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DirtyDave
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I shoot a mossberg 500 12ga with a 24" rifled barrel and a scope. I love it. Though I have yet to fire a shot at a deer/pig with it. There is not much of a selection of lead-free slugs out there for 12ga and even less for 20ga. I shoot the Win XP3 300gr Sabots. There is also the Rem Solid 1oz copper sabots.
I would suggest finding a used Mossberg 500 or Rem 870 and getting the slug barrel with or without the scope.
Mossberg Replacement Shotgun Barrels : Cabela's
Winchester Supreme XP3 Sabot Slugs : Cabela's
Cabela's -- Remington® Premier® Copper Solid™ Sabot Slugs
I would suggest finding a used Mossberg 500 or Rem 870 and getting the slug barrel with or without the scope.
Mossberg Replacement Shotgun Barrels : Cabela's
Winchester Supreme XP3 Sabot Slugs : Cabela's
Cabela's -- Remington® Premier® Copper Solid™ Sabot Slugs
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copper and rates of twist
Myfriends 410 you guys have been chewing on this stuff for years. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/traditional-muzzleloaders/176982-non-lead-ammo.html
I have confirmation from the factory. They checked my serial # and the rate is 1 in 48...
I am still waiting on the reply from thr factory about shooting copper... I know a sand cast forge that may be able to make a mold for me for copper rounds or bullets but will that get stuck in the barrel because it's not as soft as lead and create a pressure issue?
Who wants to volunteer to shoot one of these? Any takers?
Myfriends 410 you guys have been chewing on this stuff for years. http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/traditional-muzzleloaders/176982-non-lead-ammo.html
I have confirmation from the factory. They checked my serial # and the rate is 1 in 48...
I am still waiting on the reply from thr factory about shooting copper... I know a sand cast forge that may be able to make a mold for me for copper rounds or bullets but will that get stuck in the barrel because it's not as soft as lead and create a pressure issue?
Who wants to volunteer to shoot one of these? Any takers?
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called Barnes and they said that they have not gotten any stability with their 54 cal Mz expander copper sabot and an older 1 in48" twist to be able to stabalize it well the bullet is just too long... They suggest I try and find steel ball bearins and a patch...
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Powerbelt bullets, while not 100% copper, are copper clad and work very well in muzzleloaders. They rely on a plastic insert at the base to create the seal rather than the body of the bullet itself. A similar setup with a 100% copper slug would be the way to go. You don't lose any projectile size to a sabot.
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The Barnes still uses a sabot (diameter for a .54 cal is .50) so you lose some mass which they make up for by increasing the length. Don't Know that a solid copper Powerbelt would perform any better, but if length is an issue, they could keep the bullet slightly shorter with the larger diameter.
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Wow. The thought of doing that is...terrifying. I can't believe a manufacturer would suggest that. I'd be reluctant to do that unless a whole lot of studies went into that. Imagine the pressure build-up, damage to rifling...
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Powerbelts engrave on the rifling. A solid copper version would not work: pressures would be too high.
Powerbelts are also designed to shoot in a CVA and a sabot will work WAY better in a T/C inline.
Shooting a ball bearing would probably violate California game laws: no non-expanding projectiles are allowed for big game.
If someone wants to work on a non-toxic muzzleloader projectile for the older trad guns, the way to go would be in the range of Indium/Tin or Bizmuth/Tin or something similar. Way expensive though, at least with Indium.
If you intend to use them in the Condor Protection Zone
your copper bullets or round balls would need to be certified & listed on
DFG's Certified Nonlead Ammunition list.
DFG - Hunting - Certified Nonlead Ammunition Information
In order to do that you must submit one of these.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/condor/nonlead/docs/NonLeadApp.pdf
You can't just make a copper bullet and be legal.
DK
