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Heard about this through the grapevine... pretty wierd story, not about the elk, but about the landowner being such a curmudgeon.

http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/...ws&sp7=umbrella

Locked elk die as landowner keeps officials away

OGDEN, Utah — Two large bull elk who locked horns in Eastern Nevada’s Grouse Creek area died after a landowner refused access to biologists who wanted to save the animals by cutting them apart.

The incident, reported Saturday by the Standard-Examiner in Ogden, Utah, started last Monday as the bulls sparred in northeastern Nevada less than 10 miles from the Utah and Idaho state lines.

A caller told the Nevada Department of Wildlife that two elk were locked together, common when bulls fight during the annual rut. A crew of biologists from Elko, arrived and saw the elk thrashing and flailing behind a fence signed “No Trespassing.”

Officials found the landowner, Karl “Bud” Bedke, and asked for permission to enter the land and try to free the elk. It was refused.

“You can imagine the conversation that occurred,” said Jerry Smith, game warden supervisor for Nevada’s eastern region. “But when a private property landowner says, ’No you cannot trespass on my land,’ for whatever reason, we cannot do it.”

Officials tried unsuccessfully to get a court order. Under Nevada law, if a poacher had shot the two elk, he would have been subject to a felony charge and a fine of up to $10,000 for each animal. But nothing comparable happened here.

“In the rut, they lock horns quite often, and quite often they get apart. That’s a natural part of being an elk,” Smith said.

“There was no crime … nothing had happened that trumped private property rights.”

The first elk died Tuesday afternoon. The second, antlers still locked to his sparring partner, survived until about noon Wednesday.

Biologists looked on from the county road until the last elk lay down in the middle of Goose Creek and died.

Officials were allowed access a few hours later. Smith and another officer removed the heads — each was a six-point bull — and moved them to the Elko office.

Bedke did not return the newspaper’s calls seeking comment.

A Nevada program allows landowners who prove loss from elk depredation to sell hunting tags at a price set by the landowner. Landowners can also apply for compensation when elk or other wildlife damage crops. More than $35,000 was paid out to landowners for elk damage last year. Bedke didn’t apply for either program, officials said.

Without knowing the animals’ injuries or how long they had been locked, Smith said it’s impossible to know whether cutting them apart would have saved them.

“But you do know the ultimate fate of them if you do not separate them,” Smith said.
 

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Read elsewhere that the landowner has an 'issue' with NDOW--but the other article didn't say what the 'issue' was. But, the landowner did let NDOW collect the elk after they expired for mounting purposes.

On a side note, my cousin who lives in NV and has hunted area 7 a handful of times says that herd is about 150 - 200 head (not sure how close to correct he is) and that the deer numbers have really gone down in the part of area 7 that the elk occupy. Basically, from the headwaters of the creek mentioned on down into this guys ranch is no longer a hot spot for deer.
 

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Wonder if it would have been against the law for a sharpshooter to have shot the antlers in hope of allowing them to part. Shame to have let two animals die a slow death while help is there. Feel sorry for this land owner to have so much bitterness in his life.
 
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I would like to know whats going on in this owners head.

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Probably just pissed at the government.But the innocent always lose.
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That is a disturbed man. Well, what comes around goes around. Next year well be reading how the same rancher got lost in the forrest and died from hypothermia. (sp)
 

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My guess is that he was probably fined by NDOW for something like muddying up the creek with his cattle that runs thru his property--F&G departments levy fines against landowners sometimes for the darndest of things. It isn't always common knowledge. Also, such fines/infractions are not always directly associated with hunting and fishing infractions.

Typically even lawyers, city, county officials aren't always up to speed on Fish and Wildlife permits needed as part of Environmental impact plans....too darned easy to unintentionally violate some environmental regulations including F&G's given the sheer volume of regulations from multiple sources. E.g. if you want to harvest more than 2 or 3 acres of timber, you had better have your 100+ page Environmental Impact Report 100% or suffer the ensuing fines.

So, that's my guess as to why the fellow was uncooperative. And NDOW didn't toss a bone/hint to the reporters either about it--they probably have a solid clue I would think.

Also, this type of thing happens all the time in nature....who's to say we should always be interfering? The mount NDOW is getting out of this may spark the interest in many youths to hunt.
 

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Originally posted by RVRKNG@Sep 28 2004, 03:41 PM
Probably just pissed at the government.
I agree, but heck, I'm pissed at the government too (the liberal side at least), and I don't think I'd have the heart to not get involved and help those bulls out.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I don't think I'd have the heart to not get involved and help those bulls out.[/b]

Definately a metropolitan mentality.

Not that I wouldn't want to help the bulls out either. But, lots of ranchers/cowboys wouldn't bat an eyebrow at such thing. They see death (natural death) almost every day. The older generations of such are a whole lot less likely to see this as a horrid thing over which something has to be done. Who are we to interfere with the natural order of things? ...or to try to intervene?

Not trying to disagree...just trying to provide an alternative insight.

Oh, and money!

A mount of two animals naturally locked together was worth over $50,000 8 years ago. (so this rancher essentially donated about $50,000+ to NDOW). A co-worker's uncle sold a set of locked trophy whitetails to cabelas in Missouri for that sum. It wouldn't suprise me if the rancher will get a handsome tax write off for his donation.
 

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Okay aside from the death and how they died... please tell me that the meat from the Elk went to feed the homeless/poor.....and don't tell me that the meat was wasted....
 

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I'm with you JJ, I hope if this Loon felt that he HAD to let these magnificent animals die...and take them out of the "Breeding Pool", I would hope the meat at least went to serve some useful purpose and was not wasted in the process! That's the kind of act that should stir up the Animal Rights people...and not so much, what we as Hunter's do!

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That same day, Department of Wildlife biologist Larry Gilbertson met with the rancher, asking for permission to come onto his property in an attempt to separate the elk.

"Mr. Bedke denied our people access ... after quite a bit of discussion," Smith said.

Smith said Bedke apparently is "not happy with management practices up there when it comes to elk in particular."[/b]

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By Tuesday, the Department of Wildlife received a report that one of the elk had died, and, by Wednesday, both were dead, still locked together in the same area where they'd been discovered.....


Elk, as with all wildlife, are considered property of the state. If the Bedkes had processed the animals without a proper tag, they would have been considered in violation of Nevada law, Smith explained.

Without a valid elk tag, the only other alternative for the ranchers would be to allow the dead animals to naturally decompose.

Smith said the Bedkes agreed to allow wildlife personnel to retrieve the elk heads, which will be mounted and used by the department for education purposes.

"We're happy that they chose that option," Smith said.[/b]

Bedke probably takes a substantial and increasing yearly financial hit from crop damage since the herd's growing. Probably views elk like the feral pig--non native species that shouldn't be allowed to take over that part of Nevada.
 

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Originally posted by JJR@Sep 28 2004, 10:32 PM
Okay aside from the death and how they died... please tell me that the meat from the Elk went to feed the homeless/poor.....and don't tell me that the meat was wasted....
You want to get real mad? On a related subject, get this... fresh road kill and/or hunter donated meat used to be used to feed the prison population and/or bums (I mean "homeless") here in CA, but somebody complained that the meat wasn't USDS Certified so the wole program went buh-bye. Now they probably eat Harris Ranch Grade-A select top sirloin.

On occassion, I'm the trigger man for some depredation doe shoots on my cousin's ranch, and we have to turn that meat over to DFG so that they in turn can turn it over to the Folsome Zoo (no, not the Federal Penitentiary, the real zoo)... I guess they feed it to the lions & tigers.

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we have to turn that meat over to DFG so that they in turn can turn it over to the Folsome Zoo[/b]

Dang, the DFG I talked to in Alameda County said it would have to go to the Oakland zoo. I asked him if a charity would be alright. He replied that the battered woman's shelter would be okay that I had asked him about.....so, you may want to look into it more. You might be able to donate to a Loaves & Fishes or some other charity.
 

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Thanks for that info... next time I'm asked to be the trigger man for my cousin, I'll do some research before I slaughter the pesky critters. You'd think a prison would have a job training program to train inmates to become meat cutters and that they'd jump at some free venison.

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I dont feel as strongly as some of you guys about this. If it was my property i would have let the dfg come in and try to save them.
However, it is not a sin to let nature run its course. If this happened on the top of some mountain, in my opinion it would be cost prohibitive. This has been happening for thousands of years.

It was within this landowners rights to say no and we dont know his reasons.
 
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Sorry -

To go to the link...

www.safariclub.org

Go to "Foundation"
Then to "Humanitarian Services"
Then to "Sportmans Against Hunger"

This program is a class act. Give meat to just about any city in the US and write it off on Uncle Sam.

Please spread the word!
 
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