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ALL RIGHT!!! 4 for 4, that's a BIG congratulations m57, get some rest and post some pictures and tell us how was it. For the rest of you guys. come on, spit it out!!
Two friends went and hunted the north side. Shot one Friday late afternoon in the typical Tejon steep canyon. Tried dragging it out, made it a couple hundred yards (3/4 of a mile to the truck). Left and came back in the morning to try again. Dragged a couple hundred more yards and then gave up.
They hunted the other guy's tag the rest of the time but said that the fog was so thick Saturday evening and Sunday morning that they couldn't see 10 ft. Also said that the ranch hands commented that they pigs were getting hunted too hard so they'd moved to adjacent private land and/or become nocturnal.
They saw 6 that first afternoon but nothing after that. They were home by noon on Sunday pretty dejected.
I'm not sure what to make of it... I'm just repeating what they said.
They hunted the other guy's tag the rest of the time but said that the fog was so thick Saturday evening and Sunday morning that they couldn't see 10 ft. Also said that the ranch hands commented that they pigs were getting hunted too hard so they'd moved to adjacent private land and/or become nocturnal.
They saw 6 that first afternoon but nothing after that. They were home by noon on Sunday pretty dejected.
I'm not sure what to make of it... I'm just repeating what they said.
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THEY LEFT IT THERE?!?
Please tell me that I misunderstood what you just wrote. Please?
Please tell me that I misunderstood what you just wrote. Please?
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Songdog I know you are not making excuses but why didn't they quarter it there and pack it out. A 200lb pig quartered should only weigh 80-100 max. Not a problem for two guys to carry only 3/4 mile. Sounds like they were unprepared.
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Songdog,
It's no reflection whatsoever on you. Believe me, I'm not hammering the reporter, but I can't help but hammer the shooters who are being reported.
It's simply unacceptable. Unless the recovery was physically dangerous, there's no good reason for giving up. If nothing else, the animal could be boned out and packed in sections. Even in the very worst situation, if they could physically get to the animal they should have recovered as much meat as they could cut.
It definitely sounds like one of those cases where they shouldn't have taken the shot. It's unfortunate when someone can't see past the kill, and the bloodlust overrules common sense. But I can understand how they might have gotten themselves into that situation. It happens.
But... if you don't have the gumption and know-how to do whatever it takes to get OUT of that situation, you shouldn't be there in the first place. Stay at the range, where the targets aren't living creatures... or at home where you can shoot all day at animated critters on the computer. Just going in the woods with a gun and shooting something does NOT make you a hunter.
There are a lot of mitigating factors I'd like to blame this on... inexperience (they didn't think about boning it out), age (too young to know better or too old to work so hard), injury (back strain, knee injury), inadequate equipment (no ropes, no backpacks) ... but the first thing that comes to mind is simple laziness and lack of respect for the animal. ("Oh, this is too hard. The hell with it... it's only a pig.")
What about asking for a little help back at camp? Did they contact the ranch employees to ask for assistance?
The fact is, I don't know the guys and I wasn't there... so I'll leave it at that.
But for future reference...
Any of you guys at the March Pig O Rama, if you get an animal down in a hellhole, and you can't get it out... please don't hesitate to come get me and ask for help. I'll be camped on the South side.
I'll do everything I can to help, physically, logstically, and mentally, and I certainly won't think less of you as a man or as a hunter if you ask for that help.
But if I know first hand that someone left a dead animal in the field simply because it was too hard to drag ... I WILL report you to the front office and/or to DFG. Wanton waste of a game animal is a crime... legally and ethically.
Do I sound self-righteous? Probably... but this is a really hot point for me.
I know I've just made a couple of pretty strong statements, but that's my opinion. No one else has to share it, and only I have to live up to it.
It's no reflection whatsoever on you. Believe me, I'm not hammering the reporter, but I can't help but hammer the shooters who are being reported.
It's simply unacceptable. Unless the recovery was physically dangerous, there's no good reason for giving up. If nothing else, the animal could be boned out and packed in sections. Even in the very worst situation, if they could physically get to the animal they should have recovered as much meat as they could cut.
It definitely sounds like one of those cases where they shouldn't have taken the shot. It's unfortunate when someone can't see past the kill, and the bloodlust overrules common sense. But I can understand how they might have gotten themselves into that situation. It happens.
But... if you don't have the gumption and know-how to do whatever it takes to get OUT of that situation, you shouldn't be there in the first place. Stay at the range, where the targets aren't living creatures... or at home where you can shoot all day at animated critters on the computer. Just going in the woods with a gun and shooting something does NOT make you a hunter.
There are a lot of mitigating factors I'd like to blame this on... inexperience (they didn't think about boning it out), age (too young to know better or too old to work so hard), injury (back strain, knee injury), inadequate equipment (no ropes, no backpacks) ... but the first thing that comes to mind is simple laziness and lack of respect for the animal. ("Oh, this is too hard. The hell with it... it's only a pig.")
What about asking for a little help back at camp? Did they contact the ranch employees to ask for assistance?
The fact is, I don't know the guys and I wasn't there... so I'll leave it at that.
But for future reference...
Any of you guys at the March Pig O Rama, if you get an animal down in a hellhole, and you can't get it out... please don't hesitate to come get me and ask for help. I'll be camped on the South side.
I'll do everything I can to help, physically, logstically, and mentally, and I certainly won't think less of you as a man or as a hunter if you ask for that help.
But if I know first hand that someone left a dead animal in the field simply because it was too hard to drag ... I WILL report you to the front office and/or to DFG. Wanton waste of a game animal is a crime... legally and ethically.
Do I sound self-righteous? Probably... but this is a really hot point for me.
I know I've just made a couple of pretty strong statements, but that's my opinion. No one else has to share it, and only I have to live up to it.
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Unacceptable. If you shoot it, it is your duty to retrieve it.
Hell, I shot a 300 lb. bear this year, two miles into the wilderness, in a crevice on the side of a mountain, by myself and I got it to camp.
Songdog, you should make them feel ashamed of themselves.
Hell, I shot a 300 lb. bear this year, two miles into the wilderness, in a crevice on the side of a mountain, by myself and I got it to camp.
Songdog, you should make them feel ashamed of themselves.
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Wow! That just put a knot in my stomach.
Remember, bring lots of rope. I have collected over a 1,000 feet. So, come get me if you get into trouble in March. You can tackle any situation with a 4x4, lots of rope, a big knife, a pack frame, and some determination.
I'm ready for more stories, happy stories please. Sounds like M57 had a great trip. Congrats!
Remember, bring lots of rope. I have collected over a 1,000 feet. So, come get me if you get into trouble in March. You can tackle any situation with a 4x4, lots of rope, a big knife, a pack frame, and some determination.
I'm ready for more stories, happy stories please. Sounds like M57 had a great trip. Congrats!
Two things come March!!....#1 If you need help, Ive got pack frames, rope and lots of water...#2 If I see what happened above.... I'll turn you in! On a different note, I'm going to start another post for stories only.....I hope....hronk
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Hronk...
Sorry to hijack your original thread.
Sorry to hijack your original thread.
The guys should have spent the entire weekend trying to get that sucker out, especially seeing as how it was too foggy to hunt most of the weekend. I'd have asked somebody from the ranch for help and if there was no way to get it out I'd have built a fire and eaten the thing on the spot. There's no excuse for what they did, pure and simple.
Keep in mind, this wasn't Songdog, it was some friends. Don't kill the messenger.
Regards,
Paul
Keep in mind, this wasn't Songdog, it was some friends. Don't kill the messenger.
Regards,
Paul
