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[prohunter]

I think if you ask first it will open alot of doors. Just be respectful. You have to realize that this landowner has been dealing with trespassing all year (thieves, trash dumpers, meth labs, poachers, etc...) that is why most of them have a bad attitude towards this. Most I know would grant you permission if you just asked FIRST.

 

[bayedsolid]

Who is going to see you if you have to cross the fence for a few yards to drag the animal back? If you don't, the animal would be wasted anyway. Most ranches are 1,000's of acres. The problem I see would be the time it takes to get to the ranch house to ask. There you are on foot, miles from the truck when you shoot something and it crosses the fence by 20 yards. What are you going to do as the sun is climbing higher in the sky? Walk for miles back to the truck and drive who knows how far around to try and find the ranch house and hope someone is home to give the okay? Now you drive back, park, and hike all the miles back into a now spoiled carcass that sits full of guts in the dark 'cause the sun went down an hour ago? Most of us hunt public land anyhow, so do you think any of these ranchers are going to give any kind of permission to be on their land? Not likely or they would have all kinds of people on their ranch "looking for lost game". They would just say why hunt the fenceline unless you're looking over the other side? 100 yards isn't that far to stay away and not have that problem, but if it happens, you either go get right then or you're wasting everybody's time. How long would it take for the warden to get there anyhow, even if you carried your cell phone? Those things never end up with reception in the hills anyway. The critter would spoil without being gutted by the time anybody showed up to try and figure anything out. It's a lose-lose situation. You either trespass or leave an animal to rot. Which ever one lets you sleep better at night.

 

[F350]

Bayedsolid,
Actually, Most ranchers a Pro-hunter and quite neighborly.
I think Prohunter's point is to ask permission from the neighbors before even beginning the hunt.

While hunting the Monterey County area, I noticed that every vehicle I passed on the road waved to me (the Drivers) and I found that if you don't wave back, you're suspicious to a lot of them. These folks all live with each other 24/7/365 and talk to each other constantly. "Hey martin...You got a guy in a big white Ford hunting your land? Nice trucks them Fords !"

The ranchers also understand that hunters are a key source of income for the ranchers and the community. Sure they compete with each other for business but their kids grew up together, got married and so on.

Most of'em are really nice people with very basic values and ideals.
If you P_ss them off....We've ALL P_ssed them off. Just Food for thought.
"Nuff Said"

Nice Trucks Them Fords !
That was for you Speckmisser.

 

[F350]

Here's some toilet reading.
Select penal code and type 602pc in the search box. It will shed a lot of light.
You can also search CA F&G codes. It's quite easy and may keep your butt outta trouble.

If I posted the whole thing Jesse would shoot me.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html

 

[bayedsolid]

F-350---
I do see the point that was being made, but I was looking at it from the hunting public land point of view, which is where most guys are hunting. What if you asked ahead of time and the rancher says no? That was my point. You either go get it or it spoils. In a perfect world all of these good ideas would work fine, but that's not reality. I grew up in Monterey County and had more ranchers pissed off at me for driving onto their ranch to ask permission than I had say "no" nicely. I've also had plenty give me the look of death just because I'm driving down the road......and I waved. Sure, these guys are probably all very nice if you know them, but they certainly aren't so nice that they let anybody hunt that asks. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

These folks all live with each other 24/7/365 and talk to each other constantly. "Hey martin...You got a guy in a big white Ford hunting your land? Nice trucks them Fords ![/b]

That's why some guys have lots of ranches to hunt and most have none at all. If you prove yourself responsible to one, it's easier to get on another. When I look at it from the point of view of the rancher, the first thing that comes to my mind is "Why are you hunting my fenceline in the first place if you're not planning on crossing it or shooting over it?" If I had a few thousand acres, I'd be hunting it plenty myself with my friends and family. I wouldn't give someone permission to cross because I know exactly what would happen. They'd be all over the place and if caught, say they were after wounded game. I'd also be pissed if I found an animal 20 yards from the fence because someone didn't go get it, but I wouldn't give them the okay ahead of time, if that makes any sense. If you get ranchers to say you can cross the fence to get an animal then great. But I don't think it's gonna happen too often.

 

[Orso]

I need to ammend my earlier post... I HAVE crossed in to private property a couple of times. The last time which I remember vividly was after hunting all day up by Clear Creek. My freinds property was only about 2clicks away, but the only way to get there was a really long hike and would have put me back at camp very late. So I made the decision to quickly scramble through the property next to hers and get to the road and hump it back to camp in about an hour. Saving a LOT of time and a LOT of energy. I dont want to be a hipacrit (spelling??), even if I am the only one who knows about it.

 

[F350]

Bayedsolid,
I get your point and agree it's valid. I can only speak of my own experiences.
Thanks for the reply.

Orso, You're an honest Man and I respect that.
There now...Don't you feel better? You fence jumper! (J/K)

This has been a great thread and has given me a great opportunity to learn from our brother hunters as well as get to know more of you.
Thanks Guys.

 

[huntducks]

Leechul, tony270, bayedsolid.

You 3 dudes aint going to like what I have to say but someone needs to tell you, guys like you are the reason it's hard to get permission to access PP your the ones a farmer or rancher always talk about, like this guy just jumped over my fence and walked right through or he walked right into MY PLACE and dragged his dead pig or deer out what ever, nothing would pi$$ me off more then to have some yahoo trespass across my property, you 3 represent what I call the typical Kalifornia hunter you don't give a damn about others just yourself, but damn you make it hard for us the legal hunter to fallow.

I'll bet all 3 of you put together aint killed a handfull of game and just looking at your replys your so damn game hungry it has blinded you to what is right and wrong and it's flat wrong to trespess on another man's property I don't care how you try to justify it.

Now go ahead a fire back

and tell me how ethical you are when you have broken rule #1 DON'T TRESPASS.

 

[raidernation]

F350
Most rancher's are Pro-hunter? How many Rancher's(Mrty Cty or Elsewhere) have actually given you permission to hunt? If you do get access why are you paying others to go hunting?


Hunter's are a key source of income? If that were the case, Most of us would not be searching for land to hunt. It would be plentiful. The Ranchers that do allow access don't make anything off us hunter's. If anything, the person managing their property will charge people to HELP(Very minimal) pay the ranchers insurance,taxes,etc.

You stated "I noticed people wave to you up in Monterey Cty". This is MOST country folk in general(no matter what part of the world you are in). On the other hand there are PLENTY up here that will maddog you for waving at them. They don't KNOW you.

I've been trying to get access to property for years(15+) up here. Have succeeded a couple of times, But eventually something will change their mind. I know a ton of people very well that have land up here, But won't let people other than family hunt it.

As bayedsolid stated, I've had ALOT of ranchers get very hostile at me for driving up to their house to ask permission to hunt or even FISH their property,No matter how you approach them. MOST (90%+) will not let a stranger who drives up to their ranchhouse and ask's permission to hunt.

huntducks
Before you fire away at people you need to know more about them, you would be surprised to see who/what/how many game some of the gentlemen you mentioned have taken or how ethical they are. Maybe their post came off wrong. How do you describe the typical California Hunter? I would be interested........

We are all here to agree and disagree, however you should not compare a FEW to what you call the TYPICAL KALIFORNIA HUNTER!!!

 

[prohunter]

I need to clear up what I said. Most would give you permission to retrieve your game if you asked first. It would take some time in getting to know someone before they let a stranger hunt their property.

 

[F350]

Raidernation,
I'll keep this reply short (NOT)
My point is this; If I've paid to hunt someone's ranch most of the neighbors don't seem to be against my actions. No...I don't see why anyone would just let me hunt their land for free. Think of the liability risks. "Strangers on my land?...With GUNS?" Uhhhhhhhhh.....NO !

I'm simply speaking of what may be a select few that will let you hunt for a fee. My experiences with the neighbors in the Parkfield/San Miguel area is that they are Nice folks and I have never been treated with an ounce of hostility by any of them.

Yes, there is one rancher I know of that doesn't want hunters on his land period but he's still a nice man. It's his land and those are his feelings.

I make it very clear to everyone in my group that when we hunt, we follow the rules and we treat EVERYONE with respect and dignity regardless of their attitude.

Point is this...If you jump my wall to retrieve your kids ball, I'm gonna be Pi$$ed for you not coming to my door first and I'm gonna treat you as a criminal. It has nothing to do with liking kids or balls. It's about RESPECT.

If you don't like the rules, don't play near my wall.
If you don't like fence lines and trespass laws stay away from the fence lines.

Look!!! stuff happens and if it hasn't yet, it will. This is all about how we as a community deal with the rest of the world and the impact we have on them and them on us. You're free to do whatever you want and to pay the consequences when it goes bad.

I personally don't appreciate or respect anyone who makes the rest of us look bad. Like it or not, everyone stereotypes to some degree. I do not want there to be an even larger negative one about hunters because of the actions of a few.

Sorry for being so long winded.
"Nuff Said"

 

[bayedsolid]

huntducks---
You completly missed my point, so maybe you should re-read my posts. I'm in no way advocating trespassing in general. If somebody breaks into my home in the middle of the night, points a gun at my family, and I shoot him, does that mean I wanted to shoot him or I'm a murderer? By your logic it does. Life is full of imperfect situations and you do the best you can under the circumstances. There is a big difference between trespassing to hunt and crossing the fence 20 yards to collect an animal that you shot on the legal side of the fence. You call it unethical, but I think it is WAAAAAY more unethical to kill something and walk away just because it crossed the fence. This isn't something that happens everytime you go out anyhow, but it does happen. And no, it's never happened to me. Everybody is just giving their opinion anyway, and I like to hear them all. Many times a person doesn't think about something from all the perspectives, which is why it's good to hear from everybody. As far as your comment <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

I'll bet all 3 of you put together aint killed a handfull of game[/b]

Well, Mr. San Dimas, if you'd ever like to get together with this country boy and compare photo albums, please, let me know. We could put $10 on every picture of a big game animal that one person has and the other doesn't. I could use a new truck.

 

[F350]

Bayedsolid,
Buy the Ford....Buy the Ford !!!

By the way, Nice Hog Pic

 

[Coondog]

Again I will have to say how GREAT IT IS TO LIVE IN TEXAS!!! I dont know how you cali boys do it over there... Way too many activists, tree-huggers and crazy laws for me! But you boys keep givin'em hell....

As far as this post is concerned... dont really have to worry about it since we hunt on private land and know pretty much every land owner and hunter that adjoins us... No problem crossing fences here.. Hell most would probably let me shoot on em if I wanted....

But, (huntnducks you aint gonna like this) I would have no problem going in there and retrieving my game and getting out!!

 

[huntducks]

BS

I did not miss your point your first line tells it all.

"quote"Who is going to see you if you have to cross the fence for a few yards to drag the animal back? If you don't, the animal would be wasted anyway.

Like I said before who cares if it's wasted you should have thought about that before taking a shot next to another mans property that you know you don't have permission or any rights to trespass on, hunters in Ca. start out with anywhere from 1 to 2 strikes agains them, we should all try to paint a different picture not just give another person the right to add strike 3 and then tell 10 more people about this inconsideate hunter or poacher who just jumped over my fench and dragged his game back, by the time it gets to landowner number 3 you cut the fence and walked in a 1mi then next story you drove right thru the fence and loaded the animal up got the picture it's bad enought you just trespassed but storys like this always get blowen out of shape, there is no excuse for braking the law that simple if you want to rob a 7/11 that's fine you have no reflection on me but when you do it as a hunter you do.

Coondog you can't compaire your area to this one it's like compairing apples to rocks, I can tell you one thing Ca may heve it's faults but we don't have to pay for our hunting here unless we want to, there is still plenty of public land to hunt on.

 

[Coondog]

I guess it is apples to rocks, you can have ALL of that public land you want... Dont down hunting on private land just because you can't find a place, cannot afford one or just dont like hunting on private land for some reason. I doubt there is a person on here who would take public land over private if the price and the location were right. We get to manage our place like we want to, hunt whenever we want to and never have to worry about anybody else being out there when I get there... All of this for around $1000/yr and about 1.5 hrs. drive time... I'll take that any day over public land....

 

[tony270]

Originally posted by huntducks@Mar 26 2004, 10:34 AM
Leechul, tony270, bayedsolid.

You 3 dudes aint going to like what I have to say but someone needs to tell you, guys like you are the reason it's hard to get permission to access PP your the ones a farmer or rancher always talk about, like this guy just jumped over my fence and walked right through or he walked right into MY PLACE and dragged his dead pig or deer out what ever, nothing would pi$$ me off more then to have some yahoo trespass across my property, you 3 represent what I call the typical Kalifornia hunter you don't give a damn about others just yourself, but damn you make it hard for us the legal hunter to fallow.

I'll bet all 3 of you put together aint killed a handfull of game and just looking at your replys your so damn game hungry it has blinded you to what is right and wrong and it's flat wrong to trespess on another man's property I don't care how you try to justify it.

Now go ahead a fire back

and tell me how ethical you are when you have broken rule #1 DON'T TRESPASS.

Hey Dipp, j/k.
In my 48 years I have hunted mainly on Public Land. Over the years I have bagged my share of game, small and large, predators and varmints. Most of time I have to venture out very far to get to the good hunting grounds. I’m not going to get in a urine contest with you, so I’ll say the following.

If the game was within eye shot I would get it and I wouldn’t leave any sign that I was there.

Now if the property is posted per the Law, which in most cases it isn’t, I would think twice, the same if it was patrolled. It all depends on the situation. You know the old cliché “If you cant do the time, don’t do the crime”. I’m kind of a Maverick type of guy, and I think that’s only a trespass charge. You can’t legally shoot someone for range trespass, and you should be very careful on brandishing a weapon for that offence too. Best to get the vehicle license plate number and start the process. I’m not the
goodie-two- shoe type as you can see.

Yeah, that is a nice Hog. I think I would hop the fence for that.

 

[bayedsolid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Like I said before who cares if it's wasted you should have thought about that before taking a shot next to another mans property[/b]

WHO CARES IF IT'S WASTED????!!!!!! And you're the one upset over the ethical issue? Even after I sat back up, after falling over from reading that one, I still can't find the words to respond to it.

Second of all, not one single person was ever talking about shooting something on the other side of the fence. This was all about recovering game shot on the legal side of the fence and then it crossed and died. Are you furious over the kid that took 3 steps onto your yard yesterday and got his baseball that landed 6 feet from the curb while you were out? Oh, you hadn't given it a second's thought because you didn't even know it happened huh? I guess the neighborhood game should have just shut down and all the kids go home until they could get permission to take 3 steps off the sidewalk. Do you comb the edges of your yard everyday for DNA evidence that someone might have crossed your property line? Ranchers don't either. Not getting the ball would be ridiculous and it's not even in the same catagory as letting an animal go to waste. You know, ranches don't just run themselves so that ranchers have nothing better to do than walk miles of fenceline everyday in the hopes that once in their lifetime they might find a 30 ft drag mark to get irate over, and blow the story out of proportion to everyone they know. There wasn't one spot in this thread where anyone talked about leaving a hundred yard, bloody drag mark down to the ranch road where a gut pile now lays. When someone is talking about tearing fences down, running through gates, shooting cattle, ect... and saying it's okay, go ahead and get all riled up. But over this, you need to relax, because it's not the same as "robbing a 7-11".

 

[Freedivr2]

Originally posted by bayedsolid@Mar 30 2004, 02:58 PM
This was all about recovering game shot on the legal side of the fence and then it crossed and died. Are you furious over the kid that took 3 steps onto your yard yesterday and got his baseball that landed 6 feet from the curb while you were out? Oh, you hadn't given it a second's thought because you didn't even know it happened huh? I guess the neighborhood game should have just shut down and all the kids go home until they could get permission to take 3 steps off the sidewalk. Do you comb the edges of your yard everyday for DNA evidence that someone might have crossed your property line? Ranchers don't either. Not getting the ball would be ridiculous and it's not even in the same catagory as letting an animal go to waste.

I think bayedsolid hit the nail on the head. I've been reading these posts without getting into the fray, but it's down and out just as innocent as a kid losing a ball over a fence. Anybody who makes a big deal about your recovering game shot elsewhere is just a big ol fatty.......

To me the answer is really a simple judgement call. If the land is obviously posted no tresspassing, then for sure go to the front door and ask permission to go get your game. Otherwise, go recover your game and get out of there quickly and of course if you're called on it, apologize profusely and use the "kid recovering his ball" analogy as a last resort.............

 

[F350]

I'd have to agree that this comes down to judgment.
Some of us make better judgment calls than others and I always hope to hunt with people who exercise the good. There have been a couple of times where I've been exposed to a knuckle head or two but I chalk it up to quick education. And yes, I have crossed the fence to retrieve. I was lucky and was never confronted but I have enough common sense to know that 3 strands of barbed wire do not translate to "Come on over".

But let's face it, if the owner of the ranch you're hunting says his neighbor is against hunting or that he doesn't want you on his land then, dang it....stay off!

You don't provoke the guy by arguing about signs and posting, it's his land. Where is the harm in asking before hand or even after the fact? Why make hunters look like renegades who don't respect another man's home.

Like it or not, the actions of a few will always affect the many.

"Nuff Said"