thank you spec for the info, i aprecitate it. i definalty did not mean a waste of time on the negative side just i did read your story of it being your third year trying as a experinced hunter. with me being a deffinate begginer it puts a little hamper on ones high hopes of success that makes a hunt so fun weither you get one or not. i do agrre that with a guide would be the best way to learn some good stuff. i was laughing when i read damatrat had his scope all the way out and couldnt see a wide enought view to scope in. stuf like that i would have never though of, but problay learned at the expense of a missed hog. and that my freinds is what makes all theses forums so interesting and entertaining to read. well good luck on quail opener if any one is going.