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Just like some of you guys, I hate to see so much awesome meat wasted, but we also need to remember this is varmint depredation... NOT sport hunting. How many of you skin and eat ground squirrels, crows, or starlings? It's the same thing. You leave 'em for the buzzards.
I do think it's a shame that pictures like this and the helicopter video get spread around the internet, because to those who don't know any better, they make sport hunters look pretty bad.
I do think it's a shame that pictures like this and the helicopter video get spread around the internet, because to those who don't know any better, they make sport hunters look pretty bad.
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Hey Speck, and this is not directed at you but,..... Where are all the guys that are bitchin' about the $15 pig tags here when they see the pic of all the wasted hog meat? I'm surprised at the lack of comment. Could it be the priorities of a few are a little backwards?
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So it's OK to waste meat if you didn't pay $15 bucks for a tag? The point is, how can you be upset about a politician wasting your money and not about the waste of meat. Sorry, I don't follow the train of thought....
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MikenSoCo,
It is really hard to get across to a Californian the "eradication" mind set until you own a peanut farm & in one night see the tore up rows & uprooted plants costing hundreds if not thousands. They do trap them & shoot them & eat them, but just like my Houston friend when he was trapping multiples daily for weeks on end, he could only eat so much bacon & he ended up giving away the butchered meat to his circle of friends, but it meant he was gutting, skinning & butchering the meat. Luckily, he was retired & was just really loafing around the ranch. But his situation is probably the exception. Most of these ranchers & farmers have to eke out a decent living & pigs are a costly nuisance which they probably could hardly afford or tolerate. I guess you have to see first hand the large acreage this pigs can destroy in just one night. 'Nuff said.
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It is really hard to get across to a Californian the "eradication" mind set until you own a peanut farm & in one night see the tore up rows & uprooted plants costing hundreds if not thousands. They do trap them & shoot them & eat them, but just like my Houston friend when he was trapping multiples daily for weeks on end, he could only eat so much bacon & he ended up giving away the butchered meat to his circle of friends, but it meant he was gutting, skinning & butchering the meat. Luckily, he was retired & was just really loafing around the ranch. But his situation is probably the exception. Most of these ranchers & farmers have to eke out a decent living & pigs are a costly nuisance which they probably could hardly afford or tolerate. I guess you have to see first hand the large acreage this pigs can destroy in just one night. 'Nuff said.
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Larry, I sympathize with the plight of the american farmer trying to eke out a living. But I can't understand why people are still paying to hunt pigs in texas while hundreds and thousands of dollars are being lost. I still haven't seen a logical explanation for rotting carcasses. To me there is no excuse whether it be economical or agricultural or both. As a previous poster mentioned, It's cheaper to go to texas and pay a guide than to hunt here in Calif. So when is the FREE JHP hunt being put on? I'll bring some fine California wine to trade for a Lone Star, and a whole posse of guys who'd love to help out with the problem. Hell, they'll even take the rotting carcasses with them!
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If your crops,which provide your livelihood, were being destroyed by insects, you would kill the insects. Nobody would be worried about the bug bodies rotting in the sun. It just so happens that these insects are pigs.
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1.How do you know these pigs where not processed you are just assuming that.
2. I have been on deperdations hunts and the animals where gathered up and sh!! canned by law.
3. Go to Texas knock on doors and see if you can get permission to hunt pigs like one post said these animals have become nocturnal.
4. Your trying to equate Ca. hunting with Texas DON'T they have more game on 3-4 of the largest ranch's there then the whole state of Ca. What is Texas up to 7 million deer now?
Mike your looking at this with your heart and not your mind.
1.How do you know these pigs where not processed you are just assuming that.
2. I have been on deperdations hunts and the animals where gathered up and sh!! canned by law.
3. Go to Texas knock on doors and see if you can get permission to hunt pigs like one post said these animals have become nocturnal.
4. Your trying to equate Ca. hunting with Texas DON'T they have more game on 3-4 of the largest ranch's there then the whole state of Ca. What is Texas up to 7 million deer now?
Mike your looking at this with your heart and not your mind.
These are not considered "Game" by the state of Texas.
Though I do agree that wasting game meet is wrong each state has it's own views of each type of animal and makes the best choice available for THAT particular states situation. In Texas these hogs (Ferral) are destroying many many acres of land and crops. On the other hand Javalina are considered a Game animal and have a season and is regulated as is any other type of hog, pig etc.. The Ferral hog is the only one with an open season due to the detsruction it causes and cost's the state of Texas. These hogs are not native to the USA either. The ferral hogs do so much damage to farmers lands that some farmers do charge to hunt the animal to help offset the damage they cause since the state can only pay so much. Hunting ranches charge because not everyone has access to private land to hunt on and public WMA (Wildlife Management Area's, state run lands) do have hunting season's on the feral hogs.
If my house becomes infested with rats I would have no problem killing them and throwing them in the trash. If the Asians down the street want them they are welcome to them. I know this sounds extreme, but if you are a peanut farmer in Texas theres not much difference.
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Good point gc4279.. I am sick of debating the wasting meat issue, but I just cant seem to stay out of it.. Growing up on a ranch, I have first hand knowledge of what the pigs can do. Our ranch could barely get by with a good rainy spring, high cattle prices, a good oat crop and 2 or 3 hay cuttings. The last thing we could tolerate is these damn pigs getting in there and tearing everything up.. We shot and trapped them all the time because we HAD TO. It would have been nice to set up some operation and overcharge a bunch of city folks to come out and hunt them, but we did not have the time or means to do it. They are pretty much totally nocturnal around here, so most did not have the means to go after them anyways. We did waste a lot of them, hell probably most of them. But, if it comes down to us or those damn pigs, they are going to lose every time.. There are a lot of hunters out there that say they abide by this "kill it and eat it" mentality. Call me a bad guy and try to take away hunting rights, but I have killed plenty of opossums that have gotten into the house, skunks that took up residence under the house, snakes that have gotten into the yard where the kids play and hogs that are tearing up the grain fields and not eaten them...
We are also assuming that these guys did not eat these pigs. It definitely looks like they probably did not, but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I just wish that Texas flag was not flapping in the background. I am tired of having to defend the way we hunt down here when we are following the laws....
Good point gc4279.. I am sick of debating the wasting meat issue, but I just cant seem to stay out of it.. Growing up on a ranch, I have first hand knowledge of what the pigs can do. Our ranch could barely get by with a good rainy spring, high cattle prices, a good oat crop and 2 or 3 hay cuttings. The last thing we could tolerate is these damn pigs getting in there and tearing everything up.. We shot and trapped them all the time because we HAD TO. It would have been nice to set up some operation and overcharge a bunch of city folks to come out and hunt them, but we did not have the time or means to do it. They are pretty much totally nocturnal around here, so most did not have the means to go after them anyways. We did waste a lot of them, hell probably most of them. But, if it comes down to us or those damn pigs, they are going to lose every time.. There are a lot of hunters out there that say they abide by this "kill it and eat it" mentality. Call me a bad guy and try to take away hunting rights, but I have killed plenty of opossums that have gotten into the house, skunks that took up residence under the house, snakes that have gotten into the yard where the kids play and hogs that are tearing up the grain fields and not eaten them...
We are also assuming that these guys did not eat these pigs. It definitely looks like they probably did not, but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I just wish that Texas flag was not flapping in the background. I am tired of having to defend the way we hunt down here when we are following the laws....
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Just looking at the trend of the discussion here, I want to repeat what I've said already...
Depredation and sport hunting are totally different animals. When you're killing vermin to protect crops/farmland, rules of sportsmanship and hunting ethics pretty much go by the boards. Doesn't matter if it's rats, ground squirrels, whitetail deer, or wild hogs (and soon to be wild turkeys in CA). The idea is to kill the ones you can and push the rest off the property.
It's logistically unrealistic to expect these depredation hunters to utilize all the animals they kill.
So the alternative is, what, not to kill them? Let 'em overrun the farms? I don't think that's going to fly. Depredation is a necessary evil.
To be purely redundant, I'll also say again... the only problem I have with this whole scenario is these guys posting their slaughter for the world to see. It obviously offends real hunters... imagine the impact it has on non-hunters.
Depredation and sport hunting are totally different animals. When you're killing vermin to protect crops/farmland, rules of sportsmanship and hunting ethics pretty much go by the boards. Doesn't matter if it's rats, ground squirrels, whitetail deer, or wild hogs (and soon to be wild turkeys in CA). The idea is to kill the ones you can and push the rest off the property.
It's logistically unrealistic to expect these depredation hunters to utilize all the animals they kill.
So the alternative is, what, not to kill them? Let 'em overrun the farms? I don't think that's going to fly. Depredation is a necessary evil.
To be purely redundant, I'll also say again... the only problem I have with this whole scenario is these guys posting their slaughter for the world to see. It obviously offends real hunters... imagine the impact it has on non-hunters.
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they do give out Depredation permits in Calif esp for pigs. I have seen a group of pigs root up 4 acres of land in 1 night. Pigs are a bad pest to farmers very bad. You have to get out of that "Big City State of Mind" to understand. If something was to cause you not to make money or lose money you would have to find the legal means to correct that problem. Pigs are not native animals to USA. They were just farm animals that got away and went wild. I do really believe some ranches that market pig hunting buy tha animals somewhere & turn them loose.
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Mike I have to agree with you for the most part. I'm one of these people that think wasting food is a sin. The exception that I'd make would be if the government makes it too complicated for these landowners to give the meat away (like in California). If there are limited restrictions as far as inspections and so forth, I'd say they should definitely put out an ad or some effort to give it to the needy or anyone who may want it. If, however, it becomes too money and time consuming for a struggling farmer to give the meat away, then I'd understand if they didn't bother. So yes, if it's not to difficult for them to give it away, theres' no excuse.
