Hilo Bull Hunt

[Bigisle87]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Glass eye @ Mar 5 2008, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Do you guys know of any meat lockers in Hilo or Kona ?[/b]

breck- pretty much nada for wild game that i know of. a lot of the butchers and meat places wont take any due to the dept of health's standards for cleanup in regards to non inspected meat that enters their facility. basically nobody that i know of is setup for wild game. pretty much everyone just shoots/skins/debones and deep freezes their meat the same day unless they have a friend with a meat locker.
maybe ev, or doc knows differently, and i'd be happy to learn of a meat place that takes care of wild game, myself.

 

[Freedivr2]

Glad to hear you guys are still alive after all that. I think Doc pretty much gave you some great advice for the future...

It's almost a simple matter of physics. That 30-30 is a fine gun, but too puny for dangerous game. Animals of size generally require more kinetic energy from the weapon and more penetration and expansion from the projectile. For example, I carry a 30-06 when I rifle hunt for pigs, elk, deer only because it's the one gun that will cleanly kill anything in the adjacent 48 with a fairly well placed shot.

Something to think about; You can always kill smaller critters with a big gun, but the opposite isn't at all as true. If you carry a bigger caliber, you're better prepared for the unknown. I'd sure be bummed if all I had was a polespear in my hand when that 50 lb. Whiteseabass or yellowtail swam by............My advice......1. Never, ever undergun yourself. 2. Always be confident in your ability to put that shot where you need to put it or wait for a better opportunity.....

Congrats on that ton of beef!

 

[Glass eye]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bigisle87 @ Mar 6 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Glass eye @ Mar 5 2008, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Do you guys know of any meat lockers in Hilo or Kona ?[/b]

breck- pretty much nada for wild game that i know of. a lot of the butchers and meat places wont take any due to the dept of health's standards for cleanup in regards to non inspected meat that enters their facility. basically nobody that i know of is setup for wild game. pretty much everyone just shoots/skins/debones and deep freezes their meat the same day unless they have a friend with a meat locker.
maybe ev, or doc knows differently, and i'd be happy to learn of a meat place that takes care of wild game, myself.
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I found only one, and it's on your side of the island, yesterday I called Maverick's Meat in Hawi and they said that they do proccess wild game. I prefer to cut the meat myself but I was mainly concerned about having a place to freeze the meat until it was time to go home. I'll be taking a large ice-chest with me and hopefully it will be heavy going home. One time on Maui, I drove around for a few days with a goat in an ice-chest with dry-ice, wheeew ! it stunk up that mini-van. Used alot of febreeze before returning it to the rental company.

 

[ozstriker22]

So I'm curious...

Even the Organic beef we get at the store is well marbled. The animals are castrated and fed tons of grains to fatten them up. Most of the meat is then wet aged for tenderness.

How does wild bull meat taste?

Is it lean like Buffalo?

Is it gamey?

How much meat do you end up with? I can't imagine you'd be able to carry much out with you!!!


Thanks!

Jesse

 

[EvBouret]

Its a little gamey. I kinda think it tastes like a less gamey version of mutton and venison combined. It is really good however and not overpowering. The legs are tough as hell, or at least on the two me and Nic got. We turned it into ground beef and it was delicious though. The new yorks are great just sliced and fried up. I've been cutting them thing and soaking them in teriyaki overnight. It turns out really really good.

 

[sancho]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rick @ Mar 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

If you are going to stick with your .30-30, you may want to consider using the 170 gr Nosler Partition loads from Federal - you'll get better penetration and probably lose fewer animals. Personally, I get pretty upset when I wound something and it gets away to suffer.

Congrats on surviving that exciting encounter! I sure would have to sit down for a while and recover once the shooting was done.[/b]

will this work? i dont shoot a lever gun. the nosler partition is my goto bullet. in both my '06 and .257 weatherby, great bullet. but i thought a lever gun needs a round tipped bullet because the cartridges are stacked in the tube magazine. wont the recoil destroy the tip? educate me!

 

[sancho]

let me add: i showed my wife this thread. she said, "is that why you want to go to hawaii?"

how much will a two day spa day set me back? hahahah. i would love to arrow a cow/bull! i would make somebody that can shoot cover my slowrunning butt!

 

[Freedivr2]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sancho @ Mar 8 2008, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rick @ Mar 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If you are going to stick with your .30-30, you may want to consider using the 170 gr Nosler Partition loads from Federal - you'll get better penetration and probably lose fewer animals. Personally, I get pretty upset when I wound something and it gets away to suffer.

Congrats on surviving that exciting encounter! I sure would have to sit down for a while and recover once the shooting was done.[/b]

will this work? i dont shoot a lever gun. the nosler partition is my goto bullet. in both my '06 and .257 weatherby, great bullet. but i thought a lever gun needs a round tipped bullet because the cartridges are stacked in the tube magazine. wont the recoil destroy the tip? educate me!
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CAREFUL HERE FELLAS! DANGEROUS SITUATION TO LOAD NOSLER PARTITIONS OR ANY BULLET IN A 30-30 OR IN ANY GUN WITH A TUBE FED MAGAZINE!!!!!!!!!

There is a real, real, real good reason why 30/30 bullets are all roundnose (sans a new invention put out recently and I'm not sure by which company, but it's a plastic tipped type of bullet, especially made for tube mags).

Why are 30/30 cartridge bullets roundnose? Because the recoil of the gun can definitely cause the tip of one bullet TO STRIKE THE PRIMER OF THE CARTRIDGE AHEAD OF IT, RESULTING IN THAT BULLET FIRING IN THE MAGAZINE!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS NO JOKE, THIS IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE ROUNDNOSED!!!!!!

That said, Nosler partitions are my absolute favorite bullet to hunt with. I reload my 30-06 Win M70 with nothing but 150 and 165 grain partitions. But it is NOT a tube fed magazine. Stick with roundnose bullets or go to the reloading forum here on JHO and ask about that new factory loaded cartridge with the special tip on it for 30/30s. Nuff said.

 

[doccherry]

Let me make a minor clarification to the post immediately above. 30/30 bullets for tube magazines are not roundnose. They are flat nose. I have several lever actions and reload for all of them. The owner's manuals state that pointed or round nose bullets can cause chain firing inside the magazine tube, which pretty much ends your career on the spot.

With the 30/30, by far the best bullet I've ever used in terms of penetration is the Barnes X Bullet, a flat nose solid copper affair made specifically for the lever action 30/30.

I don't mean to be a nit picker, but there is a significant difference between round nose and flat nose. Like an idiot, I bought a whole box of 100 Hornady round nose bullets for my .356 Winchester 94 and they are sitting on the shelf today, 15 years later. The only way I can use them in the lever action is if I shoot it single shot, which is pretty silly.

By the way, Evan is "getting back on the horse after getting thrown," and will accompany Tony Texeira and I on another bull hunt next Sat and Sun. Tony is a former government wild cattle hunter with 40 bulls to his credit, all taken with a 30/30 lever action [all head shots---not one single body shot]. I'm a bit nervous about him using the 30/30, so he's borrowing my 45/70 with Barnes X Bullets. I'll be using a .300 Win Mag with X Bullets.

Aloha.

 

[fishnhunt]

You are looking at the Hornady LEVERevolution ammo....From what I hear it is pretty good ammo for longer ranges

 

[AZ Jim]

Ev,

As for the 30-30 and Nosler Partitions....

Federal Cartridge company still loads 170 grain semi - round nose Nosler Partition bullets in their Premium line of ammunition for 30-30 Winchester. See web link - http://www.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Search.aspx

I have shot many out of my tube feed Winchester with no problem. Many other gun manufactures load a bullet with the same round profile. The bullets you do not want to load are pointed. No manufacturer loads spire pointed bullets for the 30-30, as this is where the recoil can cause a chain reaction firing in the magazine due to primer impact. Federal's 30-30 loading is about 100 to 150 fps faster than the average load and penetrates well.

That being said the 30-30 might be ok for hogs or deer with that bullet, but not for the monsters you were hunting.


Congrats,

AZ Jim

 

[sactosteeler]

More pictures.... a week to recoup and I am read to go again...

Taking the bull by the horns.
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the jungle was really cool... I. This is the dry waterfall that we backtracked from... would like to go back and check out the little cave that I didn't notice until reviewing the pictures.
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Evan looks happy to be standing over instead of under that bull...
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[ozstriker22]

Yes,

Hornady makes a cartrige called LEVERevolution.
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The key to the LEVERevolution ammunition, two years in development, is a new Evolution spitzer (pointed) bullet with a red elastomer Flex Tip. This tip flattens enough to cushion the primer of the cartridge in front of it in the magazine during the acceleration of recoil, yet returns to its original shape instantly thereafter. The Flex Tip has been tested at temperatures from -40 to +130 degrees F, and also passed 15' drop tests in full magazine tubes and many rounds of proof loads. The Flex Tip eliminates the possibility of a magazine chain-fire, the bugaboo that has prevented the use of pointed bullets in rifles with tubular magazines.

These new Evolution bullets deliver a markedly higher ballistic coefficient than the round nose and flat point bullets previously loaded in cartridges designed for use in lever action rifles. Downrange, these sleeker bullets retain more of their initial velocity and deliver more energy on target.

The new bullets are claimed to be exceptionally accurate and to deliver terminal performance (penetration and expansion) comparable to a conventional 170 grain FP bullet at short range and far superior at long range. During Hornady's ballistic gelatin tests the Evolution bullet gave substantial expansion and produced a large wound cavity even at 300 yards, while at that range the standard 170 grain FP bullet simply sailed through the gelatin block without expanding. The early independent tests and field reports that I have seen tend to confirm that the Evolution bullets' terminal performance is approximately as claimed.[/b]

Found on http://www.chuckhawks.com/leverevolution.htm

My hunting buddy has shot them for his 30/30 and the range is exceptional. It would seem the terminal performance would be better - but I have not seen it in action.

 

[upperEA]

Great reading guys as always. Can't wait to hear of the 15th hunt

 

[EvBouret]

God I just relived this moment in my head.... Yikes

 

[Bubblehide]

Brotha, I couldn't help but notice the post date. Geezzzzzz what a story.