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Injured big-game hunter takes aim at bullet manufacturers

Howie Padilla, Minneapolis Star Tribune

April 16, 2003

When a professional big-game hunter on safari in Africa shot a charging lion from about 30 yards away, he expected that the cat would die, or at least be stopped.

Instead, the lion mauled the marksman.

It wasn't bad aim, but bad bullets that allowed the lion to take Rolf Rohwer temporarily out of the hunting game, according to a federal lawsuit filed Tuesday against the bullet manufacturers, one of which is the Federal Cartridge Co. of Anoka.

Rohwer, of Scotland, is a wildlife biologist who has more than 30 years of African hunting and wildlife management experience, according to his Web site. He suffered permanent damage to his legs, arm and back, said his attorney, Louis Franecke. Rohwer was trying a new type of ammunition on Aug. 11, 2000, the day of the attack, he said.

"We think the company makes good ammunition, but not all of it is good for every application," Franecke said from his office in San Rafael, Calif. "Therein lies the problem. This bullet is not suitable for all big game."

Although the bullet might be good for hunting the majority of big game animals -- including rhinoceros, elephant, buffalo and hippopotamus -- the lion's thin skin allowed the bullet to pass through with minimal damage, he said. On a thicker-skinned animal, the bullet -- a .458 Winchester Magnum, 500 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw -- would expand, killing the animal quickly, according to the suit.

A lion shot with the bullet is still a dangerous and "harmful beast capable of causing severe personal injuries to human for a substantial period of time," the suit said.

Officials at Federal Cartridge hadn't seen the suit and were unable to comment on it, said Rod Bitz, spokesman for Alliant Techsystems Inc., Federal's parent company. The other company named is Trophy Bonded Bullets Inc. of Houston, according to the suit.

"This bullet is not suitable for killing a charging lion," Franecke said. "It's suitable for killing a lion over a period of time."

Before the lion reached Rohwer, who has since returned to hunting, he shot it a second time, Franecke said.

"The lion died basically while chewing on my client."

Howie Padilla is at hpadilla@startribune.com.
 

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I say its just one of those freak accidents that are always a risk everytime you enter the bush. It doesn't seem like a .458 cal, and 500 gr bullet would really even need to expand. But what do I know.
 

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Ever hear of the concept of "assumption of risk"? You play the game, you pay the price.
 

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Why would an experienced dangerous game hunter be without someone to back him up? How about a side arm? Who made the choice of ammo (and rifle)? Don't think this one will last long in court. This gentleman may wish to seek another line of work. WB
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Maybe he hadn't read Capstick's books on Arfican Hunting. Then again, that's the closest I've come to Africa.
 

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Jesse,

This man is trying to make up for his bad shooting.

The Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet is a great choice for lion. In fact, I will take penetration over expansion any day when it comes to dangerous game animals.

I have had quite a few Winchester Silver Tip bullets blow up on the surface of an animal, doing very little damage.

I have shot two lions with the Bear Claw bullet, and if we take this man's argument even further, the Barnes X is even worse!

Well, I have shot 3 lions with it, and will be happy to do so in teh future too.
 

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All I have to say is that it is up to the hunter to choose the right ammo for the job.
Federal puts out fine ammo, what my shop recomends but do not take the wrong tool to work. Yes you can drive a screw with a hammer but it aint the way to go, same with ammo. It is up to you to pick what is right for what you are hunting.
 

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Here we go! this guy shoots and wounds a lion...lion comes after him...now he sues the bullet mfg. because the bullet did'nt take down the lion... seems to me he's at fault for not being alert, prepared and carefull when hunting "man eaters"!
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Rohwer was trying a new type of ammunition[/b]

Why would you experiment with a new type of ammunition on a hunt like that. I think I would much rather have something in the chamber that I am comfortable with and know what it will do. I mean would you take a new gun that you have never shot on a hunt like that and just hope that it did the job.

I don'nt think so.

And this is supposed to be an experienced hunter. Heck I don't even try new ammo on does until I have shot off a lot of rounds at the range.
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Who is gonna guarenttee a bullet will stop a charging lion 30yds away and dispatch it prior to the lion closing the last 30 yds?

More data would be needed to prove the bullet a problem. On critters that don't suffer from shock, controlled expansion bullets can sometimes not be the best for an immediate kill. Broken bones or a massive wound canal would need to be established for an immediate kill or a stopping shot.

If it blows through one lung (with controlled expansion) and into the rear quarters any large animal is gonna live for a number of seconds (or a few minutes maybe). How many seconds would it take a charging lion to go 30 yds and bite someone a couple of times?
 

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When the idiot in the charging lion video going to file his law suit ? If we follow this complaint, then the bad aim and rifle are at fault in the charging lion video.
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I'm glad that at least one of the people responding to this have used the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw on lion (SAEED). And he says it works just fine for him and he will used it on his fourth lion, too.

30 yards is not much for a running animal to cover. As most of us are aware from experience, unless the spine or brain is hit an animal will continue running for a few seconds-plenty time to cover 30 yards.

Also, like the others have stated you hunt dangerous game for what? To be the same experience as a walk in the park or for the thrill of hunting something that can fight back? Also, why would an experienced hunter use any equipment on a dangerous hunt that he is not familiar with?

Seems like pretty soon the beer companies and the like are going to be in court because someone drank too much alcohol and then made the choice to get in a car and drive and then crashed into someone else-or maybe the automobile MFG will even end up in court.

Sorry that man got hurt, but we make our choices and then have to accept the responsibility.
 

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I'll be a little devil here and suggest that he used the wrong equipment. The hunter may have had a great deal of experience as have I with hunting in Africa, but I would not have used a 458 Win Mag on a lion. Sure many do and the cartridge works just fine...especially on unmolested lions when you can take a good shot and pin both shoulders and destroy the heart-lung area. but not for me, brother. I want to keep what unstitched skin that I have just that way.

Moreover let's examine the rifle of choice. a 458 Winchester Magnum. A perfect choice for large dangerous game, as the weight and ponderous velocity of the round penetrates heavy bone, which is just the ticket for elephant and buffalo, etal. ....an

The cats, however, are a thin skinned lot and it doesn't take huge, heavy, slow rounds and deep penetration to stop them and kill them. The secret lies in hydrostatic shock...and penetration. The only way to turn their lungs into jelly and blow-up their hearts and shatter bone is to use a rifle capable of high velocity, good sectional density and bullets of adequate weight. Now some folks have achieved this with the little 7x57, 300 mag, etc, but my choice of arm is the 375 H&H with a 275grain softpoint running at 2800. This round has plenty of bonecrunching power, high enough velocity for hydrostatic shock, enough front cross-section and sectional density for doing great damage to the boiler room and make bloody great big holes.

I don't have the specifics of what direction the cat was coming from, or from what distance, but if a hunter takes a knee so that the angle of the shot is straight on (shoulder shots require lead to compensate for height.) and put on where the neck meets the chest, ye ol maned one would have been a hurtin unit. my .02 cents
 

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Originally posted by martin@Apr 18 2003, 04:39 PM
Ever hear of the concept of "assumption of risk"? You play the game, you pay the price.

I used to work with a weird old duck that was retired military. A VERY experienced wood worker

Get this- He bought a Skill Saw and was cutting some wood and the Skill saw kicked back slicing his holding hand up through the wrist.

He filed a suit agains Skill and WON!!
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He no longer works and is retired living off of his "claim for stupidness" in VA and built his new house- anyone wana guess what type of saw he used ? Not the one used in evidence- but the same worm drive make and model.

I have a cousin in Point Arena that was working at Sea Ranch and the saw kicked into his legg and required 62 stitches- did he sue? NO- he was just happy to be on workmans comp.
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Sorry I went off the topic again- Expansion for thin skinned game, but not balistic-
 

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Ok Ive never been to africa and the biggest thing I've killed in a small doe, but I can say this, why the hell would you want to be 30 yds from a lion and try to shoot him. Unless you have enough gun/bullet to knock him for a flip, even a heart shot wouldn't keep him from getting to you!!!!

He needs to be classified in with the hot mcdonalds coffe lady as well as others who file frivoless law suits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im sorry he got hurt, but if your playing with fire your bound to get burned!!!!!!
 

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It would appear the distinguished white hunter needs to take a refresher course in hunting, firearms and ballistics.From my experience you never take new untried ammunition into such a situation or is it a case of someone knowing too much? I've never hunted Africa and never will but I rely on my own reloads using the same powder,primers and bullets year after year so I know there performance specs .I've seen an individual who sighted his rifle in with a certain weight bullet but when he hunted he changed to a heavier weight bullet and wondered why he didn't drop a standing mule deer,he wasn't even close ,his bullet was over 100 yards short: another dummed up award winner!
 

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