin on the far ham. The bull acted as if nothing happened and when I followed it up, it popped out of the brush and raised its head and bellowed and then lowered its head and then I blasted it between the eyes. From about 50 yards, but the .300 Win will put it down for keeps. It has twice the energy as your 30/30 and a hell of a lot more penetration. With the X bullets, it will expand and hold together, so [hopefully] no followup will be required.

Second, you were too darn close when you shot. If you had a heavy rifle or a heavy slug gun it would be OK inside 30 or 40 yards, but with a 30/30, the farther away the better.

Third, after that first shot you probably should have hunkered down and hidden. If you did hit the bull in the vitals, the 30/30 would probably have killed it, but it might have taken 30 minutes to do so. Just hide quietly and let the bull wander off and die. Following up a wounded bull with a 30/30 is really pushing the envelope.

Fourth, you and Ed should have been side by side when you shot. His 12 gauge firing slugs would have dropped the bull before it got to you. Good thing Ed is a cool head, too. He really impressed me on our boar hunt, as did Jason and Shaun.

Don't be so hard on yourself for running away. I've done that with grizzlies, even though I know better. Also did it with a bull. Luckily, my hunting buddy shot the bull off me and it fell dead at my feet, me lying on my back after tripping on a root. And after a really close shave, your hands shake and your knees wobble and you talk like a crack addict. You don't talk a lot by nature, but I bet you and Ed yakked away like a couple of teenage girls for an hour after the event, which is nature's way of burning off the excess adrenaline.

You know, this really shows that Robert Ruark was spot on when he said to "use enough gun." I talk to people all the time who want to boar hunt with a .357 revolver or bull hunt with a .44 magnum, but that's nuts. There will come a time, if you do this sort of thing often enough, when the boar or bull is just too big and the bullet is just too small and everything comes crashing down around your skull.

Glad you made it out alive. Why don't you join me a week from Sat on another hunt? Sort of like getting back up on a horse after getting thrown on your face. You can use one of my heavy rifles or the shotgun with slugs.

Aloha for now. You'll tell your grandkids about this someday, only by then the bull will weigh 2000 pounds.
 

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What Doc said. Great hunt. you should have waited. Like the old saying when in dougt back out.
 

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So good we aren't reading about a JHOer that was killed by a bull
 

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Great story, shart happens, you learn from it, nobody got hurt, congrats!
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Great story. You did a great job of making me feel like I was there.
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I personally think that wild cattle are one of the most dangerous to hunt especially when they're cornered or wounded. I've been hurt by them far more than hogs.
 

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Wow! Great story. Glad you guys are ok. Evan you still look a little shook up in that first pic.
 

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Ev,
Great story. Glad you survived it. I've been lurking here for some time and always enjoy the hunting stories from Hawaii. Next time use enough gun so you can keep those stories coming. Did it take you guys long to bring out that big bull ?
One of these days I hope to join you or DocCherry. I pig hunt in Northern California and have never seen such exciting action as being confronted by a thousand lb animal thirsting for revenge.
Hope you enjoy the steaks. You deserve it.

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Glad it all worked out, Ev. Good thing to have a backup.

I won't go through the list of errors, because I've yet to hunt wild cattle... but I think Doc probably nailed it.

You've been getting by for a while with that 30-30, but it really is a lightweight for big game. You probably recognize that now, so I won't beat it.
 

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I honestly would like some safari caliber elephant gun for going after cows. 30-30 is definitely too small for the job as I learned, last time it worked so well though. I will keep hunting with my 30-30 for pigs or sheep, but for cows give me a semiauto 300 mag or semi 12 ga or something like that.

hatchet1: If you shop around you can get a round trip from cali for 400 or 500 bucks, 105$ or something like that for a hunting license. Then you just gotta add in a hotel for a couple nights and rent a car. So under a grand for a weekend of hunting...turkies, sheep, turkeys, cows, boars, chukar, a few different pheasant, goat....The guys that I took came out and shot 2 boars the first day, 2 goats the second and 2 cows the third...they had turkey hunting set up for the next but im pretty sure they were too tired.
 

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a very exciting hunting adventure! thanks for sharing Eve and i am glad it all worked out!......tra
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EvBouret @ Mar 3 2008, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If you shop around you can get a round trip from cali for 400 or 500 bucks,[/b]
Hawaiian Air, San Diego-Kona $411.90 including all taxes. Hope to see you Ev, and doccherry too. May 13 can't wait.
 

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Boy, that's a shorts-checker if I've ever heard one. Hopefully they were good eatin!
 

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As far as bows go, it's definitly doable. I wouldn't be caught dead back there with a bow after my experience though. I would carry a sidearm with some punch if you can, just to be safe. But you do get close enough to be effective with a bow, just put your shot in and waaaaait for a good long while. Something I learned the hard way.
 

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